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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 26 2014 23:06 GMT
#608
On November 27 2014 08:03 sicklucker wrote:
Your reads are not completely horrible ls, but theirs no way their all right mafia is not so obvious to vote with each other on day 1. So when you say the scum team is the people who voted him out your just wrong. Some towns lead the charge. Some mafia might have joined in. I think its a bit likely one of kush or dand are mafia. Little chance they both are

True but then again my last game when I got lynched as Cop 1 mafia had their votes on me so it could just be 1 of them on the Doctor lynching.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 26 2014 23:41 GMT
#627
On November 27 2014 08:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Lightning, I voted for DSMI, but did not "actively pursue" the case. Here are the posts in question.

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 02:21 kushm4sta wrote:
On November 27 2014 02:03 Half the Sky wrote:
DSMI voters - I understand the policy vote arguments, and for the most part, I'm okay with that, because he and Alakaslam had about the same post count with minimal substance going into last night. I can accept that argument. The Day 1 argument, okay, I can also give someone that too...however...

I'm looking at his post-page 18 activity and he has been putting out some substance though it could be supported better. He did have a bandwagon bats vote...

...but if you are looking to policy vote ANYONE at this point, you guys should be going after Alakaslam, not DSMI. After page 18, DSMI isn't a policy vote in my book.

On November 27 2014 01:35 kushm4sta wrote:
dicksmash lynch doubles as a plynch. so we will be in a good position even if he's town.

What do I mean? I mean that he is going to be a big unknown all game due to his lack of activity and not giving a fuck. Unlike someone like bats or oats, who can prove themselves town later in the game.


Fair point, but can you (or anyone) distinguish between him and Alakaslam?


The keyword is DOUBLES. As in he's a good scumlynch as well as plynch.
Alaka would be a better pure plynch sure, but Dicksmash has scummy content as well.

Dicksmash shows a need to survive. Earlier he came into the thread and tried to give some content.
On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him
## vote bats

This reasoning is generic bullshit.
He's voting batsnacks for
1 fluidity of reads - which is common d1
2 not posting reads or reasoning - which other people have been worse about, plus is not even really true

His batsnacks vote is bullshit.


Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 03:05 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 27 2014 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I going with kush and say lynch Dicksmash since I think he the better person to lynch due to his very little substance posting as seem in his filter to not helping us so it might be a good indication of him being being scum or a noob town but this was the same I was lynched in my last game and I turned out to be the Town Cop.


LS, check page 1. DSMI is not in the noob category. You were last game and this game. You cannot compare the two situations.

Kush, I went through his filter again, and now your arguments are making a lot more sense. I checked the filter against the sequence of his reads/explanations versus others for the same individuals and there is a lot of bandwagoning. Too much for his own good this late in the day.

I'm still not feeling too good about Batsnacks though, ignoring any meta. I would be lying if I said otherwise.

##Unvote
##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock


I took what kush said and tested it using the filter against the arguments he presented. It fell in line, which is why I was convinced enough to change the vote.

It felt like you actively pursue it but at least you gave a good explanation for your vote which was the same reason why I voted for him to be honest. Anyways guys I going to be gone for 3.5 hours as I going somewhere tonight but when I get home I going to read everything after this post.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 27 2014 03:25 GMT
#678
After reading what everyone said from Oats would rather visit bats grave when his dog needs to take a piss to discussion on who to lynch tomorrow I think our best options is either Damndred or Bats. Bats because he keep changing his votes without a explanation which can be scummy or just bats trolling us like he did early on in the last game I played with him. Damndred because he help start the lynch actively without a good reason and had a baseless defense on his vote.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 27 2014 03:29 GMT
#683
Although I finding it strange for Damndred to defend you batsnacks but his actions seemed shakey so for now I can safely say he is null but slightly leaning mafia. Batsnacks you got any reads on anyone you would like to share at the moment because I want hear your current reads that's all.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 27 2014 03:31 GMT
#690
On November 27 2014 12:29 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 12:25 LightningStrike wrote:
After reading what everyone said from Oats would rather visit bats grave when his dog needs to take a piss to discussion on who to lynch tomorrow I think our best options is either Damndred or Bats. Bats because he keep changing his votes without a explanation which can be scummy or just bats trolling us like he did early on in the last game I played with him. Damndred because he help start the lynch actively without a good reason and had a baseless defense on his vote.


