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Bats and serajai your scum reads today have been based mainly around the vote, who's fault it was and what the vote implicates. A lot of us fucked up yesterday and i think if we had had 5 minutes longer (yes bats i agree 3 minutes isn't long enough) i think the day would have ended very differently. While this was a massive thing that happend i think you are both focusing on it way too much.
Serajai you say you want to lynch immaterial because you think that we will get the most information from his flip compared to other people you are scum reading. Could you give me an explanation of what you mean by this, like what will you get if he flips town/what will you get if he flips mafia.
Bats your only problem with KSC is that he got the cop lynched and that is yes a big deal but go back and look at the rest of his play. Can you show me what else you think he has done that is scummy?
I don't know if immaterial or KSC is scum, im actually lean scum on immaterial and null on KSC waiting for him to come back to the thread and give some insight on his play but there is one thing that is more and more obvious to me and that is that kush is scum
As grack said kush doesn't like to play as mafia. In a previous game he has admitted he can't read town filters so it makes it hard for him to portray town because as town that is the main way he gets reads. Is there any evidence this game that kush has gone back and read someones filter to get a read on them? No infact there is exact the opposite.
On November 05 2014 05:52 kushm4sta wrote:
who was that dude that wwas like I THINK IT MIGHT BE 10/3. we can lynch him right?
On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo. i'd be down for a sentinal lynch as well. can u link me or summarize a case sir?
In both these quotes kush shows that he can not be bothered going back to read the game which is an exact mafia tell of his. He does not care about going back to read peoples filters because he doesn't need to get reads on anyone because he is mafia and has perfect imformation
##Vote: kushm4sta
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Seriously noone has explained this still. lets assume KSC is scum.
He sees LS claim cop to try and get out of a lynch. So as mafia he knows either this is the real cop or a dumb vanilla town trying to save himself. If LS was vanilla town this would be great for KSC he would just sit back and let a shitstorm unleash. KSC then has to think wait this guy could be the real cop. You guys then think that his next action is I better cc this cop so we can lynch him during the day drawing all this attention to myself and probably getting myself lynched tomorrow.
Why would KSC as mafia not just deal with LS during the night no one has given any reason for this.
That being said I have explained why i don't think the cc came from a mafia mindset but KSC i still want to hear what town mindset it comes from.
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On November 06 2014 12:35 sicklucker wrote:
I like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas.
Im completely clueless on kush and their relationship I only read the first 30 pages once threw when I was told id be replacing for this in an hour and he has not said one word since ive been active. Ill have to reread it all slower then before before this day is over.
Also this is a terrible idea you can't jsut choose a lynch order and go down it and only change after "after you hit 2 or 3 towns". Do the math if we misslynch 3 times in a row we lose you need to be reevaluting after every lynch
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Okay i thought you were trying to write kush.
I know it doesnt mean mentioning but then i don't get this.
like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas.
Rereading this actually you did say if not we should but idk i don't like this.
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No my addition to that list isn't the part that i don't like because i get that most of what you had seen was just that vote so i see why you scum read me. I got the feeling that you just wanted to lynch down that list without thinking but yeah i was wrong.
Sicklucker could you read kushes filter (it isnt very long) and then vote him with me. Grack also posted some important things on kushs scum play so that would also be useful for you to read.
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Kelsier are you still around? Can you run me through why you CC'd LS and why you held onto your claim until you did. Basically like a rundown of your thought process through that event. For example there was one stage where you unvoted then revoted LS what was going on there?
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On November 07 2014 06:30 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 14:13 Breshke wrote:Okay i thought you were trying to write kush. I know it doesnt mean mentioning but then i don't get this. like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas. Rereading this actually you did say if not we should but idk i don't like this. Ya ok I just read it thanks for that filter tip I did not know about it before makes things easier. Going into this I was told hes a very helpful town but a horrible mafia. I dont know about all that so i just go on what people I have town reads on tell me but as an unbiased person this is what I think from the little information hes given us. He comes off to me when he actually seems serious as townie to me. He hard defended not lynching the cop to you off all people. Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 05 2014 07:00 Breshke wrote:
How will ls ever prove himself this is the problem he will forever be a question mark it will forever be a massive question mark and willr esult in people having to claim there role early so im happy with voting him now. The claim was bad and i disagree that his play has been towny saying stuff is weird without any other reasoning isn't good enough. i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo. I think your missing this fact he also voted sentinel really fast I highly doubt they are aligned. If sentinels misslynched it makes a little bit of sense to look at him but hes leaning town for me right now and would be a horrible lynch atm.
it is seriously worrying me that kush is leaning town for you.
