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I got married! Then I got a new job! Then I bought a house! However, I have been practicing mafia in secret. Through my supreme efforts I can now assure you that it will take as many as two hours for everyone to decide I'm scum, rather than merely one! | ||
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##Analyze: GlowingBear | ||
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We have this weird analyze thing going on and nobody seems to care. I think we should Analyze somebody well in advance of the deadline, preferably somebody we think is scummy. I like GlowingBear for that role. | ||
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On October 31 2014 15:03 liancourt wrote: i dont even...whats with everyone and their first posts Hi my name is Seuss AKA Monte. Are we still in joke phase? I like joke phase. | ||
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Like I just pointed out, nobody has even started discussing this yet. Misder is maybe the third(?) person to even try to Analyze. Calling him out for voting a "random dude" is just silly. | ||
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On October 31 2014 15:24 Holyflare wrote: Please don't vote unless you're absolutely certain and don't vote till later. YOU CAN ONLY VOTE ONCE. Missed that. Don't regret my choice at all. | ||
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Lord Tolkien is still joke phase posting. Not much else to say there. | ||
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On October 31 2014 22:47 Holyflare wrote: so you admit that it's at least remotely suspicious and that he drove the discussion forward on this point, why is it scummy then? Emphasis on remote, and emphasis on the opportunism. jrkirby's post was pretty useless and as part of a larger case I'd accept it as a point against him, but on it's own it's the sort of thing I see Town players do all the time when the rest of the game is still joking around. It's an easy pitch to swing at to try and grab some town cred if you're scum. | ||
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On November 01 2014 14:12 liancourt wrote: this is monte regarding his opinion on gb. It's the only content worthy thing in his filter. I can see where he's coming from, but gb has done much more so I'm hoping monte posts if he still thinks of gb this way still. I'm not sure you could have worded this more awkwardly. GlowingBear has been active but pretty neutral on his own. However, jrkirby has been extremely self-conscious since then. Example: On November 01 2014 09:35 jrkirby wrote: Just so everyone knows, this is a vote for RNG, not for GB in particular. Too much focus on what people think of him rather than who is actually scum. In other news I was kind of hoping Damdred would respond to me as I'm not impressed with his contributions thus far. He's saying he has town/scum reads but they're just thrown out there without any context. | ||
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On November 01 2014 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you explain why damdred is scummier than jrkirby I Seuss? Not necessarily scummier, but he's scummy enough for a vote and in my experience votes are a decent incentive to get someone to respond. | ||
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Question to the peanut gallery, what's liancourt's typical meta? He's been working hard to have an opinion on just about everything and everyone today and I'm not sure what to make of it. | ||
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Meanwhile Damdred has been coasting and I'd like to pin him down on the context behind his reads. | ||
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I thought there were more people who had listed him as a scum read, but upon reviewing the thread it appears I was wrong. | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote: uhuh. UHUH. UHUHUH. So why dont you change your vote? Still think we gain more from learning about Damdred than retreading jrkirby right now. | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:04 jrkirby wrote: Am I a complete buffoon here? What is alakaslam's real opinion on RNG? The joke is "TL is so collectively bad at mafia RNG is better at finding scum D1". Unless I'm horribly wrong you're casing him for being sarcastic. Ignoring Alakaslam, do you have another scum read? | ||
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The timing of Damdred's vote-extension is scummy as hell. Almost immediately after GlowingBear began asserting that he'd caught Damdred in a lie, Damdred breadcrumbed his role and shortly thereafter that Follow the Rules happened. This play screams, "Shit I've been caught, better use my power to save myself." I'd expect a Town player to expend far more effort trying to preserve their useful power than just blow it on themselves the moment they get in trouble. On that note I'm suspicious of LordTolkien because of his defense of Damdred. I think there's a pretty good that he's scum if Damdred is. At best LordTolkien is oblivious to the scrutiny Damdred was already under, and at worst he's trying to reframe events to make Damdred's desperate act of self-preservation seem Towny. I'm a little suspicious of Obiwan as well but it would be pretty horrible play for two scum to come out with the same bad/oblivious "what's the scum motivation" defense when there's such an obvious scum motivation. | ||
