EPTOn November 02 2014 03:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm probably going to end up voting BH when all is said and done.
I'm probably going to end up voting BH when all is said and done.
this is all i could find. I don't see a reason sorry.
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this is all i could find. I don't see a reason sorry. | ||
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On November 02 2014 14:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yes I have. You even quoted them. @JB: I'm not sure. Still BH probably, just for calling me mafia for generic stuff and not backing it up well enough I guess. I haven't really looked at his posts in depth yet, so I'll probably do that in the morning or something. Im not sure. Probably. Maybe. Are u sure u have a scum read on him? Is it ok if i comprehend that ur scum read is omgus? If it isnt do u have reasons now to find him scummy? | ||
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On November 02 2014 15:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is not why. My issue is that lian is jumping on me when it's really convenient and forcing me into a lynch that I don't particularly support. If that post was forcing i m sorry but i wanted to know ur thoughts. I couldnt tell who u wanted to lynch and its been 48 hrs so. | ||
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On November 02 2014 16:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All you've been doing is calling all of my reads bullshit since I started playing. If you try to personify my play into nothingness, then I guess that's just where you're going to end up. I actually tried to come up with reads early so people would be able to gauge where I was coming from, but apparently someone thinks that I never come up with reads so talking to me is impossible. @Lian: Sure. I guess. I looked back and I can see BH coming up with that stuff on his own. It's still mediocre, but maybe I'm biased. Maybe i m dumb but i dont really understand ur response to me. bh is coming up with wat? Biased because he called u scum? | ||
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On November 02 2014 18:25 ritoky wrote: Well, we are not in plurality lynch so we need to start getting organized and on someone before we get a shitty no-lynch no-flip. As of right now my top lynch candidate is Lord Tolkein. Here is him joking with his first post. Make a note of how this is on the first page of his filter and the time and date. He proceeds this way for a vast majority of the phase. Making snarky remarks, offering no insight, commenting on nothing relevant, and doing nothing to find scum. Then he posts this: Part 1: Wants to analyze JB, congratulations you have arrived at the conclusion that nearly half the players in the game had already arrived at much later than them. Part 2: Summary: I troll lelelelelelel, no1 lynches me d1. Answer: We'll see about that shit. Part 3: Finally nearly 36 hrs into the game we have the first portion of content available to us. And what is it? After 35 pages of content it is a bunch of unsubstantiated reads. Now personally, I think the case for GB and HF as town had been made and didn't need re-stating; but what the hell is this VE and OBS read? Airballs and no explanation behind them at all. Especially OWS, what had OWS done up to page 35 that had made him town in any way? It is beyond me. Part 4: Lol BH RNG. Ty for this insight, glad we waited for it. Part 5: Lynch lurkers guys! Cuz this strategy on day 1 always goes over well with me. But outside of that, it is an easy thing to simply default to and say instead of giving legitimate scum reads. So essentially he gave us 2 redundant town reads, 2 unexplained town reads, and told us to lynch lurkers; after 36 hrs of play and 35 pages of content. Shows a lack of investment in the thread and he doesn't even try to push his scum reads toward a lynch, just lays them limp in the thread. He then immediately unvotes his lurker 1 lurker lynch who had temporarily stopped lurking and proceeds down the path toward the other lurker. Then we get to the part that I simply cannot understand. He attempts to explain his town read on OWS and how he agreed with OWS's town read on Damdred BEFORE Damdred had claimed. At least in OWS's case it is his original thought. It is a very bad thought, but I see no reason why LT is latching onto it. tl;dr: He believes everything in OWS's filter is reasonable including OWS calling Damdred town before Damdred claimed or posted his notes in the thread. I pressure him to see why he believes that is a reasonable thing, and he basically says "gut read". Really 45 pages of content and "gut read". Plus the response is so generic and contrived; it is hard to believe he even believes it. This guy did nothing to help town or be involved in town for 36 hrs, then he gave crap reads and not even a lot of them; did more nothing, then does this unbelievable air-ball stuff surrounding OWS calling Damdred town for inexplicable reasons. He is scum kill with fire. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien am i right in believing that u think lt is scummy because he defended obi while obi was defending damdred? | ||
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On November 03 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Heh. These people I can lynch today if I had to lynch someone right now: jrkirby risk.nuke Misder Seuss I'm tentatively including Oats, but I'm relatively omgus-y right now and I'm not sure if it's personal or not. He probably isn't getting lynched today anyway so that might be fine. As for the names I listed, I don't have spectacular reasons for all of them yet. They're mostly PoE'd out of the people I don't want to lynch for one reason or another. All of them feel relatively forgettable and useless, and neither of those traits are good on day 1. I'm going to switch between filter diving and playing Street Fighter or something for the next couple of hours. One of my specific filter targets is going to be LT since he's becoming a hot topic. Fwiw, I know he has a scummy day 1 meta like me so take that as you will. can u explain how you came to those 4 ppl? | ||