So why did you sheep damdred if you think he started the lynch actively without a good reason?

rsoultin convenced me to be honest with you as I saidf earlier in the thread before I changed my vote I was wanting to sleep since Day 1 reads are normally bad and don't want to risk lynching a power role and he said it's to little of a chance to lynch a power role and assured me it was the best thing to do so that why I changed my vote.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 27 2014 03:33 GMT
#693
On November 27 2014 12:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 12:29 Breshke wrote:
On November 27 2014 12:25 LightningStrike wrote:
After reading what everyone said from Oats would rather visit bats grave when his dog needs to take a piss to discussion on who to lynch tomorrow I think our best options is either Damndred or Bats. Bats because he keep changing his votes without a explanation which can be scummy or just bats trolling us like he did early on in the last game I played with him. Damndred because he help start the lynch actively without a good reason and had a baseless defense on his vote.


So why did you sheep damdred if you think he started the lynch actively without a good reason?

rsoultin convenced me to be honest with you as I said earlier in the thread before I changed my vote I was wanting to sleep since Day 1 reads are normally bad and don't want to risk lynching a power role and he said it's to little of a chance to lynch a power role and assured me it was the best thing to do so that why I changed my vote.

EBWOP fixed some spelling errors.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 27 2014 22:17 GMT
#833
I still a little bit busy with Turkey day so I'm sorry for not posting much in the Night but damn it all we lost both our power roles T_T
We need a miracle to win this game now :|
I will do a new read once Turkey Day is complete as I still got my cousin and his wife and son at my house atm.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 03:56 GMT
#916
Okay since now that my cousin and his wife and son have left I can finally give you guys my current reads for the time being.
Breshke: Town since he displaying the same kind of approach for today as he did in my last game when he was town.

Batsnacks: Null leaning town since he is acting close to the same way he did last game with me when he was a doctor but he been dodging questions from Oatsmaster and Half the Sky.

Damndred: Null leaning town since he was one of the major pushers for the lynching of DSIM without much of a good reason and been defending Batsnacks actions but at the same time he been giving losts of questions although DSIM didn't respond well to the questions.

Half the Sky: Town since he been giving good reasonings for his reads throughout the game although I don't like his case for Batsnacks being scum based on my own experience playing with Batsnacks in my last game.

sicklucker: Town because his posting style had pretty much stayed the same from the last game I played with him although he did looked very scummy in that game but he was just a Vanilla town and since our power roles had been lynched/killed I having a safe bet that sicklucker is town.

meatpudding: Null leaning town he had some decent questions after being gone for a while and now he claiming to have no power at his house it could be a scum move because one of the scums in my last game tried to pull that move but failed so perhaps meatpudding could scum.

alakaslam: null leaning scum since he not posted much of his reads but he also admitted to notread much of the thread during the time of us lynching DSIM but I need to see more posts of his though since he said he had to go earlier in the thread to confirm my suspicions.

Oatsmasters: Town since he been asking lots of questions to everyone and been trying to lead the discussion when he can which isn't a trait a scum member would do.

kushm4sta: Null leaning scum since he not been contributing a lot like his last scum game which was my last although he did give a couple questions to people he also didn't post much so I need to wait for him to post more so I can get a better read on him

rsoultin: Null leaning town since he trying to ask some questions and responding to questions he been asked by others although he did convence me to lynch DSIM that is haunting me because of my last game experience :|
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 03:59 GMT
#919
EBWOP
On November 28 2014 12:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay since now that my cousin and his wife and son have left I can finally give you guys my current reads for the time being.