On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 07:00 Breshke wrote:
How will ls ever prove himself this is the problem he will forever be a question mark it will forever be a massive question mark and willr esult in people having to claim there role early so im happy with voting him now. The claim was bad and i disagree that his play has been towny saying stuff is weird without any other reasoning isn't good enough. i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo.
You quote this ad being one of the reasons kush was town, I would say the exact opposite. If kush is town why wasn't he explaining this to us before we lynched the cop? He was obviously here as this post came just 5 minutes after the lynch and he hasn't said otherwise.
Also you are missing the fact that everyone who didn't vote on immaterial is as much at fault for the cop lynch as the people voting on the cop. The only person i would take off of this list is superbia because i would say his vote was seconds from counting.
Show me a post where Kush is trying to figure out the game show me a post where kush gives an in depth read on someone. Not only is this terrible town play but grack has shown us that this is more likely kush's scum meta
On November 05 2014 13:19 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 13:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
From what everyone says, kush is really bad at playing scum and usually slips up early.
He has been inactive mostly but I have no real read on him. I am just about to leave for home. If I remember I'll dive his filter when I am home. Kush is quite bad at playing scum. He used to only be capable of bussing as scum, so if all of Kush's reads were correct you could tell that he had too much information.
On November 05 2014 13:37 Grackaroni wrote:here are some funny Kush quotes from an old scum qt I remembered from the TL mafia database. (this is an awesome place to go to if you want to study past games of a player in your game!) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-databasekushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-22-2013
02:22 AM ET (US)here is a gift i am going to give to all of you. The gift of a 100% easy and correct way of reading my alignment. I cannot read town filters as scum. I just tried and it's impossible. Too boring! But I do it as my primary scumhunting method as town. kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:57 AM ET (US)please bus me i want my life to end kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:38 AM ET (US)im so sad i got scum. everyone has permission to bus the shit out of me kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-20-2013
10:58 PM ET (US)nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner
The only possibility that kush is town is if he just does not care about this game at all but considering his hype early game i don't see why there would be such a sudden shift in his mood.
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Serajai you earlier asked why people were turning a blind eye to kush. I know you mention him but you don't even consider him for a lynch. Do you think my case on him is bad do you disagree with anything about it?
Also I feel myself agreeing with you on elvis he is currently lean scum for me. My rpoblem here is last game i played with Elvis he was basically tunneled on me for parts of the game where he was alive. I thought his case on me was terrible hence coming to the conclusion that he was mafia. In fact it was just two towns fighting. I am not saying that is whats going on right now but just keep in mind Elvis has done this as town.
Also you seem to read people who have become less active after the cop lynch as mafia. Could you explain to me how this is mafia indicative.
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On November 07 2014 08:14 sicklucker wrote:
Heres another thought I have. If theres alot of towns in the 4 afks we almost certainly lose anyway there gonna vote wrong if they vote at all and we already have elvis whos going to vote very poorly imo. So I think the better rng play is to go after them and pray?
I don't know about this i know right now they are less active but there is still stuff to read them off from the early game. I understand it would be harder for you though as you replaced in after all of it.
On November 07 2014 07:52 Serejai wrote:
I don't think there's really enough posting done by kush to make a case against him, other than "his scum play is bad and he usually afks when scum". I mean, that's a good reason... I'm just saying he isn't posting enough to really have other reasons against him. I think he's scum but I would lynch him for AFKing sooner than I would lynch him for being scum, if that makes sense. It's hard to come up with multiple different cases against him.
