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On November 06 2014 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Nice was unsure of grak so just read him as town so mafia would shoot him.
same reason i called breshke and Elvis mafia. Was hoping mafia would avoid then. I think breshke and Elvis are my top town.
Two people that could have saved the cop but didn't?
On November 06 2014 07:58 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 07:54 Breshke wrote:
Serajai do you think his play has been scummy or is this based of the split vote alone? Also ehs do you think about the fact that he hasn't posted in over 24 hours. Of course I think his play was scummy; that's why I tried to start a lynch on him yesterday, but Grack was the only person to initially agree with me. The whole "hey guys I didn't read thread but I'll vote to lynch cop and come back with a legit reasoning for it soon" crap he pulled last night, and then never came back to explain why he voted to lynch the cop... it doesn't get much more scum than that. Waiting for him to pop in later with some excuse that his internet died or something. As far as I'm concerned he's guilty until proven innocent, and he needs to have a damn good explanation for his vote last night.
If you were in his situation would you unvote the cop to kill yourself? Like think in the heat of the moment with those few minutes left would you do that? Also i am not actually convinced he was around at EoD. Also I feel like if he was mafia he would have posted at least one time during the night out of respect for his teammates so he doesn't run the risk of getting modkilled.
Don't confuse what I am doing here i think he could very well be scum after reading through his filter his big post here comes off as forced to me but that could also just be a nervous newbie townie. I just think you are rushing into this and not even considering the fact that he very well could be town.
Kush on the other hand is the person i would rather lynch today as i can't justify the way he is playing as being town.
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On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned.
I'd like to point out that everyone who didn't vote for immaterial is at fault even the people voting for a 3rd party. I would also like to point out that kush posted before and after Eod but failed to change his vote of sentinel who he seemed to vote purely based off the early game comments about the players in the scum team and after reading a case ff wrote which he considered for an entire 3 minutes.
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Also look when immaterial placed his vote. At this time in the thread KSC was still a cc, immaterial would not have known that LS was the real cop as either alignment he just seemed to be voting with what town was doing at the time because he wasn't caught up. Serejai i want you to do something for me now that is legit hard to do in my opinion because i never can. I want you to consider immaterial is town, who now is your scum team?
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Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment?
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On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment?
So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page.
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On November 06 2014 09:03 Elvis! wrote:
I agree with bats and Bresh here.
Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop?
He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived.
These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team.
Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial.
Where did you get the impression that I agreed with bats?
I actually believe serejai is really really townie today so i disagree with you on that.
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On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone.
That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are.
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On November 06 2014 09:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone. That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are. Vote me then.
So let me get this straight.
1.You refuse to expand upon your read on KSC
2.You refuse to read anyone else in the game
3. You want me to vote you and not KSC
If you are so sure KSC is mafia it is you duty to convince us. Do you really think stuff like
On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia?
is going to convince people?
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Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.
1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.
2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.
Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above.
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On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.
1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.
2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.
Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above. Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense.
No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now.
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On November 06 2014 09:40 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:39 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.
1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.
2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.
Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above. Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense. No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now. BECAUSE THEY GET AN EXTRA KILL
So you think if we didn't lynch LS we would have killed mafia? Does that mean you think immaterial was mafia?
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I've already explained that even if there is a doc the cop is still useless until we kill the roleblocker
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On November 06 2014 09:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:43 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:40 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:39 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.
1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.
2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.
Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above. Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense. No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now. BECAUSE THEY GET AN EXTRA KILL So you think if we didn't lynch LS we would have killed mafia? Does that mean you think immaterial was mafia? It means if we didn't lynch LS, the uncced cop, that we would have not lynched the cop.
You arn't even trying to understand what im saying. Yeah KSC fucked up he made a sub optimal play.
On November 05 2014 05:21 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help. "town detective" don't claim my role bro
The same play i was going to make. He fucked it up in the end and should have rescinded way earlier but town can making mistakes isn't mafia indicative.
On November 06 2014 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:
I won't be on either, focus on immaterial/Kush when they post tomorrow.
I was pressuring Elvis a lot yesterday but I don't think he's scum anymore.