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On November 03 2014 02:04 Damdred wrote: HF why are you giving so much pressure to obis defense of me? I admit I'm biased towards obi I think thread context in a few points make him look better for instance. But you give one post towards Lt who's read/defense of me looks worse than obis? Also we should consider GB at this point, hasn't delivered cases, play has fallen through the floor and is playing towards his scum meta really hard he's been aggresive pressuring ppl, can u elaborate on his scum meta? | ||
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On November 03 2014 03:11 GlowingBear wrote: .: Circumstance, master of passivity A quick skim through his filter will show that he is the most passive player on the thread. Who is his top scum read? Nobody knows. Who does he think is town? Nobody knows. Not only he refuses to point fingers of suspicion, he also doesn't try to push the thread forward. He did it once. Just once. With oats. But it was still wishy washy. This is solely my case on him. I'll analyse his passivity post by post now, and bring minor arguments on him. Just click on spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2014 12:01 Circumstance wrote: First game on TL, using TL's systems, thank God I'm town, makes things a lot easier. (Question: If someone votes in the separate thread, is that vote binding for the day?) Bad entrance. Downgrades his play (hi guys, I'm new on TL) and forced town claim (I'm town lololol makes things easier(?)). Doesn't look like a natural town writing style to me. As I said before, scum has a hard time trying to put himself in the game. Their writing style is mostly forced. On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote: I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread. You see, he doesn't compromises himself here in any position. He says people seems forced to post and that was an null tell from Kirby, BUT he also thinks that my push on him is also null. An innocent misread. So both of us were null at that time. I don't believe this. In a jokey atmosphere, when someone does what I did, there is clearly a motivation behind it. Which means 1) I'm town trying to bring serious discussion to the topic 2) I'm town having a scumread 3) I'm scum trying to look townie 4) I'm scum trying to pick on a bad post from town. That's what you can understand from my post. There is no space for "innocent misread". On October 31 2014 12:23 Circumstance wrote: Because I'm not ready to call out potential scum this early in, and the subject matter is pretty innocuous. Plus, I've dealt with a fair number of games where someone from town made these kind of quick claims that did not always pan out. Translation: I don't want to bring attention. On October 31 2014 12:51 Circumstance wrote: Just making things clear - if you didn't read portions of the thread, then what makes you say it's all fluff? "Just making things clear" = I'm not calling you scum for that, I just want clarification. Please don't be angry at me. On October 31 2014 13:45 Circumstance wrote: But the post specifically stated a goal of eliminating the Horde, which someone (don't remember who) suggested would be the Mafia. So what I'm wondering is, was Mr. Bigglesworth a sort of game event, or is there a Kel'Thuzad role? Useless WIFOM. Disconnected conclusions. "Horde may be mafia, therefore... IS THE CAT A SORT OF EVENT OR THERE IS A KEL THUZAD ROLE?" On October 31 2014 15:15 Circumstance wrote: I don't know enough about explanaition posts to try and write soomething super-detailed, and there isn't all too much just yet to go off of, so I'm just gonna give a brief explanation for my first formal action. The early suspicion for me is on Oats. A quick filter seems to show him being rather "floaty" - posting often enough to be seen as active, replying to discussion posts enough to be seen as involved, but not contributing to those same discussions enough to be seen as the originator of any idea. It seems like he's going out of his way not to initiate or develop any reads, not to move discussions forward, but merely to antagonize, to take existing discussions and say "this is bad, this is wrong, you don't know what you're doing". I can't tell if it's meant as a way to gain the trust of other players or something else entirely, but ATM, this doesn't feel like the way someone acts if they want the town to be moving towards any meaningful conclusion. Seuss, I understand where you're coming from on GB, but for my money, I think we might be learning more if we ##Analyze: Oatsmaster "EARLY" suspicion. Translation = "this is not going to hold water for long" Analyze Oats. Do not vote for him. NOW, THE MOST ILLUSTRATIVE POST: On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? So, after being afk, he comes to the thread, HE IS OK WITH THE RNG LYNCH AS PLAN B, but he is NOT SOLD ON NUKE'S CASE and ASKS FOR ANOTHER ONE? Wow. He still has no scumread. He is not convinced of lynching anyone. And he does not take any stance. In this post, he is: 1) Mostly ok with lynching anyone 2) Not ready enough to sheep a case (still avoiding getting attention) 3) Never taking stances On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote: Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want. As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water. He doesn't want to bring attention, again. Like, lol, "my opinion isn't relevant, so I'm not giving it" lolololol. That's all. If you don't want to read everything, read the last two quotes. ##Vote: Circumstance i posted in an earlier post when obi questioned me about circumstance that i found him hesistant and apprehensive and to borrow ur words passive. Now i played like this in my first game here as town, so i think this is genuine and i saw myself in his posts. | ||
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On November 03 2014 05:05 Seuss wrote: Hello again. The timing of Damdred's vote-extension is scummy as hell. Almost immediately after GlowingBear began asserting that he'd caught Damdred in a lie, Damdred breadcrumbed his role and shortly thereafter that Follow the Rules happened. This play screams, "Shit I've been caught, better use my power to save myself." I'd expect a Town player to expend far more effort trying to preserve their useful power than just blow it on themselves the moment they get in trouble. On that note I'm suspicious of LordTolkien because of his defense of Damdred. I think there's a pretty good that he's scum if Damdred is. At best LordTolkien is oblivious to the scrutiny Damdred was already under, and at worst he's trying to reframe events to make Damdred's desperate act of self-preservation seem Towny. I'm a little suspicious of Obiwan as well but it would be pretty horrible play for two scum to come out with the same bad/oblivious "what's the scum motivation" defense when there's such an obvious scum motivation. are u saying all 3 of them are scummy? who is the most scummiest? | ||
