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On October 31 2014 12:31 GlowingBear wrote: Hi bby There's already information in the thread, don't be this pessimistic Go on, prove it. | ||
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everyone, i dont care, im not reading that shit. | ||
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thats nothing. Huge leap there. Try harder. | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:51 Circumstance wrote: Just making things clear - if you didn't read portions of the thread, then what makes you say it's all fluff? because I read it, but I didnt read it. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: It's a lot for the first 2 hours. Do better. It's literally not. It's the sorta shit that gets people mislynched because too much weight is put into some irrelevant comment. And also, it's a conversation starter that isn't supposed to go anywhere. You know this. Stop bothering me about it. It's not alignment indicative therefore useless | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote: boring arguments are boring Boring people think other things are boring. Are you a boring person holyflare | ||
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british spelling. GB, are you scum? | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:53 GlowingBear wrote: So, you think asking me if I'm scum is doing a better job than pointing out a bad entrance? C'mon oats. Face it, your point was not good and you keep going on about it which makes me think that you dont have anything else to post. I dont care what kinda job you think im doing. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:59 jaybrundage wrote: Wait guys I just had an idea what if Mr.Bigglesworth is actually part of Kulthazard as a third party. Who's job is to eliminate the horde cause in that case we should never give votes to the cat. As it can't help us find scum. As horde is not indicative of Mafia Alignment. I dont see why doing a side objective could be bad in any way. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:19 liancourt wrote: I don't know oats he's getting ppl to talk and ur denouncing him for it, why? GB's play is similar to last game he's trying to get things going. Is he playing differently? Im not denouncing him for it, im denouncing him for continuing to push it after coversation has already been established. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:00 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, it's not the best point, but it is the strongest so far. Propose a better discussion. This one is already saturated. SO WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP? YOU BROUGHT IT UP NOT ME. WHAT THE FUCK GLOWING BEAR. | ||
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End of discussion. If we dont use it, no loss. Hey Holyflare, has anything popped out as being interesting to you? | ||
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although the illegitimate format thing makes no sense to me if he was town or scum. Like nobody intentionally mistypes their vote. Nobody. So its like a total non-point that he kept mentioning. but yeah, interesting. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:28 Misder wrote: No - I just want to confirm there are no shenanigans going on. It really should be a quick yes or no - not something to get a read on. Obviously, it wasn't just a quick yes or no lol. I didn't consider any of the people that didn't post at all - I think using it on other people that posted, but not really (and ppl I did not get a town tell on) is a fine first use, and saying ObiWanShinobi makes it so that we have a target instead of lolidadiling(sp?) since we need majority vote if we really do want to use it. Why OWS rather than the 3 other non content people though. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:31 jaybrundage wrote: Not sure what you mean by side objective. It could hurt us however as third party could glean information to win the game and it would make town lose. Hm thinking about it if horde could be both mafia and town then the third party would be indifferent to helping either of us. hm If third party wins does it mean that town and mafia lose? or does third party win condition, have an objective they have to fufill so they can win with either Mafia or town? Sorry if I didnt make my question clear. I dont know too much about third party in mafia set ups. 3p either wins alone or with town or with scum. So yeahhhhhhhhh basically nothing. I think its way more likely that this helps us rather than hurting us, more info good for town cause of the info imbalance between town and mafia. IGNORE 3P. Interesting that you brought up 3p though, why do you think this game has a 3p? | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote: you just quoted his answer oats ![]() I possibly am stupid but I dont understand his answer. Is he saying he randomly chose someone off the list that he doesnt remember posting a lot? | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:34 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted you to talk about it, you didn't want. I brought it up to say that your question was useless, not to re-engage the discussion. What the fuck? I asked you if you were scum. And you didnt give an answer, and mentioned your shitty point. you re-engaged the discussion. You fool. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:34 Holyflare wrote: the first sentence totally contradicts the last...mafia love to talk about non-points well yeah but thats like a more non-points than normal non-points. A normal non-point is like my ongoing conversation with GB. thats just weird. | ||
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well yeah so thats his criteria for picking a random person? Ok then. Meh. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:48 Misder wrote: How is saying who to vote to analyze on the cat or asking the mods about the mechanics wifom? Why do you think I'm trying to blend in if only me and jaybrundage are talking about it? What exactly am I speculating on? All that I'm trying to say is that we should use the cat this cycle, and I believed ObiWanShinobi was a good target (past tense because cause he's here and he's ok). I don't have any true scum tells - only thing that stands out to me is that I agree with GB about jkirby's entrance being scummy. Why else do you think I would like to use the cat lol. oh my gosh this post says nothing. Why was OWS a good target Misder? Who is scum now? | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:50 jaybrundage wrote: Yo Obi Holyflare. I asked cause I don't know. For instance the term "Third Party" could in TL Mafia always imply that they win to the exclusion of town and mafia. I didnt know. But being stuck up just makes you guys seem well... Stuck up. Just cause I'm ignorant of something doesn't mean you have to give me shit. Hell I wasn't even asking you guys at first.Originally I was asking the Hosts. Also saying it was "all I have been talking about when I had been talking to GB just before that just seems to lack thread awareness. 2nd time you noob claimed btw. Just so you know. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:58 Seuss wrote: townOh hey. ##Analyze: GlowingBear | ||
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On October 31 2014 15:00 Holyflare wrote: I already posted this and you criticise me too??? #getrekt | ||
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Seuss weird vote but too weird to be scum. Liancourt, whos scum? | ||
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On October 31 2014 15:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I like HF and Misder too. HF and Misder making posts that make me think they're thinking about the game critically. I think they town. Me HF Misder and GB town. JayB maybe trying to pocket me. He might just like my vernacular, but him saying #yoloswagtownmayor in response to a one-liner townread feels.....excessive I guess. So why arent you doing anything about Holyflare attacking Misder? ##vote VE | ||