Breshke: Town since he displaying the same kind of approach for today as he did in my last game when he was town.

Batsnacks: Null leaning town since he is acting close to the same way he did last game with me when he was a doctor but he been dodging questions from Oatsmaster and Half the Sky.

Damndred: Null leaning town since he was one of the major pushers for the lynching of DSIM without much of a good reason and been defending Batsnacks actions but at the same time he been giving losts of questions although DSIM didn't respond well to the questions.

Half the Sky: Town since he been giving good reasonings for his reads throughout the game although I don't like his case for Batsnacks being scum based on my own experience playing with Batsnacks in my last game.

sicklucker: Town because his posting style had pretty much stayed the same from the last game I played with him although he did looked very scummy in that game but he was just a Vanilla town and since our power roles had been lynched/killed I having a safe bet that sicklucker is town.

meatpudding: Null leaning town he had some decent questions after being gone for a while and now he claiming to have no power at his house it could be a scum move because one of the scums in my last game tried to pull that move but failed so perhaps meatpudding could scum.

alakaslam: null leaning scum since he not posted much of his reads but he also admitted to not read much of the thread during the time of us lynching DSIM but I need to see more posts of his though since he said he had to go earlier in the thread to confirm my suspicions.

Oatsmasters: Town since he been asking lots of questions to everyone and been trying to lead the discussion when he can which isn't a trait a scum member would do.

kushm4sta: Null leaning scum since he not been contributing a lot like his last scum game which was my last although he did give a couple questions to people he also didn't post much so I need to wait for him to post more so I can get a better read on him

rsoultin: Null leaning town since he trying to ask some questions and responding to questions he been asked by others although he did convence me to lynch DSIM that is haunting me because of my last game experience :|

Fixed up a format error I overlooked to make it easier for people to read and had to fix up a grammar error too.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 04:01 GMT
#920
On November 28 2014 12:59 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 12:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay since now that my cousin and his wife and son have left I can finally give you guys my current reads for the time being.
Breshke: Town since he displaying the same kind of approach for today as he did in my last game when he was town.

Batsnacks: Null leaning town since he is acting close to the same way he did last game with me when he was a doctor but he been dodging questions from Oatsmaster and Half the Sky.

Damndred: Null leaning town since he was one of the major pushers for the lynching of DSIM without much of a good reason and been defending Batsnacks actions but at the same time he been giving losts of questions although DSIM didn't respond well to the questions.

Half the Sky: Town since he been giving good reasonings for his reads throughout the game although I don't like his case for Batsnacks being scum based on my own experience playing with Batsnacks in my last game.

sicklucker: Town because his posting style had pretty much stayed the same from the last game I played with him although he did looked very scummy in that game but he was just a Vanilla town and since our power roles had been lynched/killed I having a safe bet that sicklucker is town.

meatpudding: Null leaning town he had some decent questions after being gone for a while and now he claiming to have no power at his house it could be a scum move because one of the scums in my last game tried to pull that move but failed so perhaps meatpudding could scum.

alakaslam: null leaning scum since he not posted much of his reads but he also admitted to notread much of the thread during the time of us lynching DSIM but I need to see more posts of his though since he said he had to go earlier in the thread to confirm my suspicions.

Oatsmasters: Town since he been asking lots of questions to everyone and been trying to lead the discussion when he can which isn't a trait a scum member would do.

kushm4sta: Null leaning scum since he not been contributing a lot like his last scum game which was my last although he did give a couple questions to people he also didn't post much so I need to wait for him to post more so I can get a better read on him

rsoultin: Null leaning town since he trying to ask some questions and responding to questions he been asked by others although he did convence me to lynch DSIM that is haunting me because of my last game experience :|


You can' honestly believe the bolded portion can you?

