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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 24 2014 17:08 GMT
#1841
On November 25 2014 02:04 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn how do you feel about templar and gb being a scum team? Is this like a set thing for you or do you think theirs a chance one is town.

I think they are both scum.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 17:18 GMT
#1842
You're gonna lose the game Rayn.
You can call me terrible as much as you want, you're losing the grasp you had on how to play this game.

I'm not using the too scum to he scum. This is not a trick. These are genuine thoughts.

I'm the only one pointing odd things and trying to understand them. You're playing very poorly for not noticing that.

You locking on me is scummy. You don't have a single idea how to townread someone anymore. The only thing that saves you from not being scumread is the mod confirmed status.
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 24 2014 17:18 GMT
#1843
Alright if you switch to templar I will as well then. His "trap" was really bad as ive already posted and I dont think it was really a trap (already voting gb)
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 17:22 GMT
#1844
On November 25 2014 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 00:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is an idiot if he rhinks me and ve would do something this stupid as scum because if i am scum it means ve is scum aswell.
So in case that's the case and there is a vigi ve is auto-lynched. In case there is a doctor who didn't doc me BOTH of me and ve are auto-lynched.

RIGHT GB!!! SUCH GREAT SCUMPLAY ROFL!
That dude is telling the confirmed townies are mafia. ROfl. Again. ROFL!!!

Whoa whoa whoa....how does your claim in any way affect mine?

It actually diesn't.
I just derped because i happen to know mafia used the luger pistol and wrote the post that in mind.

Anyways let's kill GB. He actually implied the same thing i did when we had claimed.
Well Templar just did that aswell lol.

Idk i am not voting anyone other than gb or templar today.
If gb is town he really doesn't have any clue what mafia does and whatnot because he is suggesting insane shit. Also his votinggistiry and reads are terible and the way he contributed with me and hf on n1 makes bo sense from town pov. It's way more likely he was just agreeing with us because then he would shoot us.


Do you really believe this shit? Do you really believe it's certainly scum that I was agreeing with you guys because I was gonna shoot you at night?

Do you really believe this is alignment indicative, Rayn?????

Look at your case on me:
(A) Glowingbear voted for an afk instead of his OTHER scumread
(B) Glowingbear agreed with me.

AWESOME. BEST CASE 2014 GG
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 24 2014 17:58 GMT
#1845
I like a templar or SL lynch today honesly not so much a GB lynch though.

SL (I wrote a case on him before even if ritoky says its not strong) it still stands.

Templar is an equally good lynch.

Starting on n1 templar does some weird things in light of his previous day play.

1) His reads are almost nonexistent by the large, we have a case on SL, a NULL read on Damdred a Null read on GB and a scum read on lian and Slam I believe.

He had a scum read on myself and it vanished after he said I looked somewhat towny in some of my posts even if it took me awhile to get their. He still calls me null at this point but throws a bit of dirt on me in this post

On November 24 2014 23:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.

Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.

Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.


Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?

Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?

Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read him

If you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.

Damdred is a null read, Alakaslam is a town --> null --> slight scum read as I read through his filter.

Damdred's responses to my pressure are towny, although they take a while to get anywhere.
My first problem with him now is his response here.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 11:49 Damdred wrote:
On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.

Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.

Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.


Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?

Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?

Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read him

If you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.


Sorry just got home from work crazy day.

I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos.

Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth.

He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category


So first of all, he doesn't actually answer your question about slam. He also tried to make me look worse than I should look for pressuring him over the night. Let me put something very clearly right now: I was not reading him as a slight pink solely because he was saying I was town, but because he was trying to look like he was contributing without providing any substance.

He ridiculed my pressure of him in its aftermath which is extremely confusing, acting as if I should have never tried. So, I read him null at the time as these two conflict quite a bit.
Also,
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:
Also was just rereading something to see if i remembered correctly, besides SL and his paint Temp hasn't given reads today even though hes asked and dodged a lot today about them. Also his read on SL is just a trap so not sure

Why didn't you go at him again about those reads he was hesitant to share with you before GB?

I already said this was an actual meta-read, and that it didn't exist for the sole purpose of being a trap. I said this multiple times so I don't know why he's mentioning anything else.

Alakaslam:

I don't really know him at all and he's extremely confusing.

That said, his posts towards the end of day one gave me a town vibe as he was active, asking questions to gather current data instead of merely reading the thread to catch up (although it seems he did both). The exception:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Let's kill Liancourt.

Because why not. Someone defense him for to FITE ME because I dont' think he will even defend himself.