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You can't even unvote that makes it worse. Circumstance's case on me is calling me scum for being aggressive. K. | ||
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Actually, what do you think of VE? | ||
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On October 31 2014 22:54 Holyflare wrote: i dunno ve has pretty basic reads but i actually agree with them and they aren't super obvious reads so that's a plus for now Agree with his misder read? Yeah that was super summarised, doesn't mean it's not true in some sense though. I mean, he's saying that I'm attacking people for doing townie things right? Except I explicitly said it wasn't cause of that. The rest of it is conjecture. | ||
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Some reason, any reason at all why you think holyflare is scum? | ||
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On October 31 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote: 1) ObiWanShinobi <--- random town reads based off of almost nothing and talking about useless crap 2) Lord Tolkien - useless spam all game, making things up about me to justify vote (still dont even know if it was a joke) 5) risk.nuke - 0 posts 7) Seuss 10) Oatsmaster - aggression but no real commitment and looks really behind when he returns to question things already answered, dunno might take him off 11) Alakaslam - 0 posts 12) Blazinghand - 0 posts (wouldn't be surprised if he was somehow the cat) 13) Damdred - don't really know what he's thinking at all 14) liancourt - potentially could take off he looks jokey enough and has some of his trademark basic reads but meh 17) jaybrundage - cat policy, 3 policy, ?????? policy king op list post, please contribute to shrinking it come on man, phone posting is hard + i get excited when people say dumb shit. | ||
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On November 01 2014 00:02 Mr. Bigglesworth wrote: To clarify things: I am a player from outside the game. I was summoned by a townie who I must keep in secret. I'll analyse a player as any player would. This means I will read the thread, focus on that player's posts, and say what I think about him, i.e., make a case. Talking about me will lead nowhere. I am town aligned but I'm not a killable player. Which means you will gain nothing trying to know who I am or if I am town, mafia or 3rd party, for I'm none. This is my last post until the first analysis. Meow. wayyyy to much information . You just completely fucked over scum with this. | ||
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it looks like he doesnt really care if he dies. which is townie. | ||
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On November 01 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote: VE is not playing his town meta HF is okay You have still to define your meta this game I don't like lian I don't like Kirby I don't like jay Oats has yet to define his meta this game That's all I have for now. I dont have meta bitch, suck it upppppppppp. STOP ANALYSING. YOU DONT GET TO UNANALYSE. STOP IT. | ||
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On November 01 2014 01:42 Blazinghand wrote: Hey guys, just checking in before I get started reading. Anything urgent I need to know? you should really eat dinner first. | ||
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On November 01 2014 01:40 GlowingBear wrote: I also think the cat is town. If he was mafia, he would tell us that he was going to make a case based on his reads. He would just make us think he has privileged information. er yeah cat said he was town. Cats cant lie, therefore hes town, irrelevant post. | ||
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On November 01 2014 01:39 GlowingBear wrote: Oh I forgot circumstance. He is okay. I find weird that Seuss find me scum, but I may be OMGUSing What makes Circumstance "okay"? | ||
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I would be more of a fan if BH opened with the RNG bullshit but he didnt so im not. VE is town yay. .. I would rather lynch risk, I dont see the point in analysing him, its not gonna be much anyway. 2 hours left. ##Analyse: Jay More of a coin flip right now. | ||
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On November 01 2014 12:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is Jay a coinflip? I don't understand. I dont know his alignment but he posted a decent amount leading to a more consistent read by an outside party | ||
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On November 01 2014 15:05 jaybrundage wrote: I'm having faith that Blazing will come back and actually do something. I don't. You shouldn't. | ||
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If I could shoot you I would. | ||
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On November 01 2014 19:12 jrkirby wrote: Ok, I think Alakaslam was being deliberately misleading here. I certainly fell for it. He says that RNG is better than town at lynching scum d1. I thought I'd read this elsewhere, so I immediately took it at face value. After looking for my original source, and getting something that contradicted it, I looked in further to what Alakaslam said about RNG in previous games. I found this from a couple months ago: He knows RNG is not the best option. He's looked it up before. But he's pushing it anyway? And making claims about it that are false? My scum-sense is on tingling. And since LT has posted good content now, this is a perfect time to move my vote over to him. ##Unvote: Lord Tolkein ##Vote: Alakaslam Also, the way that he pushed the jay analysis is kinda weird. But that might just be how he plays. except the last time we had RNG, we lynched scum. Humans are biased to only remember good things. Not a point. | ||
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On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote: Ok. I know for a fact that BH likes RNG. I also know for a fact that sometimes he uses this to generate discussion. But there are two problems here: 1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off 2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG. It looks like he is trying to get town off the right track, because he is insisting on a mechanic that is going to lead on a mislynches. He is not reading the game and he is not caring for the game. You can see that he refuses to talk about anything else. Who BH thinks is scum? Nobody knows. Who BH thinks is town? Nobody knows. Passivity and creating confusion. Mafia traits. BH is mafia. nah point 2 isnt relevant because RNGing then deciding to push that person defeats the purpose of RNG. So yeah these are mostly bad reasons why BH is scum. If BH was town, he would do the RNG shit too. But he would do additional stuff like trying harder to convince people to jump on the RNG wagon. | ||