I said one of them since I had reread the stuff about DSIM and it looked it was you who pushed for it the hardest.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 04:04 GMT
#923
I don't know to tell you the truth because I way to inexperience to tell apart what is really scummy posts and what's not but if I had to guess it could be meatpudding and rsoultin.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 04:08 GMT
#924
On November 28 2014 13:01 Damdred wrote:
Did you read my whole case on Dicksmash? Can you still say I didn't have a reason?

It wasn't exactly good reason since I felt like Dicksmash was new and so he just acted what many people considered scummy but I posted the same way my last game and got lynched when I was a Cop although I did defend myself a little better by role claiming. I guess shit happens in a noob game :|
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 04:09 GMT
#926
On November 28 2014 13:08 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 13:04 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't know to tell you the truth because I way to inexperience to tell apart what is really scummy posts and what's not but if I had to guess it could be meatpudding and rsoultin.


So your scum is Meatpudding, rsoultin, Kush and Slam?

It's 3 of those 4 since there is only 3 scum in this setup.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 04:19 GMT
#931
On November 28 2014 13:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Although a completely pointless list post is kinda making me feel weird.

Earlier in the thread I said when my cousin and his wife and son left as indicated in this post
On November 28 2014 07:17 LightningStrike wrote:
I still a little bit busy with Turkey day so I'm sorry for not posting much in the Night but damn it all we lost both our power roles T_T
We need a miracle to win this game now :|
I will do a new read once Turkey Day is complete as I still got my cousin and his wife and son at my house atm.

I still trying to go with the veterans of TL Mafia as they have better scum reading than I do.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 13:36 GMT
#1005
I just woke up after going to bed after my last post and I asked who my top 3 scum are and here is mine that are here
meatpudding
kushm4sta
Alakaslam
@rsoultin The only wagon at the time was Dicksmash McIroncock and other cases that wasn't well put out and few people who I felt was townie voted for Dicksmash McIroncock so sorry if I put it all on you but it was mainly your push to get me to vote kind of forced my hand :|
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 14:30 GMT
#1007
On November 28 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why did you use the phrase, forced your hand?
That seems interesting.

I didn't have any good case at the time of the lynching of the Doctor and and since he told me to vote I was going to vote who I felt were townies in my opinion that's all I don't other phrases I could of used but I felt that phrase was the most appropriate for how I felt at the time.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 17:43 GMT
#1022
On November 29 2014 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
##vote meatpudding

Just get this feeling if we vote bats, he's going to flip town.

Okay, lightning. I'll buy it, because legitimately I was specifically asking you the questions about why you didn't want to lynch Day 1 because it did seem fishy to me. It was part of my first post on the thread, asking people why that made any sense, before I remembered who'd even said it. You may very well have felt pressured to when I started questioning you about it and making the case for lynching day 1 as a policy.

That said...why? I'd outright said I got your explanation. Were you worried I'd start calling you scum if you didn't? Why would that worry you? You don't have a role if you're town. The players in the thread aren't following me (I originally was on slam, and only later switched to dicks). Half the people hear think I'm scummy or at the very least a jerk. Not a pied piper of awesome to mention a name and boom that person is lynched, lol. So what about what I said forced you to change your vote?

Just the pressure of you telling to me vote for a lynch so I did :|
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 19:43 GMT
#1033
On November 29 2014 04:34 rsoultin wrote:
Lightning, man...that just sounds weak. If you weren't convinced and didn't want to, you simply shouldn't have. I wasn't after you with barrels loaded and even if I was...-shrugs- Nothing stopping you from telling me to go screw myself lol. Unless your issue is you think I "pressured" you to do it to get the vote on dicks.

You could have as easily voted for bats and made it a race. There was a case out against him and he had several votes. Never told you who to vote for. xP So I guess I'm just not following you.

I didn't see a case for him at the time to tell you the truth can you link me the original case for him from Day 1 please?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 20:10 GMT
#1039
I thought only 1 person voted for him to be honest sicklucker and now seeing the 2nd vote I in for it.
##vote Meatpudding
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 28 2014 20:14 GMT
#1041
On November 29 2014 04:52 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm becoming highly suspicious of batsnacks.