Superbia/sentinel are both possibilities
Try to look at KSCs play as a whole rather than just the fake claim -I'm pretty sure town fake counter claims more often than scum.
Batsnacks vote doesn't matter too much to me. It's not strange reasoning from Serajai but he could have easily not changed votes at all.
Look at the bolded bit. I agree KSC fucked up and is partly at fault for the cop dying but you arn't evaluating anything else he has done at all and i don't know if you are mafia or town because of this but im leaning mafia
Also i don't see why you refuse to comment on anyone else. If you are so sure KSC is mafia then i think you should be reading immaterial town because would a mafia really put his partner at one vote from being lynched that close to the end of the day.
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On November 06 2014 09:50 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:44 Breshke wrote:
I've already explained that even if there is a doc the cop is still useless until we kill the roleblocker Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 06 2014 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 06 2014 09:39 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.
1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.
2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.
Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above. Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense. No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now. Cuz there's probably a doctor and mafia knows the setup. Er a watcher Watcher watches cop, sees roleblocker.
Ive explained this already so this is the last time.
Mafia know the setup. so they know if it is a doc or watcher
If it was a doctor they just roleblock the cop and use their kill power to hunt the doctor
If it was a doctor they get one of the normal mafia to send in the kill power onto the cop and try hit watcher with the roleblock. even if they dont get the watcher with the roleblock the watcher outs the goon that sent the kill power we lynch him then mafia just kills the watcher at night effectively trading in two PR's for one mafia
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On November 06 2014 09:47 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:44 Breshke wrote:
I've already explained that even if there is a doc the cop is still useless until we kill the roleblocker Yeah but we would still have a confirmed town. And it would have been really great if lightning was confirmed town because his posts were really scummy.
This is true but what im saying is do you think KSC sacrifices himself like this as mafia to stop there being ONE confirmed town who was a newer player who had basically only been sheeping reads.
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On November 06 2014 10:01 batsnacks wrote:
I can't find any town motivation for fake ccing cop until 3 minutes before the day ends, resulting in the real cop dying.
Nothing you can say is going to change this.
If you want reads on someone else, you just need to ask.
So you can't see it as KSC fucking up a play as town but you can see it as KSC fucking up a play as mafia? Before you ask what i mean, ive explained how if KSC was mafia he could have handled this situation better by rescinding as his team would still be able to deal with the cop.
On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone.
I did ask for reads.
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On November 06 2014 10:06 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 10:03 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:47 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:44 Breshke wrote:
I've already explained that even if there is a doc the cop is still useless until we kill the roleblocker Yeah but we would still have a confirmed town. And it would have been really great if lightning was confirmed town because his posts were really scummy. This is true but what im saying is do you think KSC sacrifices himself like this as mafia to stop there being ONE confirmed town who was a newer player who had basically only been sheeping reads. It would appear he sacrificed himself to kill the cop, actually. That is what happened. You really need to understand that if someone claims cop, it's serious. It means they're the cop until they get cced. There is no town motivation for claiming cop to get the real cop lynched.
I had my own reasons why i thought it was a good idea but this is a very good point KSC what were you trying to do when you counterclaimed LS?
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Also why is immaterial scummy?
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On November 06 2014 10:26 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes
Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late 28 hours later and we're still waiting for this justification he had for lynching the cop.
I agree I expect immaterial to come back to the thread and do his best to portray town and hunt scum. I find it weird that he said he would justify his vote because he admitted to not reading the thread meaning he was going to read him scum no matter what.
Serejai do you not think kush is just as bad. He was voting for sentinel with an unjustified vote which also lynched the cop. Yes it wasn't in such a direct way but the end result is still the same.
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On November 06 2014 10:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:41 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 06 2014 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 06 2014 09:39 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.
1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.
2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.
Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above. Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense. No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now. Cuz there's probably a doctor and mafia knows the setup. Er a watcher Hi doc, it was nice knowing you. :/ I dont think that was a slip but THATS SO SCUMMY why would town ever out are doctor incase no one esle noticed
FF isn't a powerrole stop talking about it any scum you try throw on people for this is made redundant as bringing it up again is scummy.
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