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On November 01 2014 22:44 Seuss wrote: Not necessarily scummier, but he's scummy enough for a vote and in my experience votes are a decent incentive to get someone to respond. Why dont you vote the person you think is the scummiest? Do you view the lynch as something other than a device to kill scum? | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:10 GlowingBear wrote: What kind of answer do you expect to get with the second question??? something interesting | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:11 Seuss wrote: At this moment there's more to be gained by pressuring Damdred with my vote than parking it on jrkirby. The goal of the lynch is to kill scum, and to that end any and all tools should be used to find scum. That includes votes. Why would it not be pressuring jrkirby? | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:23 Seuss wrote: It would pressure jrkirby, but he's already under plenty of pressure and I can be a part of that discussion with or without my vote. Meanwhile Damdred has been coasting and I'd like to pin him down on the context behind his reads. Please show the "plenty of pressure" | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote: Town, this is where I'm at: I don't want to lynch oats nor HF today. I want to lynch one between nuke, Kirby, BH, maybe Damdred. Let's consolidate. relax, still got like 10 hours to go. Which one you prefer strongly? and which one you dont actually wanna lynch? | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:35 Seuss wrote: I thought there were more people who had listed him as a scum read, but upon reviewing the thread it appears I was wrong. uhuh. UHUH. UHUHUH. So why dont you change your vote? | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:37 GlowingBear wrote: I'd like to know which one do you prefer, first. Who is your top scumread? duhhh blazinghand. | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:46 Seuss wrote: Still think we gain more from learning about Damdred than retreading jrkirby right now. What have you learned? | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:51 GlowingBear wrote: Ok oats. My first thought was that maybe we should lynch Kirby But after reading BH's previous games I want to lynch him so much. so which one of the 4 do you not really want to lynch? | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:00 GlowingBear wrote: Oats, it you think BH is scum, why aren't you voting him? i did | ||
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What the fuck damdred. Its less than 12 hours to lynch and you do this sorta shit. | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote: i just copy pasted my notes its not like i spent any considerable amount of time i answered a question posed to me in the best manner I could. Nobody asked me about my reads in general they asked about one specific person and why i read him that way so i showed it, so don't paint me for that. Look at the other reasons people are giving for voting for people, not contributing, approaching badly etc.. So stop attacking me for not having a huge case on people doing nothing basically all day, gb admits to being super lazy and just fuck everyone else. And its not null tells gb its your scum tells. Oats you have no room to talk buddy ohhhh noooo I have plenty of room to talk. YOU HAVE NO SCUM READS DUDE. | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:59 Damdred wrote: This is false, I have three scum reads currently explain with quotes and references, 500 words, 12 pt arial, double spacing, justified. | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:59 Damdred wrote: GB can't even put together a case on me, just shouting vote me. Good job GB yeah and this is horrific, please dont do this, you just sound really whiny. | ||
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I think he still has a slightly higher chance of being scum. I just see damdred as this slightly unfortunate fellow, he could be scum or he could just be really bad town. Im not seeing that with BH. | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:21 Damdred wrote: I'll take bad town, not any different from most of the thread. snipes like these arent helping your case. They imply prior knowledge. | ||
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BH vomiting words that are completely useless. Damdred doing silly things. Hey BH, what did you learn from quoting posts not in context and giving comments about them? For like half the fucking thread. | ||
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Wheres that analyse shit btw? Mods please do something | ||
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Then risk.nuke/jrkirby in no particular order then like bh | ||
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On November 03 2014 00:11 Damdred wrote: Why are people getting on obi for defending me before I claimed? When he Cleary did it after I lengthened day and claimed I believe? quote them timelines please. | ||
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Not really. Care to explain why your only defense is "Im town"? | ||
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On November 03 2014 00:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Care to explain why your only accusation is "not really?" Goes both ways, bro. I can't sort you if you don't give me reasoning. Read what holyflare said. Defend it properly. | ||
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On November 03 2014 00:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I already did this. I fail to see what I haven't defended. Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? not really. I reread your filter. Your defence sucks balls. You get lynched. Good bye. | ||
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On November 03 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Heh. These people I can lynch today if I had to lynch someone right now: jrkirby risk.nuke Misder Seuss I'm tentatively including Oats, but I'm relatively omgus-y right now and I'm not sure if it's personal or not. He probably isn't getting lynched today anyway so that might be fine. As for the names I listed, I don't have spectacular reasons for all of them yet. They're mostly PoE'd out of the people I don't want to lynch for one reason or another. All of them feel relatively forgettable and useless, and neither of those traits are good on day 1. I'm going to switch between filter diving and playing Street Fighter or something for the next couple of hours. One of my specific filter targets is going to be LT since he's becoming a hot topic. Fwiw, I know he has a scummy day 1 meta like me so take that as you will. seriously you do this shit and you call my read bad. >....> | ||
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Glowingbear, how many lynches have you pushed today really badly? It looks like you are going from one dude to another. Why dont you have multiple reads? | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:54 Blazinghand wrote: alright guys some crap came up today and i'll try to catch up but i can't gaurantee reasonable thoughts between now and 2 hours form now when the day ends. can anyone tell me what the main wagons are besides GB? looks like I didn't work hard enough to get votes onto him so he's not a real possibliity did you move again? | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tbh, looking over what happened, I'm willing to leave risk alone today. I can vote LT if nothing else, but it's mostly for consolidation and I don't have much reasoning as to why we should kill him. The thing is that Circumstance has been completely and utterly worthless and just ninja voted LT, which scares me. He's been here the whole time in yet he won't tell anyone why he's voting who he's voting. It's scummy as fuck. its actually townie. :OOOOOO | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't see how that's townie? Cause its super super suspicious. Like too suspicous for scum, they feel an innate read to overexplain everything. | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm going to remember this for my next scumgame. go ahead, you will never do it. | ||