As far as reading people who have become less active... not so much. I've been on Elvis all game, and I've been on Immaterial nearly all game. For me, nothing has really changed with either of them. However, for all of the people that thought they were town on Day 1... I'm pointing out that they should reconsider based on how their play, or lack thereof, has changed.
For kush I don't think much has changed for me; his play is consistent(ly bad). For Sentinel, he was very active early game and now he's barely around at all now that people want to vote him. Essentially those four people I listed are all acting scummier today than they were yesterday, to varying degrees. Those are the four people I think we should look at lynching today, and focus our efforts on reading and whatnot.
I don't think anyone could justify kush's play as town to me therefore I really think he should be the lynch today. I am reading you town serajai so I am going to look further into sentinel because im actually reading him town right now but don't remember why I think it was something to do with his speculation about the mafia team lineup and how this would never come from a mafias perspective.
Immaterial not coming back to the thread is worrying but it could also be newbie town seeing that he is in the shiter and not knowing how to get out of it.
Elvis iv'e already talked about and agree should be on the lynch list.
Kush really should be the lynch today, he has done nothing for town other than ping you out early for your fluff post which you specifically said was something that mafia more likely do. This is who I want to lynch today but i'm going to try look into more people as i'm focusing way too much on kush. That being said i still think you should be changing your vote to kush.
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Lol Kush is your biggest townread? How? That isn't even possible. Once again you say he pointed out my vote on the copw as abd but what did he do to stop it before the lynch. His vote also caused the cop to be lynched and could have been easily changed to save the cop so sick lucker explain to me how you were even remotely reading kush town. Also grack never said he had a strong read on kush he was just pointing out kush's meta but meta shouldn't be a foundation for a read as it can be changed.
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On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too"
Why are you pointing this out?
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On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes
Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late
Just want to point this out for you bats but i think his vote was like 75 minutes before deadline and this was still when KSC was a cc. It also feels that he is saying he isn't going to be around until later.
I am also coming around to KSC being scum because he hasn't done anything today. even though there is more people to blame today than just him he was a big part in lynching the cop yesterday so you'd think as a town he would be hunting scum today to try make up for it but so far most of what he has done is just respond to my questions.
I still think Kush is a priority for today though.
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On November 07 2014 09:13 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out? I think it's relevant considering kush is doing nothing.
I don't see what conclusions you can make from it though. Should we not lynch him because he is maybe town doing nothing? I'm not going to leave kush around if he is doing nothing as town, he either starts being town and helping town actually play the game or he gets lynched.
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On November 07 2014 09:20 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out? because you used another quote to put scum on me and this says the opposite could be true. Dont get me wrong kush is on my extended lynch list above you. He has contributed nothing. I just dont think hes leaned one way or another hes null for me after just going through gracks filter who seems to be the only one who had much of a read on him.
Is doing nothing, not giving reads not trying to find mafia more of a town trait or mafia trait?
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I agree with you bats it looks bad but you have to look at it from a newbie players point of view.
People were being scum read because they were just flowing wagons without reasoning (superbia wagon earlier in the day). So he probably didn't want to be scumread by just voting and being like yeah this is a good idea.
Not saying he is town because this can easily be from a mafias point of view.
Bats if you couldn't lynch KSC today who would you be lynching?
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@sicklucker If you could pick the two wagons who would it be?
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Bats which parts of elvises case do you like could you quote them?
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On November 07 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 11:27 Breshke wrote:
Bats which parts of elvises case do you like could you quote them? I like how many words he wrote mostly. That is a lot of words.
I thought so haha. I bet you also saw the part where he thinks KSC is mafia. Do you actually agree with anything else he wrote?
I actually am happy you wrote your case elvis and want to say after my first read this reminds me of our last game which you were town. As for the actual reads I want to actually spend time thinking about it because you obviously spent some time writing it.
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On November 07 2014 11:30 kushm4sta wrote:
wait no let me vote for someone who i actually thought was scummy
##Unvote
##vote [UON]sentinel
Is thismstill your readm from the very start of the game?
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