On November 04 2014 20:09 Elvis! wrote:
@Grackaroni Sorry I must have missed your question, I thought it was answered with my posts already - so here we go:

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One point what I thought was scummy was exactly what you said.
To be fair, some of this push was to pressure to get him to answer. I couldn't know that he didn't have time to answer / retract the vote, so I thought him not posting again is intentional and strenghening the power if his push. It might still be, mafai can lie about not having time, but atm my leaning scum read is more based on ff's push, since he also did after all retract his vote (which doesn't mean too much, considering noone else is voting on him anymore).

Oh right this post - I'm going to go back to this again.

I feel that your initial scum read on Sentinel was forced and mischaracterized his play.
First your reasoning was that sentinel is scum for being more serious than others about pushing Superbia, which you felt was a bad case.

I showed that Sentinel this wasn't the case. Sentinel wasn't more serious than others and, in fact, made it clear that he would change his vote based on Superbia's future posts.

Your other big point for a scum lean was that Sentinel could be intentionally not removing his vote, thus he was more serious.

Why didn't you suspect Batsnacks for that same reasoning? Bat snacks was more serious than others about voting Superbia at the start of the game (he didn't say any of the things sentinel did about how he would change his vote, and he told KSC to vote Superbia) and he also still had his vote on Superbia when you made your post.

Basically, I don't understand why you felt Sentinel was scummy from the reasoning in your post. That reasoning fit bat snacks better than Sentinel; It seemed to me like a forced scum read to try to get the pressure off of you.

Grackaroni

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November 05 2014 00:34 GMT

#894

I believed LS prior to even learning about a claim because he was eager to share his opinion despite the fact that people were burying him for writing posts that don't make sense. I could see that he was actually trying to give his opinion; it's just that his opinion was always a summary of what somebody else had posted.

I feel Mafia would try to blend more - which is why I think Immaterial would have been a better lynch. I didn't like Immaterial's initial vote and after that he wrote out a long post with no real content in it and disappeared. In that long post Immaterial seemed more interested in showing to everybody that he was thinking about the game (he included all of his thought processes for each of his reads even when they led to no conclusion whatsoever) while LS just said whatever he was thinking at the time.

Grackaroni

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November 05 2014 00:53 GMT

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On November 05 2014 09:45 Elvis! wrote:

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How can you blend in more than posting stuff other people posted?

that was his thought process though. People called him out for his posts and he kept doing the same thing. Just look at the frequency he posted compared to Immaterial. He seemed eager to give his opinion while Immaterial did not.

Grackaroni

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November 05 2014 01:13 GMT

#899

On November 05 2014 00:35 Superbia wrote:
Sentinel:
- Was your agreement to the tunnel a joke?
- If not, why did you agree?

If you wrote your initial posts as a trap why didn't you ask this question before announcing a scum read on Sentinel?

Grackaroni

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November 05 2014 01:25 GMT

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On November 05 2014 05:58 Fecalfeast wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=21#416

On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.

##unvote
##vote sentinal

So there's only a 2 minute difference between when FF"s post was linked and your vote.

Did you actually read the whole thing, including the posts of sentinel that were quoted, or did you just skip to the end and then type out a vote?

I really don't think you bothered to read it.

Grackaroni

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November 05 2014 01:28 GMT

#901

On November 05 2014 06:19 Serejai wrote:

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IS THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM? Please say yes.

This is a townie post. A lot of his posts are quite townie really. Don't lynch this guy.

Grackaroni

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November 05 2014 02:00 GMT

#905

On November 05 2014 10:54 Elvis! wrote:

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is just being WIFOM. You can't know.
Keeping to do the same worthless 3-4 liners is not town behaviour.
You can't be serious and say he tried just because he had many posts, his posts were reposts and short and without any proof and like holy fuck how can you defend that.

Why are you defending him so much?

I can know. I can also tell you other things about him too. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I would estimate that he was probably somewhere around 15-17 years old judging from the grammar in his posts.

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