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Cause mine isnt. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:21 jrkirby wrote: What I mean is this: I didn't have scumread on him before, but there's no way this can be townie. And I'm pissed at it. Pissed = want him lynched, no matter what. I dont see how this is inherently scummy. How in the world is him claiming a role making you angry? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:24 jrkirby wrote: Ok, based on his actions, there's no way I believe a doc claim. I'm just not that gullible. If someone fakeclaims medic, I want them lynched. Why would a doc play different from a VT or any other role. Im just not getting this anger and how the fuck you are SO SURE that its a fakeclaim. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:33 GlowingBear wrote: Nonononono. Now we will lynch Tolkien because I want to know if in right. thats horrible fucking play. Why are you such an asshole? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote: I don't believe a jester claim because I know WaveofShadow hates jesters and he helped make the setup I don't believe a jester game because it has never happened outside of palmar's 5 player games. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:41 GlowingBear wrote: He knows how to play as blue. There is no way he is medic. He will flip jester and you'll see it. Or his skill is like "if you are about to be lynched, the second most voted person will be lunched instead" Wanna bet? 2 hours of porn. I like lunch. Vote me guys. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:42 Misder wrote: Guys I have four votes please get on another train ![]() What other train do you suggest? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not an asshole. Why are you wasting your vote, then? So you think that jrkirby is not a legitimate target for what reason? How the fuck is you rolling your fat ass around saying "LYNCH THIS DUDE CAUSE I SAY SO" the whole fucking game not being an asshole? | ||
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What happened to damdred and circumstance? Are they still scum? Who knows. You clearly dont. | ||
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GOGOGOGO. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:59 GlowingBear wrote: How do you fucking know? My reads changes when the game progresses. What can I do? I'm not worried to keep reading people as town. I'm worried to catch scum. And scummiest people are Damdred and Circumstance at the moment, for me. Circumstance had very scummy behaviour + he has been lurking until now. um apparently not, your vote is on LT | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:49 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, yes? I said repeatedly that I wanted to consolidate on one of those? Repeatedly meaning twice and you dont directly try and change peoples mind. COOL STORY GLOWINGBEAR. | ||
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We should vig him though. I dunno what in the world Blazinghand is doing. | ||
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SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE DAMDRED. | ||
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I ended up voting for LT. | ||
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get wrecked by superior game knowledge. | ||
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dude stop spoiling my plan. | ||
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LIANCOURT CLAIM OR DIE. | ||
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On November 03 2014 13:10 Misder wrote: The votes on me are me btw. Came with my power. Also anyone know what a homing chicken does. And I spotted Circumstance in the Blizzcon World Champions LR Thread in Liquidhearth btw. homing chicken gives you cards in the game. I guess you get more abilities if you survive to a certain point. | ||
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On November 03 2014 13:25 jaybrundage wrote: Oats, VE what do you guys think of Circumstance? i really dont know. He didnt show up during lynch time even though he was here. I kinda think that its a plus, but its like super super scummy, which means its townie. Meh, lynch the scummy people. Ok, hes super scummy and scum. | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:22 Damdred wrote: Ok I need thoughts, my ability in play today (its already activated just needs trigger) can be detrimental to town. How should we handle it Dude what the hell man, you gotta give more info. What in the world are you doing activating a non town power? | ||
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WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE CAT? | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: Well its just an automatic ability that if someone says a specific word there vote power is gone for the cycle. So why don't you tell us the word that we are not supposed to say? | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:30 Damdred wrote: Just the first person to say it and I can't say it obviously Link a paint picture of you drawing it. Give us a fuckload of hints about it. Dude there are so many things you could do. | ||
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Is he coming back or did he die? | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:32 Damdred wrote: Its one of BH favorite words near eod when lynched can go to someone else suddenly Do we have to spell the word perfectly? Is it a contraction of the word? | ||
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Looks like the cat was anti town. What a shame. | ||
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Just cause you suck, it doesnt mean he sucks | ||
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On November 05 2014 13:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You know what's really weird? Oats ninja voted. That means he's paying attention but he clearly doesn't care enough to post in the thread. He's happy to let it stagnate. I voted cause I thought it was lynch time and I didnt have the time to get onto my computer. I am reading the thread and it is boring as absolute shit. On November 05 2014 18:07 risk.nuke wrote: Oats is the scummiest scum who ever scummed like anyone who reads through his filter day1 and thinks he has an interest in finding scum is so dead wrong, his only interest is looking like he's contributing without contributing. I don't really agree with your read on VE ritoky, he felt townie to me during day1. A lot less so now but that's mostly because he put his vote on me and disappeared and I'm not ready to lynch him before he gets back and updates his stance. I think misder is suspicious. Particularly his actions just before the lynch but I wouldn't lynch him just yet. Why is circumstance the only person who can see that oats is doing jack day1? What do you think risk? Why dont you try and lynch me. GO AHEAD. that would make the game interesting. At this point, Im just waiting for all the lurkers to die. | ||
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On November 05 2014 21:06 risk.nuke wrote: I've told the thread, oats is mafia. If you have anything in your head you should join me and get him lynched. oh really? you have a case? Nawwww | ||
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On November 06 2014 00:04 risk.nuke wrote: I didn't ask you to translate for him. Did you deliberately miss the point completely? Down to a Yes or No answer. Do you, when you look at his filter feel like he did mostly nothing for the time that he was around during day1. Do you think that it's likely he is scum from the fact that he's accomplished nothing despite a day1 activity of 5-6 pages. you totally didnt ask that. Stop pre biasing his viewpoint. Its rude. | ||
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He's spent the whole day pushing damdred with nothing to show for it. Nobody agrees with him and nobody is voting damdred. And he doesnt care quite much. It feels like he is pushing damdred for the sake of having something to do. | ||