Looking at batsnacks' posts this game, it does seem like he hasn't contributed many reads or constructive comments at all. He has pressure voted kushm4sta, and tried to convince other people to vote for kushm4sta, as shown:

On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote:
I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now.


Then Oatsmaster starts hinting that he might be mafia, and he responds as follows:

On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
He has bad posts regarding a read ohf HTS, his policy lynch on kush is really bad and he is using that to avoid playing the game and doing actual useful things.


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

He just starts attacking Oatsmaster, without actually providing any argument against the accsusations.

It's been nearly 24 hours and I cannot find any critical thinking or logical reads from batsnacks. He has been only minimally probing for information, as well.

Now, examining batsnacks' mafia history, it seems to show similar, non-accusatory play as mafia, but an ability to logically provide arguments against people as town.

In Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2, his most recent mafia game, batsnacks was a mafia vanilla. His posts generally seem to lack content, for example this:
On October 23 2014 16:57 batsnacks wrote:
On October 23 2014 16:50 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2014 14:24 Alakaslam wrote:


Fite me

You know it is time

Exact same amount of letter swapping sson


I only had to swap 2 letters, the A and the I. You have to swap 3, the N, O, and W. Plus you have an extra letter that doesn't even belong there.

Looks like I'm right about you. You're clearly reaching here.

batsnacks did give some analysis in saying that robik seemed to be town in that game, which ended up being correct. But he failed to provide specifics or any real evidence of this:

On October 24 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote:
I think robik looks pretty solid. I like how he's posting; he's focused, not all caps, consolidated, no personal dramas, that stuff is what reminds me of hard to get along with robik. @DrParnassus what about robik this game seem hard to cooperate with? Could you quote an example? You did say -everything about the way he's playing- reminds you of that.

He also defends Liam from an accusation. Up to now, the only two real things he's said are claiming these two people to be town. At this point he is accused of being mafia, and this is his defense:
On October 24 2014 21:41 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm not a good lynch right now. For obvious reasons.

He continues to not provide any true defense or explanation for his actions, and ends up being lynched on the first day.

In his mafia game before that, Fantasy Football (FFL) Mini, batsnacks is a town vanilla.

On October 06 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote:
On October 06 2014 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 06 2014 23:26 batsnacks wrote:
Oats if you are in fact "contributing" shouldn't you be thanking me? I did enable these "contributions" of yours. I feel like you're annoyed with me for allowing you to contribute.

Or are you annoyed with being in the spotlight this early?

You dont get to claim credit for something that happened accidentally.

What are your reads, mainly holyflare and me?


I agreed with HF a lot last game and he was town. I'm agreeing with him this game already so, tentatively town.

I'm voting you because I think you're scummy.

Also lol at "accidentally"

You claimed on accident now?

batsnacks accuses Oatsmaster of being mafia in this game (which ends up being incorrect). But when he defends someone as being town, he provides some support for this claim, and also shares his views a bit.

On October 07 2014 08:07 batsnacks wrote:
Wait a minute, something isn't right. I quoted all of the following from the same post.

On October 07 2014 02:35 Blazinghand wrote:
...there's roughly speaking 13 players, right? If 3 are scum, then that gives us a solid 22% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG.


No townie in this game knows the ratio of town to mafia, so it is correct here that BH gives us an example ratio of 10/3 or 22% as an example.

But then later in that post he says this:

On October 07 2014 02:35 Blazinghand wrote:
...the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 22% chance to lynch someone.


BH how do you KNOW there are exactly 3 mafia? I bolded fact because that's a serious word to throw around when you're supposedly working with estimates.

Here's a critical analysis of a post in that game. It doesn't result in anything, but this post has more logic and scum-searching than his play to this point in the current game, as well as his play in the first game I mentioned, where he was mafia.