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On November 03 2014 08:31 Lord Tolkien wrote: ohai, whats the reasoning for your vote You haven't been scumhunting and you put a concerning amount of effort into defending Damdred. I'd prefer Damdred but you're not a bad compromise. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:46 jrkirby wrote: That's something that occurred to me. But if he were scum, there wouldn't be so many people voting for him. Why is circumstance voting for him? With no chatting in thread either. That sounds kinda like scum trying to finish up a lynch on Misder is still a jungle panther (stealthed) keeping his vote on him since forever ago before he really started playing. Kinda scummy. Risk is scummy for other reasons. He's just voting LT because it's the other wagon. The bolded section is a bad argument at best. Ignore the votes, what in LordTolkien's post history is towny? | ||
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On November 03 2014 16:38 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on my list man. I'm going to bed now but he's on my short list of people to filter tomorrow including Oats and Suess. In more serious news I'm still suspicious of Damdred. ObiWanShinobi made some good points about GlowingBear's notes-based case, but LordTolkien piggybacked on that to try to deflect pressure away from Damdred. It's pretty much the only meaningful thing LordTolkien did D1 before he himself came under considerable pressure. | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:07 Damdred wrote: Oh my, well....thats some odd kills, BH just wanted to kill GB not sure what was going on their unless my case on gb convinced the vig to get gb... Either way Obi and Jay you both should claim probably since one of you are going to die. This is a scummy post. | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:12 Damdred wrote: Seuss you think everthing I say is scummy probably and keep pointing to me. Its like you are soft pushing a lynch or trying to on me Let me check off the scumtell boxes here:
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On November 04 2014 13:29 VisceraEyes wrote: So whoever made Suess immune isn't claiming, so I have to assume it's mafia-aligned. And while that doesn't make Suess mafia, it doesn't make him look great so a Damdred vote is less appealing immediately. And risk has been just universally impactless the whole game. I like a risk.nuke lynch just as much as a Damdred lynch tbh. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/py1Gp3g.png) | ||
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On November 04 2014 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess you're claiming that you did it via your role to yourself? Okay, that's not alignment indicative for you then I guess. Just saying the role fishing going on here is pretty ridiculous. | ||
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On November 05 2014 07:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: For a better explanation, I see him asking a lot of good questions and his reads are congruent with the goings-on of the thread. It's simple, but I find it to be effective. That and I don't see scum Damdred coming up with 8 pages like this. Who cares though. I care! I think he's been pretty scummy. Here's why. First this post: On November 01 2014 08:20 Damdred wrote: Sure I'm thinking you could very well be scum right now. I have a town read on hf, oats, jay right now as well as loan. misar is a scum lean When GlowingBear prodded Damdred for reads this is what we got. Essentially, it's an OMGUS + a bunch of random contextless reads. I'm not impressed by anyone's ability to pull names out of a hat, hence why I picked what I considered the most controversial read and asked him for clarification. To his credit he did clarify, and he wouldn't have gotten more notice from me except for how he reacted to GlowingBear's pressure. It's not the "notes" nonsense that caught my attention but the incredibly selfish use of his vote extension. I talked about this before. In addition he was so concerned about GlowingBear leading a train on him he later said this: On November 03 2014 07:15 Damdred wrote: Looking at the votes and the amount of people going afk (GB will jump on the chance) that will give me at least 4 votes and the way votes are looking the easiest path to consolidation is me or Lt. I'm still catching up busy day at work so far will post thoughts in a sec From start to finish Damdred was purely concerned with self-preservation. That's not a pro-Town mindset, not remotely. Following that Damdred deflected off LordTolkien to risk.nuke: On November 03 2014 08:30 Damdred wrote: Why should he claim? We have already been over that role=/=alignment I believe right? I think risk thing about promising to contribute tommorow instead of right now is scummy, if he's been skimming he should know lynch is between me Lt risk so he should be able to give thoughts on the two. On November 03 2014 09:22 Damdred wrote: I don't think we should lynch Lt.. I read his scum game on break...not sure at all risk.nuke is the lynch Finally when LordTolkien flipped scum this is Damdred's sentiment: On November 03 2014 12:17 Damdred wrote: Now that he flipped mafia i feel a bit better but i wish i would of been on him early now.... This isn't a Town mindset. Town