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On November 06 2014 08:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hf if Oats is your partner claim now. Otherwise I'm pushing him. Please do. With all your effort. | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:23 jaybrundage wrote: Oats your folowing the thread. Why aren't you posting me. This thread is dead cause townies are letting it die. I don't think you know what a dead thread looks like. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I love how Holyflare isn't even here. He's been pushing my wagon since yesterday and doesn't even give enough of a fuck to see everything finished. Oats is still doing nothing, so even though he's been around and has clearly been reading, he finds the thread boring and lets people duke it out without bothering to stop any of it. He hasn't given a single reason to be on my wagon and he's a likely mafia hit. I need a reason to be on your wagon? How about, I think that jay is less of a dick than you therefore, I prefer his company and you can not live. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:18 jaybrundage wrote: What are you opinions about Circumstance and Misder. Comon oats I WANT MORE. I think circumstance could be scum, not so much on Misder. Power speculation, 4 votes is like wayyy op. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I love how you're the one calling me a dick when you berate me in every single game you join. Maybe cause its true. I dont actually remember the last game. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Of course you don't. Wouldn't want to be seen as a hypocrite. See, dick. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You've called me bad in just about every single game we've been in and you're acting like me getting pissed off is completely unfounded. Seriously consider checking Oats or something if you have a DT role or something. I refuse to believe that he's being this obtuse unintentionally. I dont understand. I dont want to play with you this game because its not enjoyable to see you continually whine and complain. I think both of you are town. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:36 liancourt wrote: Misder has been odd from day 1 and his post recently was just blah nothing. I m willing for a misder lynch. Also i want ritoky or someone else that said risk might be town because everyone is piling and there is 0 defense to explain how this is. can you explain what you mean by "odd"? Also the defence that nobody is defending the current lynch target is a really bad defence. Stop doing it. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You berate me every single time we end up in a game together and NOW you don't want to be around me when I call you on it? K bro. K. I berate you every time and you are surprised when I want you dead? I dont get this at all man. ?!?!? NOW you don't want to be around me when I call you on it? Explain before you die pls. | ||
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What time is deadline? in like 1 hour 5 minutes or 5 minutes? | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not surprised you want me dead. I got tunneled and played terribly this game and got really pissed off and a bunch of other stuff. A bunch of people have been shitting on me and ignoring me all game and I'm not happy about it. I don't even have a power I can use to convince people is important and I wound up dying early because of stuff I had no opportunity to control. It looks like you're tearing into me at a really opportune time so I don't know if you're scum or if you're legitimately mad. You don't post enough for me to sort you so coming out of the woodwork and saying "I don't like you" is a bullshit excuse for killing me when you bring it out at the last second. Also, I'm tired of being called bad. Dont be bad. ![]() I dont know what you mean. You asked why I wanted to lynch you. I answered. err yeah. Especially since its between you and Jay, who from my very bad memory is doing useful things and looks really townie. I understand if its between like 15 people, but its only between 2. It doesnt take much to tip one way or the other. | ||
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so the deadline gets 1 hour later every day? | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:02 liancourt wrote: Look in my filter i pointed " odd" things about misder. I dont understand either so i want someone to explain it to me. If someone is bandwagoned by the whole game, it doesnt mean that he is town because nobody is defending him. Sometimes scum just take it as a lost cause and dont bother. | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:02 liancourt wrote: Look in my filter i pointed " odd" things about misder. I dont understand either so i want someone to explain it to me. I looked. Its not there. There is surprisingly little in your filter. Wow. Why did you adjust mine and Obi's votes? | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because you've been sitting around doing nothing. I've actually been trying to make stuff happen in between my bouts of insanity and you just sat around and went "yeah fuck Obi" when the lynch was already sealed. It's sketchy as fuck. Ohhh. No I did nothing of that sort until you fucking asked dude. I never said anything about the lynch between you and jay at all even. I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN YOU AND JAY DUDE. COME ON MAN. DONT BE A DICK. | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:07 geript wrote: To my knowledge, no. At night there is a 1-hour deadline to give the hosts time to resolve actions so they can put up a night post in a timely fashion. I don't think the deadline has changed. I could be wrong. If it is then blame Wave, he created the first vote count today that we all copy/pasted from so the night deadline tmr is 23 hours after lynch, Corrrect? | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:07 liancourt wrote: Yea then why did some ppl use this to make it seem like risk is town Oh right yeah its bad, dont do it. I thought you did it. My bad. | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Too late, dickitude activated. Get some. ![]() | ||
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I dont remember that the last time I played with him. Did he bus LT like super early? Or was that just unfortunate? | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:22 Damdred wrote: People reactions to misders post, don't squabble focus on the lynch its not a bad post. Therefore he shouldnt be lynched today. What is your reaction? | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:24 Damdred wrote: Part of it isn't a bad post I hate list posts with no explanations though. why are you so sure of him oats Im surer of him than risk. | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:33 Misder wrote: Is it possible to have the rest of the scum members be this inactive :/ I guess it's possible... Read through Oats's filter, seems like he's town - don't think he's going to try and push another wagon against Tolkien if he's scum. Though Oat's, why didn't you try and push risk.nuke at the end and instead left it on jrkirby until the end? READ THE THREAD MAN. MY VOTE GOT MANIPULATED. I ENDED UP ON LT | ||
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On November 06 2014 11:52 Misder wrote: I know. You were on jrkirby before it got manipulated though. You didn't even try to vote risk.nuke. My question is, why didn't you switch to risk.nuke if you didn't want Tolkien to get lynched? (Your vote ended up on Damdred) There was no chance at all anyhting other than tolkien died. | ||