Followed by a "You don't want to lynch him? Then who do you want to lynch?" post towards me, followed by switching to lead the lynch on the other lurker. If he was going to lynch a lurker, why did he bother to do anything besides figure out why he should unvote me?

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:21 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?

I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C

Please answer promptly ritoky.


nope, no idea who that is

...

Chezinu...

Anyway so Chezinu does as he does. He plays according to the House of Brown. He is the founder, I visit on occasion.

He sees VERY clearly with the eyes of CHUPAZI, my own vision is about 20:20 left eye, 20:32 right eye. However Chezinu sees with a clarity unsurpassed at 20:10 both eyes.

As scum he is to be feared. He will snipe every blue and guide the RB, allowing the blues to live just long enough that they do not realize they are compromised.

As town he is indecipherable to the scum, suddenly he knows your alignment and you do not know how, but he simply KNOWS. I fear him more when I roll scum than just about anyone on the site.

He is not to be lost Day1.

Also, I'm curious on this post. I have seen no evidence of what Chezinu has been said to be capable of in this thread. All he is doing is posting images of various geometric shapes, save one large list of reads. So unless he "knows" the mafia the above post is just filler.

His day 2 activity is similarly confusing to me. His activity pre-page o' spam mainly consists of talking about the night actions and not actually doing anything about the reads flying around, as he did in day 1.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 15:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Deli rean is actually pretty slow.

You know I find that often, when vets early in the game make a read but it gets ignored and is followed by a mislynch, the read was actually correct.

Having been humbled, and finding all The vets are most likely town, I will vote Templar with my phone paint

In case sent doesn't recognize it

Nice explanation of voting me... wait

Most of his posts that aren't talking about the night actions are "I will consider this" followed by not really doing anything about it, filler, asking for help figuring people out, or stuff I actually can't read like this

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 15:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh! True I haven't given reads...

So I would say Sicklucker and Lian aren't cool, but Lian wants to lynch temp, similar to vets, doubt he would bus after attention fell away. So can't both be scum!

Glowing bro b mah brodda, seems he wouldn't like that; guess he just that HAWT gal in high school dat iz lieks by erry body but h8s ppl, including me

Den vets praktikal konfirm SSON; town actually in a very good place.

I give Chezinu much earlier you should know how I see him

Who is left?

Ah damdred I dunno I DINNAE see him

The thing about the Chezinu read in this post is that we don't know how Alakaslam sees him. We just know that he respects him as a player, nothing he has said about Chezinu is actually alignment-indicative.

I don't know, he seems like he is dodging doing anything helpful that makes sense. His list of reads looks rushed (and I can barely read it) and he hasn't done anything original since day 1 at all except filler. I feel like this heavily depends on his meta but I've already been driven to madness by looking through his filter here.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 23:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hosts can you confirm whether or not a doctor save is informed in case they get shot.

regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner

+1 rayn

Will you still have this opinion if Rayn is basically confirmed as mafia by the host? (Although I seriously doubt that will happen as mafia Rayn probably asked by PM, no?)


What he did over night was not pressure it was start a pissing match over different methods and he spent an hour berating me for town reading him without quotes basically and went on to say my sl case was good. He says I do not answer GB about how i read slam when I literally answered "Hey i don't know how to read slam but this is how others told me to read him"

Either way his sudden shift from scum reading me to town reading me doesn't make a lot of sense and shows little progression in the way hes went about it.

His scum read on lian is pretty much unexplained besides OMGUS I believe, he doesn't give much in the way of thoughts as to why lian is scum besides the initial ok this guy is starting to play horribly at the start of the game.

I think he has a mafia read on Slam currently but i'm not sure as his post lacks conclussions and his push on d2 seems to amount to nothing, slam comes down to his filter drives him mad which isn't a read in itself.

2) During his talk with GB and myself in d2 he said a few times he was hesitant to discuss his reads

On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:

1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.

That's it. Kthxbai

1) Meta, not much else to say
2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that.
3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.


He says it a couple of other times and GB and myself asked him for these reads so the thread could discuss them. But he dodged and never came back to give these reads that he was hesitant to show.

3) Lack of follow through with things he has said before in the thread, he had a scum read on me as previously mentioned going into d2 and has said before that if my play had not picked up d2 he would push for my lynch. Instead of this promised push (admittedly i've been more inactive over the weekend time period) he decides to null read me and barely mention me at all.