On October 08 2014 02:24 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
You had one job batsnacks.
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and then HF gave you another one.


Does it make you nervous that I've already figured out you're mafia?

Then he claims Hopeless1der to be mafia, which ends up being correct. I don't see any reasoning listed, though. This post also came after the first 24 hours of the game, unlike all of the other posts quoted here.

I did notice this inconsistency between his post in this game:
On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip.

and this:

On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.

Why the change? Probably just a change in his playstyle, but another explanation is that he is searching for mafia in that game, and has less incentive to do so in this game.

Looking at batsnacks' play in the game preceding the above game, 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er, batsnacks immediately comes up with a comprehensive look at GlowingBear:

On September 26 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
I'm not completely caught up yet but I still think GB is mafiawolf.

On September 25 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Storr is mafia because of this:

This post stinks:

On September 25 2014 09:20 StorrZerg wrote:
(1) i'd lynch fecal for the donkey entrance to the game.

the overly troll attitude fecal has with the caps locks, and insta vote on holy is really throwing off scum vibes. Deff would lynch.


On September 25 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
The fact that nobody was using the voting thread made me think they were joke votes. That's why I didn't use the thread anyway.

Lol I actually like your case holyflare


"yeah right"

Also i don't like the GB entrance to the game

On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


(2)unless im missing a game he just played, last game he was scum. seems odd to lead with a lie.


(1) very has reason to call someone definetely scum. I did that no geript last game. There is nothing alignment indicative in fecal's entrance and that makes storr look bad.

(2) storr was scum with me and I clearly stated on the qt that I wanted to be town. I was mafia for 3 games and I wish I was town on this, which I am. I never lied.

The way he is disliking entrances looks like he is trying to pretend to be an aggressive town.

Also, he gives Haru free town pass for his entrance and also obiwan. None has alignment indicative posts.

On September 25 2014 10:11 StorrZerg wrote:
obi probably town too.


I'm on a phone and I'm too lazy to search for the town pass on Haru now.

storr is my strongest scum read the moment


Here's his case on storr. He says storr is pretending to be aggressive town by disliking entrances. That is a weird thing to say. How can GB tell the difference between someone who is pretending to be aggressive town and someone who actually is aggressive town based on so few posts? Imo he can't and is just making stuff up.

He also scum reads storr for saying someone is "definitely" mafia and says he said the exact same thing as scum last game. Well, look at this:

On September 25 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Naaaah. I'm positive storr is scum.
##Vote: Storr


He did it again this game.

I also think this post is scummy:

On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.

I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work)


Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information?

Lol...

HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me.


Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read.

That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction.

btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.



It can be shallow, but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking. Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk. If you lynch me, you'll be lynching a townie for stupid reasons and you'll soon lose the game as much as you lost our last one


The "at least" in that sentence is really scummy to me. It's a tone thing. It's like he's really saying "I'm mafia but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking." It's also scummy how he says he's the -only- person getting people talking. GB made a case against HF earlier for dropping his case against HaruRH. I'm not a mind reader but I think HF made that case to get people talking. So GB is scum reading HF for trying to get people talking -- while saying he, GB, is the only contributor in the thread.

I also think this post is scummy:

On September 25 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok

Glowningbear's first scum team guess: Haru, HF, Storr

Gonna have dinner and give reasons


GB is referring to himself in the third person here in order to distance himself from his reads that he doesn't actually believe in. How can he be confident he's caught the whole scum team and solved the game? Later when he's drunk he posts this:

On September 25 2014 17:48 GlowingBear wrote:
My dribk senses says JAT is possibly mafia


So now GB has found 4 mafia... HF is mafia for getting people talking with an early case, Haru is mafia for unflipped assosiations, storr is mafia because GB can tell somehow that storr is just pretending to be aggressive town, and JAT is mafia because ???