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It doesnt make much sense. ![]() gg obi. | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote: well the people that said it didn't lose their vote so what other explanation is there? Yeah ok, but like why???? | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote: maybe his power is mafia favoured and similar and he wanted a believable lie? Was there any vote nonsense? I didnt notice. | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Booooo. So Holy looks good for wanting off risk.nuke when he did I guess. Whatever, I'll just reread and see what's up. do you know something we dont? Like the other possible targets being scum? | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:40 Damdred wrote: Seuss looked really good today pushed a case no matter what people thought about it and tried to rethink his position and struggeled with it he looked realy towny through a lot of today. Jrkirby during night and when he was here looked ok he looked towny in some of the things he said today. I didn't know which to pick so i just let fate pick That seems irresponsible. dont you trust your reads? | ||
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You know what? Damdred could be a 3rd party that needs to survive until his powers are over. Hmm | ||
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Yeah my Mason was different from the first one. It was for 1 day only though, no nights. | ||
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Yeah no, that would reveal my name. | ||
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On November 07 2014 09:58 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey all, for my ability, Ima just RNG it and hope for the best. #yolo #swag dont fucking do that. | ||
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Putting it on liancourt isnt a bad idea either. | ||
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On November 07 2014 10:14 Damdred wrote: I was torn between loan and slam. I know both are capable lian worries me a bit and miser showed he can put long posts out. I think both are good I like how this turned out atm So you think that both lian and misder are town? | ||
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If he is posting relatively freely and semi-coherently, hes town. | ||
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And dying is fucking boring man, there are no other games going on. You dont want to die to save ungrateful townies eitehr. | ||
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VE, what did you make? | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I invented an Emboldener. If anyone performed an action on N2 they may repeat that action today in place of any other action. Best used if you had like a BA investigative power on N2 with some kind of weak crap or nothing at all during the day today. Like....this is a weird one because to get the most out of it we'd have to have like a bunch of action claims to see whose is best for town today but like...that's a lot of info flying around for the mafia. I don't know, what do you guys think? I should clarify that I'm not inventing these things myself - the inventions are basically like my abilities, but I can't use them myself I have to pass them off. I'm not like a normal inventor where I can just invent whatever I want. I'd have been inventing cop checks or list checks or something OP like that if I were. Who did you give it to? | ||
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So yeahhhh awesomesauce. | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Well obviously I haven't given it to anyone yet. dont give it to misder. | ||
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I mean, people keep saying they have OP powers but nothing happened. | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:29 ritoky wrote: My ability was hand of protection, gave me a divine shield which blocks all kp to a target, can be self-cast, and only pops when you absorb at least 1 kp. It did not pop last night, which means I am invulnerable essentially another night. how is that op? | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh yeah. I'm getting an invention like every cycle. They're not super great abilities, and frankly I'm using them poorly I think, but no one is trusting me and helping me decide what to do with the shit so I'm just doin whatever. Dude you didnt even say you had shit until like 12 hours ago. Stop noobclaiming and whining. | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:32 ritoky wrote: Immune to all kp, self-castable protection, that endures until you're targeted with a kp???? I mean have your abilities been stronger than this? its a bulletproof vest??? | ||
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They're not super great abilities, and frankly I'm using them poorly I think nope. noobclaiming. | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Noobclaiming would be "I don't know how these work". You're literally just throwing around catchwords LMAO Are you fucking scum Oats? fine. badclaiming. Claiming that you are bad at the game. It means the same thing. Whatever man, the point is the same. You are downplaying your stuff for whatever reason. | ||
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On November 07 2014 13:09 Holyflare wrote: LordTolkien: jaybrundage, ritoky, Holyflare, Alakaslam, VisceraEyes, Seuss, risk.nuke, Circumstance, Blazinghand, jrkirby, Misder, oatsmaster, ObiWanShinobi just looking at this vote, if lt was bandwagoned it would probably be misder/oats being the one that did it my vote was 1 minute before deadline. CONTEXT BOY. | ||
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On November 07 2014 13:10 Holyflare wrote: also if misder nuked jrkirby and he's not dead (another person lying about their abilities?) do mafia just have 1 kp? kinda seems like that. From n1, BH and GB kills are from different factions. No way scum with 2 kp chooses to kill these 2. | ||
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On November 07 2014 13:24 Holyflare wrote: i dunno i think today is a good day to mass claim imo yeah not yet. its probably like what, 4-5 scum? | ||
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so 7-3 today. or 6-3-1 Still not mylo | ||
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5-3-1 2 nks 3-3-1. Worst case scenario. | ||
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On November 07 2014 13:27 Holyflare wrote: you're saying it's 3 mafia and 1 3p? and mafia only has 1kp? ? mafia for sure only has 1 kp | ||
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Ok so you are on the liancourt lynch right? Im the warlock, 5 powers at the start, discard 1 power when I use 1 power. So n1 i used mason, discarded vengeful power n2, used charc name check on damdred, discarded shield that blocks non factional powers. so im left with martyr. | ||
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On November 07 2014 13:44 Holyflare wrote: why on earth would you check the name of damdred??? i dunno, thought that his powers were weird, didnt realise the initial power pretty much claimed his name. meh. | ||
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On November 07 2014 13:43 liancourt wrote: i think this homing chicken did something to misder so when did the thing you gave to ritoky get made? | ||
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On November 06 2014 05:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Holy you're not even interested in discussing anything with me, you've flipped into "discredit everything VE says" mode so fuck this, you can figure out the game yourself. I'm Gelbin Mekkatorque, I invented a homing chicken on D1 and gave it to Misder. No idea what it does. I invented a Poultryizer D2 and gave it to HF, I have an idea of what it does. Nothing anti-town. Good luck fuckers. so how did you give something to rikoty? Clam properly man. | ||
