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sicklucker
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Breshke
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
As an aside, if town jumps on a townie (nearly inevitable in Day 1 lynch) mafia wouldn't need to push after it hard. Their only concern should be protecting their own team. Means the pushers aren't necessarily mafia. To assume they are is to go down a rabbit trail. There was no reason not to push Dick. We can agree on that, I hope. Whether or not there was a better choice is up for debate, so why don't we take a look back and see if we still think those people are scum? That seems far more productive than this. Anyone still thinking Bats looks good for it? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
This is the post I was referring to, to when which SL said you had convinced him. On November 27 2014 05:08 Damdred wrote: Meta cases are weird in the fact that they look Amazing, and really shows effort put in by the person who did it but doesn't take into account changing game play and the way the person is choosing to play the game you are in currently. If you compare Bats earlier games Mission Mafia, Storm, Neat and Tidy, Cell, Titanic. You will see A HUGE disparity in the way he plays. I am always suspicious of batsnacks though because we have such a good history together and I think his scum game and his town game can be similar depending on the amount of time he puts in. Thats just the thing about Meta cases though they can be wrong and can be right This second point isn't right at all, I even quoted myself when I questioned Dicksmash and he never answered me at all. I never said who my scum leans were and Bresh was the only person to inquire which I just now got around to answering part of hat question and of course I can't go extremely in depth like I want on my phone thats just silly reasoning there. | ||
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Damdred
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 27 2014 02:21 kushm4sta wrote: The keyword is DOUBLES. As in he's a good scumlynch as well as plynch. Alaka would be a better pure plynch sure, but Dicksmash has scummy content as well. Dicksmash shows a need to survive. Earlier he came into the thread and tried to give some content. This reasoning is generic bullshit. He's voting batsnacks for 1 fluidity of reads - which is common d1 2 not posting reads or reasoning - which other people have been worse about, plus is not even really true His batsnacks vote is bullshit. On November 27 2014 03:05 Half the Sky wrote: LS, check page 1. DSMI is not in the noob category. You were last game and this game. You cannot compare the two situations. Kush, I went through his filter again, and now your arguments are making a lot more sense. I checked the filter against the sequence of his reads/explanations versus others for the same individuals and there is a lot of bandwagoning. Too much for his own good this late in the day. I'm still not feeling too good about Batsnacks though, ignoring any meta. I would be lying if I said otherwise. ##Unvote ##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock I took what kush said and tested it using the filter against the arguments he presented. It fell in line, which is why I was convinced enough to change the vote. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:38 Half the Sky wrote: Lightning, I voted for DSMI, but did not "actively pursue" the case. Here are the posts in question. I took what kush said and tested it using the filter against the arguments he presented. It fell in line, which is why I was convinced enough to change the vote. It felt like you actively pursue it but at least you gave a good explanation for your vote which was the same reason why I voted for him to be honest. Anyways guys I going to be gone for 3.5 hours as I going somewhere tonight but when I get home I going to read everything after this post. | ||
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Damdred
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:37 Damdred wrote: I'm confused dwhat your talking about in that post i was referring to the meta case on bats which is a meta case while the case i put forward was a case on in game actions. If it's not that post then it's probably this one. On November 27 2014 04:48 Damdred wrote: Sure this is why i'm picking Dicksmash over everyone else today Basically he starts out the game instead of inquiring what SL means and what information he has gathered about the Breske, he immediately colors i as scum and infers something that just isn't true at this point. Hes not gathering information and throwing crap on people. Cool you agree with SL about my line of questioning thats actually OK at this point until, He seems to be siding with SL at first against my barrage of questions hat i'm throwing at SL in pressure, but instead of pressuring me and my motives he shifts his pressure back to SL and finally back to me without actually inquiring about my read of SL is. He stays in the middle and never commits to the read and he never follows up his quesion in fact he dodges the questions posed to him at this point He never revisits this point and never follows up any of his questions early on just