Speaking of reads, GB is frantic this game about "getting reads." He is addicted to reads and needs an intervention. He wants to convince us so badly that he is trying to get reads that he can not stop saying it:

On September 25 2014 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:
It won't help me getting reads if you use day1 just to charge your solar beam.


On September 25 2014 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Asking about holyflare's case to everyone is my way to get people talking and getting reads from them.


On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Why I think Haru is scum:

He doesn't want to talk much, not letting me getting reads:


On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Why not talking? He should be helping us with reads day1.


On September 25 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm done with the reads. I'm going to get ready for a party.


On September 25 2014 11:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Because I want people talking about people so I can get reads.


On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk.


On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Sorry, I'm guilty of getting people to talk to get my reads instead of immediately attacking both HF and hope.


On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that is good to register and to get reads.


On September 26 2014 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Gut feelings VS actual reads. Actual reads won.


On September 26 2014 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It could be totally wrong but at least I would get people talking more so I can have more reads



He's clearly thinking and investigating the posts, and trying to find the scum. Then he starts thinking that SkyDragon is scum:

On September 26 2014 08:18 batsnacks wrote:
Also this post is really scummy:

On September 26 2014 01:07 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.


"His" is correct. :p

d1 claimers got lynched depending on what they were saying.

- If they claimed to be Town with nothing to back it up, they were seen as suspicious and people would vote to lynch them if their play-style doesn't match.
- Throwing out names on the first day was seen as suspicious.
- Feigning ignorance of a particular role was suspicious unless he weren't very bright in the first place (As one guy did when he asked the Mod in the thread whether getting no pm means that you're a Villager - We straight away knew that he was trying it, lynched him and he turned out to be Mafia)
- Changing votes repeatedly was seen as suspicious.
- Normally active players who become quiet were seen as suspicious.

There's no one answer to fit all situations really. There were also power roles so someone may have been saying something considered "weird" because they were the Seer, Doctor, Vigi or some other good role (And the last thing you want to do is get them lynched). There would be some hesitation to vote to lynch anyone on Day 1 but sometimes something is said that just doesn't feel right to several people.


It's a long post filled with info that makes zero conclusions about anything. Perfect mafia post. If I'm not voting GB today I'm voting skydragon.


He continues to press on GlowingBear and SkyDragon. Both end up being town, but batsnacks is showing that he is capable and willing to attempt to find scum and provide logical accusations that other players are scum.

In conclusion, batsnacks seems very suspcious because he has not yet provided any real content, particularly at least one accusation of someone being mafia with an argument behind it. This resembles his play in his last game, where he was mafia, and contrasts with his play in previous games where he was town. What do you guys think?


^ This all came from Trfel. Based on bats' play in previous games vice this one.

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On November 27 2014 07:31 Breshke wrote:
On November 27 2014 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Final Vote Count

batsnacks (2): Oatsmaster, Trfel, Breshke
Dicksmash Mcironcock (6): kushm4sta, Damdred, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, SickLucker, rsoultin, Alakaslam
sicklucker (1): meatpudding
Trfel (1): batsnacks


Not Voting (1): Dicksmash McIroncock


Currently, Dicksmash Mcironcock is set to be lynched.


Landslide you say? Okay if dicksmash wasnt totally uninterested in winning this game he would probably be voting for bats HIS SCUMREAD. so that leaves the votes at 4 to 6. That means it only takes one person to change their mines for it to be 5-5 with the vote being pushed over by afk slam. I'm really starting to not care what you think sick lucker i voted where i thought I should


^ Final vote count. If you'd chosen to go with batsnacks it would have been 5:4...and I do believe you voted before slam did (though that's based off memory) so long story short there was nothing inevitable about dicks being lynched Day 1 to say that my saying you should vote was paramount to forcing a lynch on dicks. -shrugs-

Wow how did I miss this big post from Tfrel o.o Although looking at the case now from Tfrel it does seem decent I got to say if we get meatpudding lynched today then we should look at bats case tomorrow and see if it's good.
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