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On November 07 2014 14:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's my inventions thus far: D1: Homing Chicken > Misder N1: No item D2: Poultryizer > HF N2: Repair Bots > ritoky That's what I've invented and whom I've given them to. Now I have an Empowerizer or whatever the fuck. Emboldener. It will allow whomever I give it to to repeat their N2 action today in place of any other action. So I guess whoever gets it needs to have an ability today to replace it with? IDK, it's all pretty vague. How come nothing N1? And what does homing chicken do? | ||
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VE isnt telling us something. From what I understand VE, you get a PM at the start of the day saying what item you have to give away, correct? and you give it away at the end of the day? So timeline, D1 start: VE got chicken D1 end: Misder got chicken from VE N1 nothing at all. D2 start: Ve got poulty D2 end: HF got poultry from ve N2 start: Ve got ibots N2 end: ritoky got ibots D3 start: VE got emboldner, IS THIS CORRECT? | ||
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jay, hf claimed pgo, rikoty claimed op. probably roleblocked ritoky if they even could. VE not dying even though hes an INVENTOR is pretty bullshit. Did you claim not normal inventor before the day post VE? | ||
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On November 07 2014 14:31 ritoky wrote: Hrm. oats claimed gul'dan, jaybrundage claimed jaraxxas.....god i can't stop myself from wifoming in this setup....but i feel like both of them are either town or mafia, and probably together 100% in alignment. complete setup speculation, take it with a grain of salt. lol what a waste of time. | ||
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On November 07 2014 14:35 liancourt wrote: i didn't get an item lol On November 07 2014 13:49 liancourt wrote: i got it at night 2 ???? | ||
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On November 07 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know when they received shit, I gave them out the phase I received them. I don't know when they received them. If I got something during a day phase, then I gave it out during that same day phase. Period. You recieved it at the start of the day? can the recipients verify if they received the items not at the end of a phase but somewhere in the middle? | ||
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On November 07 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, you're making something out of nothing. What exactly is it that isn't adding up for you? That your role seems completely weird. Ive never seen anything that doesnt work around the day and night cycles like yours seems to do. | ||
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Gelbin only has 3 cards he can produce, repair bot/homing chicken and emboldner so you shouldnt get any more inventions. Is ve's role working as intended? | ||
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On November 07 2014 15:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh - it probably has to do with the fact that I can't use any of the abilities myself or on myself. I agree that aspect IS strange, but it makes sense to me knowing what I know about the things I've invented so far. can you tell us what makes sense? Holyflare, what do you mean? | ||
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What does that mean Holyflare/?? | ||
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On November 07 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote: Oats like wtf you quizzing ve about how his thing matches up and you can't even count them... My numbers were off, theory still correct. ' | ||
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Did you recieve the invention at a random point during the cycle or was it at the end? | ||
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On November 07 2014 16:41 Holyflare wrote: End of day cycle k then that makes much more sense. Disregard previous suspicions. | ||
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On November 07 2014 16:44 Holyflare wrote: It could be slam/ray/lian mafia and misder 3p, i think that would be pretty accurate. I don't buy at all that slams only SUPER sure scum read was on risk for a 3 way association case that never changed ever. Ray for reasons I've said multiple times and he's clearly not going to start reading ever because he's mafia. Lian just... Meh i dont really buy that a scum slam posts 9 pages though. | ||
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He was scum in fantasy 1? I DONT REMEMBER ![]() | ||
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On November 07 2014 19:39 Chairman Ray wrote: I am Andiun! On night 1, I am a watcher. I will not reveal the result of my check at this time in case I need to counterclaim someone. Or if you guys prefer, I can reveal the results so you guys can validate my claim. Either way is fine. On night 2, I am a medic. I saved Holyflare. claim your role properly. | ||
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On November 07 2014 19:54 Chairman Ray wrote: Not sure what you mean, but if you want more details, my power for night 1 is that I check the number of people visited my target during the night. My power for night 2 is that I block the first kp towards a target. do you get more powers each day? and yeah wtf what would you need to counterclaim? | ||
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On November 07 2014 20:06 Chairman Ray wrote: I double checked my pms, and I sent my night action to all three hosts, so there couldn't have been a mistake there I'm still not 100% sure on how the chicken thing works, but if it's 100% supposed to roleblock me if I visited Holyflare last night, then someone's lying about something. Everyone involved with the chicken thing might be mafia. so like half the game? | ||
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On November 07 2014 20:09 Chairman Ray wrote: That's worth it since I'm town. I'm the top scum read atm, so I'll be the first lynch no matter who I counterclaim. If I'm scum, I'm just throwing my own life away for nothing. Since I'm town, if I don't manage to convince you guys to lynch the scum, at least my death will confirm them as scum. ??? What I meant was that you're scum. | ||
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On November 07 2014 20:13 Chairman Ray wrote: Unless I'm missing something, VE gave the chicken to misder and Holyflare. So it's possible that those 3 are mafia and made up the whole thing. If that's the case, I volunteer to by lynched right now, confirming me as town, and confirming the chicken thing as a lie, and we win. you are missing a whole fuckload of things. | ||
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On November 07 2014 20:20 Chairman Ray wrote: Like there is no world where I'm fakeclaiming. If I was fakeclaiming as scum, firstly I would consult my teammates and read all the claims so that my story and role lines up with everything that's happened so far. Secondly I would not counterclaim Holyflare. That's complete fucking suicide and there's literally no legit reason why a scum would do it. you didnt do good and didnt read. DUhhhh. also, yeah you somehow KNOW that holyflare is town? When earlier you were suggesting that he might be scum? | ||
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On November 07 2014 21:58 Chairman Ray wrote: If you lynch me, it will be 100% your fault for the mislynch. I've only told the truth here, and you guys are the ones drawing the incorrect conclusions. Yes yes 100% my fault and not yours for not reading the thread or making any sense what so ever. | ||
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On November 07 2014 22:05 Chairman Ray wrote: This is not about me not reading the thread because you guys aren't scumreading me for that. You guys are scumreading me because you don't think my claim is possible. What do you want me to do? It's all together. I'm scum reading you for being totally inconsistent with your stance on the chickens and the fact that 36 hours after you replaced in, you don't have any useful reads or anything that shows you read the thread at all. And you completely don't have any questions at all about anything | ||