doesn't give a damn when they put their vote down on a scum. D2 isn't any better. He opened with NK speculation and role fishing: On November 04 2014 12:07 Damdred wrote: Oh my, well....thats some odd kills, BH just wanted to kill GB not sure what was going on their unless my case on gb convinced the vig to get gb... Either way Obi and Jay you both should claim probably since one of you are going to die. And flung mud at me when I called him on it: On November 04 2014 12:12 Damdred wrote: Seuss you think everthing I say is scummy probably and keep pointing to me. Its like you are soft pushing a lynch or trying to on me Then his shenanigans with the least-useful power ever started. I felt like I was watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail watching him dance around the magic word. Again, I'd expect a Town player to just come out and say what the word was rather than cross their fingers and hope scum found the trap card first. Lastly we can add co-opting the opinions of the dead to his list of scum plays: On November 05 2014 07:55 Damdred wrote: That was a bit underwhelming but thanks obi lol. Though GB said I was town before he died. Anyway risk do something I think Damdred is pretty clearly scum and I would much, much rather we lynch him over risk.nuke today. | ||
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On November 05 2014 09:11 jaybrundage wrote: @Seuss Regarding your Dramdred case: What do you think of his GB case? It was his recent big case. Why did you choose to exclude it from your case? Also I find it odd you say townies don't have a self preservation mind set. A town only knows his alignment. One of a townies biggest job is to prove there own townieness, and by extension not get lynched. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a big GB case, just a lot of "this isn't GB's town meta" prior to LordTolkien's flip. The whole GB thing was pretty OMGUS. A town's biggest job is to hunt scum, and by extension look townie, and by extension not get lynched. There are no awards for being the last town standing in a town loss. Damdred's reaction to coming under a small amount of pressure wasn't to try to hunt scum, push the game forward, or do anything townie, it was to immediately attempt to use his power as a get out of jail free card. That's not the act of someone thinking about what's best for Town, that's someone who's looking out for #1. | ||
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On November 05 2014 10:00 Damdred wrote: Sorta like someone who pardoned themself right? Everyone speculated to a small degree on the nk you only scum read me for it others asked obi and jay to claim I only got scum read You ignore me actually making two cases to push the game forward and GB townreading me at the end By "Everyone" you mean you and jaybrundage. If someone else commented on it I missed it. I don't care that GB read you as town. He's dead, he hasn't seen anything you've done since, he can't comment on how that might or might not have changed his opinion. I'm not impressed by your cases. You were scum reading GlowingBear most of yesterday but a key point of your jrkirby case was how he tried/failed to get a lynch on GlowingBear going. The whole thing reads like someone who has to BS a term paper under pressure because you go right back to calling GlowingBear scum the rest of the day, which again was pretty much entirely 'this isn't his meta'. Your giant jrkirby case was basically a non-factor up until you tried to swing yesterday's lynch away from LordTolkien onto risk.nuke or jrkirby. Pretty darn sure you're scum. | ||
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On November 05 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote: @Seuss could you please give reads/opinion of which of OWS and JayB we should cast into oblivion? I'm pretty split on Oblivion because I think we might be taking out a Town either way. I read ObiWanShinobi's frustration as genuine and when he hasn't been flipping out he's been decent. I think it's a stretch to say that jaybrundage was half-hearted in his position on LordTolkien day 1, and he's been playing towny. But because I have to choose one or the other I'm leaning toward the one who defended my top scum read over the one who voted super early for a known scum. | ||
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On November 05 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote: I mean a lot of your case holds more merit if nuke flips town which i honestly have 0% faith in any read on him which makes you look very iffy imo for making the read that people are switching off of mafia onto risk before he's even flipped. Looks like tmi to me. It's not so much onto risk.nuke specifically as away from LordTolkien (who we know was scum). It's possible risk.nuke is scum but given LordTolkien's preferences as to his alternative that seems less likely than it otherwise might be. | ||
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One thing that's been on my mind is VisceralEyes' assertion during N1 that he was going to be pushing for Damdred today and not sheeping HolyFlare. Despite that and my rather singular attention to Damdred he hasn't commented on that at all today, preferring to focus on Circumstance. I'm curious as to what drove that change of plans. I'll be busy most of the day but I'll be back late this afternoon. Later. | ||
