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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 23:36 GMT
#1701
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.

So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 23 2014 23:36 GMT
#1702
damdred, temp, are my strong ones.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 23 2014 23:37 GMT
#1703
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this.

I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 23 2014 23:38 GMT
#1704
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


id like to talk about this post.

Tell me how this makes temp town. Reason three is bad because mafia will townread people a good bit of the time yea? Why are you an easy lynch? Why should you town read someone on that?

I think you said in another post that you think actives are mafia, why is this a town tell for temp in this case?

I'm partial to SL being scum but what other read or push has temp done today that causes you to say this?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:42 GMT
#1705
On November 24 2014 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 13:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 22 2014 13:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm back at T-minus 11 and I'm very drunk so I'll just type it out:

Emergency Votecount

KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
sicklucker (3): Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred
TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet
liancourt (1): KillerSOS
Damdred (1): sicklucker

rayn and Damdred still need a pic by the end of Night 1

This is the lynching priority order for clarification


I think there was at least 1 mafia on SOS. HF was wrong and VE is probably actually vig.
I could see ritoky hanging on that counterwagon in case people from killerSoS start switching.
I have lian and rayn as town and they are doing many more things than I so there's a little sheeping here too.
Sicklucker's vote was a throw away vote, not saying that's very alignment indicative but last game when he was a possible lynch target he hopped on the other bandwagon just to not die and he was town. No, he probably wasn't going to get lynched over hopeless or SOS but it feels more like trying to stay away from the wagons to avoid suspicion to me.

Vote logic and sheeping list:
probably mafia:
templar
ritoky

possibly mafia
GB
slam
sicklucker

probably town
lian
rayn
ve

everyone else meh
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this post is like....really bad...like bad bad bad bad; it is a complete and utter sheep outside of his mafia read on me which seems to be "there had to be a mafia on templar and poe means ritoky"? why did no1 comment on this?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 23 2014 23:43 GMT
#1706
On November 24 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.

So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.



This isn't protown GB and you know it martyring never saved town anything and if we lynch you to not debate you tommorow what would we be stuck on then? Temp? Chez? Slam?

Optimum play is to scum hunt defend yourself when necessary and push your lynch so stop it
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:44 GMT
#1707
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 23:47 GMT
#1708
On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this.

I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.


My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has.

What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:47 GMT
#1709
however suggestions are quotes, specific highlighted examples, and easily understandable continuous logic are the basis for deep reads.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 23 2014 23:47 GMT
#1710
Ya you should never let yourself get mislynched in this game. I dont care what people told me in the other game its just stupid. If you know your town, leading people to vote anyone else besides you increases chance to catch scum.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 23:51 GMT
#1711
On November 24 2014 08:38 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


id like to talk about this post.

Tell me how this makes temp town. Reason three is bad because mafia will townread people a good bit of the time yea? Why are you an easy lynch? Why should you town read someone on that?

I think you said in another post that you think actives are mafia, why is this a town tell for temp in this case?

I'm partial to SL being scum but what other read or push has temp done today that causes you to say this?


Damdy, I'm not townreading temp town reads me (he doesn't). I'm town reading him for trying to push another lynch that isn't me. This is not the same as simply calling someone town.

He is the main wagon. I second that because of the hopeless thing. So, I'm and easy lynch for that suspicious vote. He is forcing a more difficult read

Why are you PARTIAL when you made a case on sick lucker?

Do you want to lynch slam?

I think INACTIVES are mafia. You read me wrong.
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 23 2014 23:54 GMT
#1712
Infact this is the same as the case superbia used against me in the final 3 of the other game and it was really bad. You were probably his coach.

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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 23:55 GMT
#1713
On November 24 2014 08:43 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.

So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.



This isn't protown GB and you know it martyring never saved town anything and if we lynch you to not debate you tommorow what would we be stuck on then? Temp? Chez? Slam?

Optimum play is to scum hunt defend yourself when necessary and push your lynch so stop it


Don't get me wrong, I'm putting all my reads into the thread. I'm having a hard time to reason them because of inactivity. Unfortunately, it's most likely a gut read.

But Slam, man. He is just not trying. It's different from any game I've played with him. He would come sometimes to put town in the right direction. He isn't doing this this time. He is just commenting and peacing out. He also is refusing to give information (when I say refusing I'm not saying actively refusing, but ignoring questions, for example), which is something he teaches his coachees.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 23:57 GMT
#1714
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 23 2014 23:58 GMT
#1715
I do want to hear alot more from slam and chez like soon...
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 24 2014 00:00 GMT
#1716
On November 24 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this.

I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.


My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has.

What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits


you know you're re evaluating him for the same reasons as you saw him as scum

and mafia can just as well say someone is town/null so easily and you take that action as him being townie

and he made a "bait" case on SL which is like saying "guys this isn't a real case I just wanted to see if someone would take the bait, don't berate me for having bad logic". WTF is this? And now he has no scum reads. HIjole~

I just can't understand how you can call him scum and then revert back.

It's like you wanted to prove to town that you could call him scum, but was afraid that it might get traction. And later when temp flips scum you can say you read him scum at one point.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 00:02 GMT
#1717
On November 24 2014 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Ya you should never let yourself get mislynched in this game. I dont care what people told me in the other game its just stupid. If you know your town, leading people to vote anyone else besides you increases chance to catch scum.


...
So you're not seeing I'm doing it?
I don't have to defend myself, I have to catch scum. I don't care if you mislynch me.
What I'm trying to say is that maybe mislynching me is not detrimental to town because they will know my reads are genuine and they will have a lot to reevaluate. Also, people won't waste day3 debating that old hopeless discussion.

I've coached Breshke and Serejai. Townies.

Bah. But talking to you is like talking to a wall. You act like you know a lot from the game yet you bring the newbie card a lot.

...

Actually.
That's pretty weird.
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 24 2014 00:04 GMT
#1718
Wait what Serejai said she didnt have a coach and that was evident from her play. I think breske said the same thing. Not super relevant but you could be lying for some reason here
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 24 2014 00:06 GMT
#1719
On November 24 2014 09:00 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this.

I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.


My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has.

What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits


you know you're re evaluating him for the same reasons as you saw him as scum

and mafia can just as well say someone is town/null so easily and you take that action as him being townie

and he made a "bait" case on SL which is like saying "guys this isn't a real case I just wanted to see if someone would take the bait, don't berate me for having bad logic". WTF is this? And now he has no scum reads. HIjole~

I just can't understand how you can call him scum and then revert back.

It's like you wanted to prove to town that you could call him scum, but was afraid that it might get traction. And later when temp flips scum you can say you read him scum at one point.


Do you understand that's a horrible, horrible play to a mafia? To call his partner scum and suddenly flip his read? This draws so much attention it's insane.
So you think I'm able to stop his lynch from getting traction? Do you think I'm acting like I'm trying to save a possible scum partner (nobody knows his alignment yet) or that I'm actually trying to solve the game?

I've already explained damdred that thing you're talking about townreads. It's not the same thing.

I don't understand the bait thing. I thought he was being sarcastic
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 00:08 GMT
#1720
On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.


reads:
VE - town
rayn - still town
lian - maybe town
fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean
damdred - leaning mafia
templar - leaning mafia
GB - mafia

not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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