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[UoN]Sentinel
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I say "random" too. Doesn't stop me from adjusting the numbers to make sure one side has too much power. From my perspective it looked like 3 inexperienced scum would be too town-favored and vice versa. That and my own hosting experience are all I used to make a guess. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 03 2014 10:59 KelsierSC wrote: Ive got like 4 reasons why he is scum fyi State them. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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##Vote: Superbia At least until he comes out and defends himself. If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote: As a note on Superbia: His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet. If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched. Well his trolling is what we're using to call him scum. As far as I care, they're one and the same. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote: @sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread. Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen. Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something? As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that. His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote: Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat) I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FF Null. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote: That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. bresh Null-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote: I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising. Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum? Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia? But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. Grack I like his open-mindedness: On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote: I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. 1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. Elvis Null-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote: Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote: @Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things. Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. So let's look at his returning post: On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote: Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company! The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons: - If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective) - If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day. Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons: - WIFOM - I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear! - Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit" Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it? ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables. That part of itself doesn't actually paint you as town or scum - rather my scum read was not being able to understand a town rationale of offering to tunnel and attracting attention, and then promising not to do it for a while. That seemed like a distraction. Fecalfeast - Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF. We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed. Elvis! - Elvis made sense and seems to have the same viewpoint as I would have on my post. Leaning town. Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. I have no qualms with your reads on Grack and Immaterial at this point. LightningStrike - Leaning mafia. Sheeps the vote for me but doesn't really seem to have a real opinion on the matter. This post screams mafia trying to insert themselves into a push/conversation: Not going to lie the formatting of LS's post is confusing me as to his intentions. From my own perspective I can't tell if this is indicative of LS being newbie town or mafia at this point. Overall, I don't know how to feel about you at this point. I'm definitely satisfied enough to take the pressure vote off: ##Unvote But I can't quite get a good picture with your posting yet. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote: so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 04 2014 05:54 batsnacks wrote: As a side note... You really shouldn't rig your games. That's bad and stuff. Keeps things balanced. I've adjusted all four of the Titanic games. I defer to RNG sometimes, but I shift people around as needed. The 50% chance I do for the Janitor shot is never predetermined by me, though. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote: Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early? We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine. On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote: Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between? Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote: As a note on Superbia: His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet. If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched. On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote: Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote: If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts. On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote: Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 04 2014 11:26 LightningStrike wrote: EBWOP ##Vote Immaterial without a period I just didn't mean to add a period right next to his name. It doesn't matter, it's only for the sake of legibility. We know who you're voting for with or without the period. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On November 04 2014 10:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't know how to feel about Elvis at this point, but I feel a lot of his reasoning on me is jumping to conclusions. And scum and town both do that to a great extent. Who the hell said I had a scum read on Elvis? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 05 2014 00:07 Superbia wrote: So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes? Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment. We were all on a pressure-voting wagon to the extent of my knowledge. I just saw fit to address it as I was dissecting your return post. On November 05 2014 00:35 Superbia wrote: Sentinel: - Was your agreement to the tunnel a joke? - If not, why did you agree? It was a half-joke. The way I saw it, it could go one of two ways. If you accepted, I'd get my goal of attention being focused on me, which is great because a) the only reason I play mafia is to see other people talk about me and b) again, it's a lot easier for me to make reads. If you declined, then I just chalk it up to pre-game fuckery and we go on playing the game discussing... something else. I didn't expect for it to blow up the way it did. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 05 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote: There's so much wrong in jasmine's posts but I can't decide if it's actually scummy or not. Its like jasmine doesn't understand why she's scummy, its making her frustrated, and it's creating bias in her reads. Right but that in itself doesn't make her even more scummy. Just bad town. Or bad null rather. I have to go reread the whole exchange, though. My feelings on her alignment are unclear. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 05 2014 02:46 KelsierSC wrote: sentinal if you had to pick between elvis and sere who would you vote on? Not very sure. See I feel like Serejai is just reacting against people who call her scum, but then when she goes after Elvis, he does the exact same thing. I feel like both of them are picking a person who they have a feeling is scum, and then finding everything scummy about them. And they've got each other in the crosshairs. I'd say Sere looks a little more scummy simply because she's trying to point her finger everywhere she can to try and give the town another potential target that isn't her. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 05 2014 03:33 Serejai wrote: I don't actually think Cricketer12 is mafia but I know I'm town and he's the only person I can throw my vote to at the moment. Who do you think is mafia? Vote for them and make a case. Do you still think Elvis is scum? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On November 05 2014 03:47 batsnacks wrote: I think now is the time to talk about cricket. Do we vote him or take a chance with a modkill/replacement/possibility of him suddenly returning? He didn't vote, so I'd say we shouldn't waste our efforts unless he shows up just to vote or is modkilled eventually. | ||
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