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On November 07 2014 22:29 Chairman Ray wrote: Do you have any ideas, other than I'm lying? Even if you aren't lying, you still aren't town. | ||
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On November 07 2014 22:33 Chairman Ray wrote: How does that make sense? You think mafia would have two town abilities? 1. Watcher could be scum, I've seen scum watchers. 2. There is a whole lot to kp, 1 shot scum medic isn't bad. | ||
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Stop talking about how your role makes you town. It doesn't. | ||
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On November 08 2014 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Because you've spent half this cycle trying to prove I'm mafia based on nothing Oats - add to that, this is the first cycle you've had an active part in discussion. I'm not going to lynch you today probably but you're definitely not green to me bud. you didnt explain your role properly man, its not my fault you dont seem to have any clue how actions normally happen. I was totes active day 1. Memory short huh VE. The lian bit man? What makes him not scum? | ||
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I dont know what the fuck his scumread on Misder is. PURELY FROM ROLE SPECULATION ##vote CR | ||
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On November 08 2014 13:47 Holyflare wrote: Sorry guys having a few issues irl atm so can't really do much. Not had any sleep in like 50 hours that sounds unhealthy. | ||
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On November 08 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote: It's probably not even public and he just wrote something. Don't see how his vote power fits with leeroy either thats true. Although hes gambling that leeroy isnt in the game. easier explanation is that hes leeroy. | ||
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On November 08 2014 14:20 jaybrundage wrote: Is it just that there are two watchers? I believe slam was the other one if memory serves. Why not slam scum CR town? because CR is making absolutely no sense, his only scumread is role speculation and he has contradicted himself multiple times. | ||
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Man i actually don't think damdred is scum. Stay on course for cr. Ve, why don't you want to lynch cr? | ||
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On November 08 2014 17:29 Chairman Ray wrote: If I had to pick a 3p, it would be Oatsmaster just off role speculation. His name check ability sticks out to me. There is literally nothing that names do in this game, so putting this ability into the game doesn't make sense from a design perspective. Oats even decided to use this ability, while discarding vengeful and ability block, which are two wonderful abilities for either faction. He also decided to keep the martyr ability despite saying that he really doesn't want to use it. Makes sense if he's 3p with a win-con that has to do with names, and the martyr ability can change his win con. Maybe Misder could be 3p, but I think mafia is far more likely. Dude I didn't have a choice in which abilities I discarded. Also I'm not getting lynched so vengeful is bad, ability block is for myself which is bad. Sooooo in essence, I got super lucky with the discards. And seriously you can't even make up a plausible theory how me knowing role names helps me win the game. | ||
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Fine, ill be safe. Misder. Im gonna bed. ##vote Misder | ||
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correct? Or mod error? | ||
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On November 09 2014 10:30 ritoky wrote: are you not reading? ???? How does he get from this, to voting with CR onto misder who isn't even here to defend himself. HF did this too, top scum read into voting with top scum read....what is going on right now... | ||
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For me, misder is definitely not town. Like he might not be scum but there's no chance he's town. | ||
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On November 09 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote: your read on misder is basically 80% of the reason i am not voting, because i think it is a pile of crap. you typed his name 4 total this phase before you voted on him. 2 were to ask him to claim and clarify his claim, 1 when you were asking VE about the sequence of his night actions, and then the last you're speculating with HF about him being a public assassin. then vote. you have no read on him, and now suddenly there's 0 chance he is town. i think oats if full of crap. I don't see how this doesn't make sense. Holy flare is persuasive. I really could lynch like 3 people but lian isn't getting any love and cr is kinda like 90%-10% for me. | ||
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On November 09 2014 11:01 ritoky wrote: 1) because you're the guy, from my past experience, when you think some1 is scum you will rail on them and vote them until they are dead 8x over; you have not done that in the slightest this entire game. 2) you literally had no read on the guy then suddenly it is so convincing that you're willing to peel off the scum read you've been most vocal about the entire game? how does that make sense? you had no read on the guy prior to this. Er yeah It's possible for me to change my mind. Yes. That's a thing. | ||
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Time to martyr I guess. | ||
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Anyway I'm the one who is gonna DIE. BODYGUARD! | ||
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On November 09 2014 13:13 Holyflare wrote: Mafia got 2kp n1 and shot a really super random pair of people then? Probably more likely one of them shot the other. Or someone absorbed a bullet yesterday. I think the first explanation is the most likely. | ||
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On November 09 2014 13:34 Holyflare wrote: Well if there is a 3p that can win with either faction then it still could be over Survivor. Nothing we can control. Lol. Whatever. | ||
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On November 10 2014 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes I could also lynch Oats. He was another one who was all "Well what about lian huh? Why you not talking about lian huh?" which I found really REALLY odd about Damdred. Why is it odd to want to lynch a scummy person? And you completely ignored questions about lian for a period of time. You didn't even say "I don't have a read on lian, but you just said nothing | ||
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I think what really killed town was putting way too much value into the role speculation, like killing misder and cr kinda. And the Jay thing also led us to believe he's town. Like lian was obviously scum by day 2/3 but he managed not to be the scummiest dude due to either our incompetence or holyflares interference. | ||
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On November 13 2014 00:48 Damdred wrote: Everyone thought iw as scum and wasn't paying attention. And as much as VE says it basically it was impossible to lynch lian with his "I won't move unless the mod confirmed masons move" and if i move with CR and Slam on lian CR still gets lynched sadly because he was first to three. How do I read you? Like whats the difference between your scum and town play? | ||
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