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On November 03 2014 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote: This is a good point about Damdred that was also brought up by BH. Ugh..I could still lynch Damdred.  Can we also lynch risk.nuke? ##DoubleLynch: Activate is this a joke or for real lol | ||
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On November 03 2014 05:50 risk.nuke wrote: How is it hilarious. I've already told you that I am following the thread. I didn't really see a point to popping up a couple of times to say I'm to busy to do much today. The abillity was pro town. The way you used it was so not. i seriously do not understand this guy | ||
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On November 03 2014 06:06 Misder wrote: Sorry - admittedly once I read that the day got extended when I was catching up I decided I was too busy irl to care to post. Im still going to be afk for 2 hours tho. Some thoughts before then: I don't see damdred's breadcrumb/use of power scummy. Given the activity it didn't even seem like there would be enough time to get everyone on a damdred wagon. The notes thing I'm sure what to think about - need to read more carefully to see if he actually purposely lied or he just didon't have time. I'm surprised mafia hasn't chosen me as the best mislynch target given that I've been afk for so long/and some ppl think I'm scummy lol. I was realul expecting a wagon on me when I got to catching up. I only skimmed but I do not lIke ows response to hf pressure. Seemed like a lot of defensiveness and not trying to get anything done. OK I'll be back for the deadline dw. i hope this guy really posted 2 hrs later | ||
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On November 03 2014 06:41 jrkirby wrote: Ok, I'm reading up, page 62 atm, but I need to post right now: Why the fuck would you lynch lurker's who haven't voted? Voting is mandatory! If they don't vote, they get replaced. Lynch a lurker who HAS voted. Circumstance and risk.nuke haven't voted. MISDER has! do u have any scum reads that aren't lurkers? | ||
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On November 03 2014 06:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I should be back for deadline, but wound up getting called in to work. Phoneposting atm. Misder popping in when he did is kind of weird, but I want to see what he says in his catch up before I make a more accurate judgement. His analysis is superficial which bothers me, but I might be biased since he called me scummy for a nonreason. LT looks okay and I don't particularly want to lynch him. His read on Damdred is kind of weird and his filter is kind of small but I don't see anything overtly scummy in his filter. I really don't see any better lynches than risk atm. That's where my vote is going. I should be home an hour or two before deadline to rethink things if something major comes up. do u always omgus everyone who thinks ur scum lol | ||
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On November 03 2014 06:46 risk.nuke wrote: Because double lynches are very powerful and can be especially useful when you want to up towns killing ability. Using it out of nowhere with no forewarning, on day 1 and with a couple of hours until deadline is about as terribly as you can use the ability from town perspective. Since I know Viscera isn't that stupid he couldn't possibly be town if he had done that. Additionally to had used it to try to push for my lynch as a lurker on day 1 when I've been clear I won't be active until day 2 just screams mafia. i wont be active until day 2...wtf??? | ||
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On November 03 2014 07:13 Lord Tolkien wrote: People I currently peg as solid town, HF: can never read him riotsky: i am sheep and HF is muh welsh shepherd (also other reasons that i dont need to go over) VE: double-lynch is always pro town, and my town read on him hasn't changed GB: meeeeeeta read, also he's not playing passive scummerdoge game Slam: his "theory" makes me peg him as donkey town lel Scummerdoges Jaybrundage: clearly not an OMGUS read, no siree (I actually want to see if anyone picks up on it) liancourt: (also want to see if anyone picks up on the reasoning here) circumstance: reasons, but because he's also clearly scum with liancourt are u going to explain why i'm scum with circ? | ||
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On November 03 2014 07:42 risk.nuke wrote: I don't understand how anyone would want to lynch me before day2 when I've actually said I'll contribute. As opposed to today where I'm currently still unpacking and doesn't have a fair chance of looking through thoroughly these 60+ pages. Is it a mistake that jkirbys vote counts for two? Have I missed something or is it a hidden ability or host-error. why should we give u a free pass for day 1? If everyone said that what would happen to the thread? | ||
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On November 03 2014 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so like most of my townies are on LT so I'm voting for LT. We need majority and it's time to do this. ##Vote: Lord Tolkein sounds like bandwagoning man. If we didn't need a majority who would u vote? | ||
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On November 03 2014 08:50 GlowingBear wrote: DAMDRED. Or circumstance. You have a joker role, LT. I'm almost sure of it. how in the hell did u come up with this conclusion??? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:06 Lord Tolkien wrote: Back. dang, jester fakeclaim didn't convince anyone? oh ffs fine Claiming Northshire Cleric. No idea what my night actions are, but presumably medic. And now I die at night. Whewt. wtf is this? | ||
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