leaves them fluttering in the air, it looks like he is doing things but not really doing things at all. Makes excuses and his reads are laregly unsubstantiated Easy to back out of read with oh i jus made a mistake, and he can't quote but he wants to say that he just thinks its bad basically. Doesn't read the thread but has time to directly read bats filter? What is this? He scumreads Sl, he doesn't even call bats scum he just votes him? 10 minutes ago hes barely read any of the thread and hes had time to filter dive someone call someone else scum but doesn't vote the scummy person? Wha? pretty wishy washy post Goes back on his SL is scum read to just say he feels slippery at this point which is odd Then theres this post, not sure what you are doing here but trying to say voting lots is scummy? Overall I think dicksmash is scum. His reads are pretty flimsy and easy to back out of, he has little to no follow up with the questions he asked and dodged several peoples questions. He has only became active now since he is up for lynch today, he throws dirt on people to see what can stick and his scum read on SL went into the ether and he voted on someone he never called scum till later instead of his scum read at that second. This guy is pretty scummy The result of which.... On November 27 2014 05:24 sicklucker wrote: ##un vote ##vote Dicksmash McIroncock Holy shit damdred convinced me. I dont think he could as mafia. I dont like the bats vote. All I'm trying to do here is support that your argument - whatever it was - convinced SL. | ||
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Trfel
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Anyway, voting for Dicksmash definitely isn't a sign of being mafia (and I say that as probably one of the people who was most opposed to the Dicksmash lynch). There are good, logical reasons to vote for him. I just felt that the case on batsnacks was far more solid, and that was why I was opposed to voting for Dicksmash. I'm rather busy now, I'll take a look later tonight. Sorry again if I upset anyone with my earlier post. | ||
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Damdred
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On November 27 2014 08:44 Breshke wrote: Damdred can i ask for your thoughts on my EoD actions. I only ask this because you seemed to agree with SL in the begining that it was scummy but havnt said anything since. SL is correct in that its weird that you would agree with one case and then vote in a totally opposite direction. However it is not scummy in of itself On November 27 2014 06:24 Breshke wrote: I don't know on one hand I like damdreds case on dicksmash it makes sense. But on the other I don't like how easily this bandwagon formed although if i agree with damdreds case then i guess it isn't that weird because then other people obviously would as well. SL i think its strange that when the vote had 5 people in it you didn't seem to think at least one was mafia and that you are already finding reasons to throw scum on people not for their play but for pre flip reasons on dicksmash. I still don't like SL's early trap as it achieved nothing and he didnt seem to make it try and achieve anything. I also dislike bats, yeah you can change votes as much as you want it isn't a big deal but I don't feel like the reasons you changed votes are justified. I also don't liek that you are wasting your vote to basically prove a point. ##Vote: Batsnacks The bolded part makes me a little nervous, Hey guys this guy is wasteing his vote which I don't like so i'm going to waste my vote on Bats. Then you really don't push bats for the rest of the day even though you are here and you could of possibly got people on Batsnacks instead of dick. So no you voting away from a case that you agree with is not scummy, some of your other acions are questionable | ||
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Trfel
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On November 27 2014 08:50 Trfel wrote: I apologize for my earlier post, I just got frustrated with the unfortunate result of the lynch. If Dicksmash had flipped mafia, which was quite likely, I would be looking pretty stupid right now. Anyway, voting for Dicksmash definitely isn't a sign of being mafia (and I say that as probably one of the people who was most opposed to the Dicksmash lynch). There are good, logical reasons to vote for him. I just felt that the case on batsnacks was far more solid, and that was why I was opposed to voting for Dicksmash. I'm rather busy now, I'll take a look later tonight. Sorry again if I upset anyone with my earlier post. To clarify: Voting for Dicksmash doesn't inherently make someone Mafia. However, perhaps the way it was done would. Definitely not a good reason to lynch someone. However, voting for the Dicksmash bandwagon in a suspicious way could definitely be used as evidence against someone (depending on how they did it...). If I try to use a Dicksmash vote as evidence against someone later, I will try to show why the vote adds evidence beyond contributing to a lynch of a townie. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:43 Damdred wrote: I could actually go for a half the sky lynch tomorrow after reading his reasons for voting What about slam? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:31 rsoultin wrote: Because SL says I am and SL thinks his shit don't stink -amused- As an aside, if town jumps on a townie (nearly inevitable in Day 1 lynch) mafia wouldn't need to push after it hard. Their only concern should be protecting their own team. Means the pushers aren't necessarily mafia. To assume they are is to go down a rabbit trail. There was no reason not to push Dick. We can agree on that, I hope. Whether or not there was a better choice is up for debate, so why don't we take a look back and see if we still think those people are scum? That seems far more productive than this. Anyone still thinking Bats looks good for it? Well reasons were brought up for voting Bats to begin with - to simplify we have the voting and what he did with the voting, and second the argument that Trfel used with his behaviour. Using your theory, let's test what you said, and see if we can answer the question - what did bats do when everyone piled on DSMI? Well for starters he left his last vote on Trfel, mainly to prove a point I think, and then he fades out. This is my reference point - kush's initial call on Bats: On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote: I have no idea when EoD is. Dicksmash has got to go. His recent scumreads are really unconvincing and the reasoning he uses is generic and superficial. VOTE DICKSMASH PEOPLE. Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1. Oats, you should know that. And that's what makes me worry about you. Examining the posts where Batsmacks posted AFTER kush made his initial charge: (top of page 23) On November 27 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote: Kush damd bat ultimate team On November 27 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote: I've given more reads than you.  On November 27 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote: What's fishy about it? Why does changing my vote make me mafia? On November 27 2014 01:50 batsnacks wrote: ##unvote ##vote Trfel Look, I changed my vote again. It's really easy. On November 27 2014 02:04 batsnacks wrote: I'm missing how you think me changing my vote is pushing a mafia agenda. On November 27 2014 02:08 batsnacks wrote: Trfel if you're town, how is me voting dicksmash hurting you? On November 27 2014 02:13 batsnacks wrote: We're doomed All those quotes were page 23. He has nothing from page 24 onwards through the lynch. And Bats didn't push DSMI much, did he? | ||
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Damdred
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:52 Damdred wrote: SL is correct in that its weird that you would agree with one case and then vote in a totally opposite direction. However it is not scummy in of itself The bolded part makes me a little nervous, Hey guys this guy is wasteing his vote which I don't like so i'm going to waste my vote on Bats. Then you really don't push bats for the rest of the day even though you are here and you could of possibly got people on Batsnacks instead of dick. So no you voting away from a case that you agree with is not scummy, some of your other acions are questionable Yeah i ddin't try and force the vote to go onto bats because yes i did agree with your case i just didnt like how easily the wagon froemd as i said because there was little to no resistance to it and there was hardly even a counter wagon which i thought might mean that Dick was town. I wasn't going to push this thought though because his partners might have just been leaving him out to dry. Are you telling me you like bats? I didn't like bats and I didn't like Dicksmash, I voted for bats because i liked him less . What else have i done that is questionable? | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
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Damdred
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On November 27 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote: Yeah i ddin't try and force the vote to go onto bats because yes i did agree with your case i just didnt like how easily the wagon froemd as i said because there was little to no resistance to it and there was hardly even a counter wagon which i thought might mean that Dick was town. I wasn't going to push this thought though because his partners might have just been leaving him out to dry. Are you telling me you like bats? I didn't like bats and I didn't like Dicksmash, I voted for bats because i liked him less . What else have i done that is questionable? Why though? Why wouldn't you want to force what you are feeling or thinking through everyone's thick skulls? EoD is the best time for shenanigans and other things. You say you didn't like Bat and you liked him less than you did dick but you had 0 follow through and that really disturbs me. I don't like bats nor do I dislike him, hes just bats if I can't remember what hes done at the end of d2 I probably will vote him unless something better comes a long. Overall its just how you approached the vote EoD | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Damdred's case on DSIM was bad and he kept justifying his lynch even after DSIM was dead. I would lynch either damdred or Bats tmr. | ||
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