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On November 06 2014 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Well if you're referring to your posts on the matter yesterday, I simply wasn't around the thread. I was playing Mafia All-Stars early on and then went to bed. This is the post best described as the apex, the height of my attempt to push a Damdred lynch. 5 minutes later, you posted this: On November 05 2014 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Holyflare what do you think about Circumcision? Explain please. | ||
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On November 06 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Holyflare is townreading Damdred, and was with me on risk.nuke. From my perspective, it's pointless trying to get a lynch Holyflare does NOT want, so I was considering alternative lynches that Holyflare MIGHT want. Why is Suess good Holyflare? I'm town, if you think he's town then he's just interrogating another townie. Unless you are mafia and you're enjoying the show... I have no problem with you asking HolyFlare a question. I have severe problems with you saying you weren't around when you were, and using HolyFlare as an excuse for ignoring your own top scum read. HolyFlare is not the be all and end all of the game, why is his disagreement enough to dissuade you from even trying? | ||
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On November 06 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Holyflare is townreading Damdred, and was with me on risk.nuke. From my perspective, it's pointless trying to get a lynch Holyflare does NOT want, so I was considering alternative lynches that Holyflare MIGHT want. Why is Suess good Holyflare? I'm town, if you think he's town then he's just interrogating another townie. Unless you are mafia and you're enjoying the show... This is what I meant by excuse. You're claiming you didn't say a single word in support of, in relation to, or regarding my attempts to push Damdred simply because you didn't think HolyFlare would be convinced. There are 11 other people outside of the three of us who might be convinced. Why does HolyFlare matter so much that you won't even lift a finger in support of lynching a scum read just because HolyFlare disagrees? | ||
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On November 05 2014 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Holyflare what do you think about Circumcision? His very next post is where he started going ballistic. On November 06 2014 02:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi, I'm sorry, this was my fucking lynch? Yeah this was my fucking lynch. You wanted to lynch someone else and I was all "What about risk nuke?" and you're all "Yeeeeah booooyyyy" So no, it's actually not a great point. If you think it's a great point you'r emafia. Was it a great point? Check his filter if you don't believe me. I fundamentally don't understand what set him off, and the best explanation I can come up with is that he thought he could discredit HolyFlare. I don't see what he thought flipping out would accomplish for Town. | ||
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Jay, I'm not inclined to vote Circumstance at this point. If we're going to lynch a lurker I'd rather go after Misder as he's not on track to be modkilled. | ||
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And please in one post explain your power in full Damdred. | ||
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The defense VisceraEyes provided yesterday is full of holes and I think he's scum. The contradictions become pretty blatant when you juxtapose the following two posts: On November 05 2014 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Holyflare what do you think about Circumcision? On November 06 2014 02:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi, I'm sorry, this was my fucking lynch? Yeah this was my fucking lynch. You wanted to lynch someone else and I was all "What about risk nuke?" and you're all "Yeeeeah booooyyyy" So no, it's actually not a great point. If you think it's a great point you'r emafia. Was it a great point? VisceraEyes claims that he didn't mention Damdred around the time of the first post (and my big push on Damdred) because he was trying to work "amicably" with HolyFlare. The second post immediately follows the first in VisceraEyes' filter, and is the start of VisceraEyes' thread-derailing tilt at HolyFlare. It doesn't make any sense for VisceraEyes to go from trying to work amicably with someone he had gone so far as to color green in his list of reads and compromise with on his preferred lynch, to full on OMGUS in one post. Someone with that amicable mindset would have owned it from the start rather than derail the thread. "I know I said I was going to push Damdred, but if you look at my filter you can see I changed my mind and compromised with HolyFlare on risk.nuke." BAM. Done. Instead we got (in order):
The amount of backtracking and self-contradiction is extremely scummy, the lack of interest in his own top scum read is scummy, and the blatant role fishing throughout the day is scummy. I think VisceraEyes is scum. | ||