His push today on SL is my own scum read and is a meta case in which earlier he said he hated meta cases and then goes onto say that its partially a trap to see if people aren't reading the thread. He says he himself is not reading the thread though, he has unexplained scum reads and his reads on people switch from one extreme to the other without thought being seen in the thread just vague ideas.

This guy is scum vote him with me
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 24 2014 18:01 GMT
#1846
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 18:06 GMT
#1847
Is there anyone besides me not willing to lynch Templar?
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 24 2014 18:07 GMT
#1848
What do you think of my case GB?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 18:12 GMT
#1849
On November 25 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of my case GB?


It's good. I just can see it coming from town perspective also.
Specially number 2. It's like the notes thing on hearthstone.

Meh...

I don't know, I can perfectly see him as scum, but I have this feeling that he may be town for the things I've already said.
Anyway, I want to know if there is anyone besides me townreading Templar.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 18:13 GMT
#1850
I think the best part of your case is number (3).
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 24 2014 18:24 GMT
#1851
On November 25 2014 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of my case GB?


It's good. I just can see it coming from town perspective also.
Specially number 2. It's like the notes thing on hearthstone.

Meh...

I don't know, I can perfectly see him as scum, but I have this feeling that he may be town for the things I've already said.
Anyway, [b]I want to know if there is anyone besides me townreading Templar[b/].


No one is. Thats why it makes no sense for you to defend him as either alignment. If your town all your doing is making yourself look bad which could be two mislynches if your town. Help us find other scum instead.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 19:10 GMT
#1852
On November 25 2014 03:24 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 25 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of my case GB?


It's good. I just can see it coming from town perspective also.
Specially number 2. It's like the notes thing on hearthstone.

Meh...

I don't know, I can perfectly see him as scum, but I have this feeling that he may be town for the things I've already said.
Anyway, [b]I want to know if there is anyone besides me townreading Templar[b/].


No one is. Thats why it makes no sense for you to defend him as either alignment. If your town all your doing is making yourself look bad which could be two mislynches if your town. Help us find other scum instead.


Well, if I am town and I'm having a townread on someone, I need to defend him in order to keep him alive. I don't care for looking bad.

I've already said I want to lynch you, slam or ritoky, with ritoky being my last option.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 19:26 GMT
#1853
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I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 19:32 GMT
#1854
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I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 19:33 GMT
#1855
Oops, wrong image
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 19:33 GMT
#1856
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 19:34 GMT
#1857
Man I'm almost sure slam is mafia...
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 24 2014 19:44 GMT
#1858
On November 24 2014 10:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 10:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 10:03 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp

was your SL case bait?

You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.

And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?

Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration.

No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless


This doesn't make sense.
1) What can you draw from people actually reading?
2) Why is it unfortunately, as it proved someone was reading?

I was trying to figure out who wasn't paying any attention. So, someone actually reading didn't help.

In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, but I was not lying about it, I would have done exactly the same thing without thinking about it except I wouldn't have made that comment.

This post...the bolded bit actually. In this post Templar claims mafia by saying what he would have done as town. Literally the bolded statement should end (in context) with "...if I were town"

Or am I reading it wrong somehow?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 24 2014 19:49 GMT
#1859
On November 24 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, there is another odd thing in Templar.
He used the bait thing to see who was reading the thread but he admits he wasn't reading the thread properly. He missed my townread on him and he missed my vote on slam. The vote on slam is a giant image. Why the guy that isn't reading is trying to bait guys that aren't reading?

Meh.

This is a really good point and one I think you're ignoring GB, why is that? Guy's not reading the thread, so if he's town then he's trying to catch what, other townies? What makes him think "not reading the thread" is a mafia-exclusive trait, so much that he builds a "trap" to catch them doing it, when he isn't reading the thread himself "as town"?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 24 2014 19:50 GMT
#1860
On November 25 2014 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 10:19 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 10:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 10:03 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp

was your SL case bait?

You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.

And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?

Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration.

No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless


This doesn't make sense.
1) What can you draw from people actually reading?
2) Why is it unfortunately, as it proved someone was reading?

I was trying to figure out who wasn't paying any attention. So, someone actually reading didn't help.

In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, but I was not lying about it, I would have done exactly the same thing without thinking about it except I wouldn't have made that comment.

This post...the bolded bit actually. In this post Templar claims mafia by saying what he would have done as town. Literally the bolded statement should end (in context) with "...if I were town"

Or am I reading it wrong somehow?

"If I hadn't thought of it, I would have done exactly the same thing" is the intention
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