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I'm not sold on Damdred being Town yet. While HolyFlare made a good point regarding a lack of clear scum motivation to reveal yesterday's power the manner of the reveal, the subsequent alterations when it became clear that only I was affected, and the role-heavy nature of the game make me disinclined to clear him based solely on that. I'm still parsing his interaction with VisceraEyes late yesterday. jrkirby's 24+ hour absence punctuated only by "OOPS I need to vote for OBLIVION" is bizarre and scummy. I want to know why he didn't see fit to comment on any of a myriad of relevant topics before or after the lynch. It looks very much like a lurker scum keeping their head down. | ||
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On November 07 2014 01:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Suess your attack on me doesn't even make me mafia. Like, the thread would have had to be ON RAILS for me to derail it, and the thread was dead when I started flippin. And going OMGUS on HF is one of my town-traits anyway. That case is just so full of fail LOL Have a RB Nullifier breh as a consolation prize? That has little or nothing to do with my main point, which is that your excuses don't line up with reality. Nevermind that when presented with an opportunity to discuss things with one of your top Town reads and move the thread in a positive direction you instead chose to flip out. On November 07 2014 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote: For the record Suess I really thoroughly enjoy your play outside the fact that you're wrong on me. Really solid stuff sir. Appreciated. You're still scum.  | ||
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On November 07 2014 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote: A point you're failing to recognize is that once Holyflare states open suspicion of me, he ceases to be my top townread. Like, that's the big point you are overlooking. When HF starts saying he is suspicious of me for no reason (fmp) then he's doing something horrifically scummy when he should know better and at that point he becomes a suspicious person to me. As the argument goes on I become progressively more and more, and then subsequently less and less, sure about that read. I'm not scum. Try again friend. This is basically the definition of OMGUS. You strike me as the sort of person who is smart enough and experienced enough to recognize that someone pointing out or contemplating your scummy behavior does not instantly make them scum. Instead the moment you were even slightly called into question you were completely defensive and put a lot of effort into discrediting the people asking the question rather than answering it. When you finally did answer it was blatantly false, and your revised answer simply does not match your actions. | ||
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I obviously wasn't a big fan of his return to the thread last night. Unless I read it wrong he spent a paragraph talking about how risk.nuke's train forming quickly and without opposition didn't indicate risk.nuke was mafia, and then voted risk.nuke anyway. It looked like scum distancing themselves from what they knew was going to be a Town lynch. He did confirm the chicken, but that's the only positive thing that stood out to me. While I was out he returned again and wrung his hands about not having a "comfortable lynch target". His defense of his risk.nuke vote was bland and uninspiring for someone who was simultaneously expressing disappointment at the lack of an alternative. He's slightly better than jrkirby for actually bothering to do anything with what time he had, and I respect that people have real life commitments. I'm looking to see what he does going forward and evaluate accordingly. | ||
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On November 13 2014 03:58 jaybrundage wrote: TBH HF was doing some weird shots. He kept switching on think on the basis of making them seem random or trying to make it appear that we had 1 shot instead of two. Can anyone comment on this. I wasn't sure if that was the best play. It worked out but I'm wondering what peoples opinions are of how shots should best me carried out in general Basically you either kill the towniest/best players so late game is a mess of people eyeing each other suspiciously or you just YOLO and let Town logic themselves to death. | ||
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On November 13 2014 07:42 ritoky wrote: i agree and disagree. i think had i not gotten busy with work at an inopportune time, i would have corrected it sooner in the thread (but hindsight is a bitch huh?). however, in terms of personal experience and my opinion it served as a very good function of continuity for at least day 2, i would probably play it the same for the second day doing it over; the 3rd and beyond is questionable. your criticism is obtuse though. "don't lie as town" yeah....right. i also think there is a problematic meta on these forums from my personal experience where certain players value others' opinions way too highly and disregard others' opinions way too quickly. but that's another can of worms. You were the towniest town in the game, but to be honest I have no idea how that particular lie could have helped Town at all. My own play probably wouldn't have been altered much because I died before I got overly suspicious of HolyFlare, but it definitely warped the game to the detriment of Town. It was a bad mistake, but then all the Town wigging out for no reason or coasting hard on D2 didn't help either. | ||
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