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On October 12 2014 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is maybe the lowest activity game I've ever played in thus far...not entirely surpriused but still.
So am I to understand then that
a) Tolkien as confirmed town you're not going to bother to play the game? Surely as confirmed town it is your duty to steer the town in the right direction so you can help us win, correct?
b) Jeff you just don't give any shits at all?
Maybe. Perhaps. Eventually. I SUPPOSE I could.
I'll just say we should policy lynch lurkers. It always works in newbie games, and this is in effect a newbie game SO...
+ Show Spoiler +Also Wave, i have 5 games you can read. :D You could look through it for any clues, as I do have a game as scum in there + Show Spoiler +which I would've won if it weren't for that next-to-last day cop claim and check, despite having my buddy lynched D1 lel
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On October 12 2014 03:48 Requizen wrote:
Why is asking for roles scummy? Maybe people are more truthful than you'd like to believe.
Voting at this stage seems dumb. No one has said anything to out themselves in any real way, other than the really long posts which make me think they're too tryhard to be Town.
But I've never played TL mafia so what do I know.
It has absolutely nothing at all to do with lying or telling the truth. Do you think it's good strategy for let's say, a cop to out himself before he can even get a check off, allowing the scum to kill him N1 for free? Do you think we should have our medic tell us who he is?
And how is voting dumb exactly? To those who care about the game, voting is absolutely everything. It is the only way most town members can exert any pressure at all and it is the only way at all we can win.
Are you going to play, or are you just going to bitch?
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On October 12 2014 03:40 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 03:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 02:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Vote Count
WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE
Alzadar (1): Cixah
AsmodeusXI (1): WaveofShadow
GhandiEAGLE (0): WaveofShadow
Not voting (11): The rest
Currently, Waveofshadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in
Remember that voting is mandatory.
This votecount is correct. Wat. OH. I see. You're gonna be anal about capitalizing the "Vote", huh. Well anyways, going back to afking in confirmed town glory. I confirmed it for you guys earlier, IF YOU RECALL. How are you confirmed town exactly? All you've asked is take my word for it without actually posting anything relevant at all. :|
Did you not see me both calling that I was town, then confirming it right after I read my PM? Clear town confirm here.
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On October 12 2014 03:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wave, I do give a shit you scummy scummer scum. Nobody's helping me lynch your lying ass though.
Then do something productive, because this isn't it.
I know you're in elementary school and all, but calling me names isn't going to do anyone any good.
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On October 12 2014 03:50 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
owb is a lurker. If he doesn't post, then someone can vig him or he'll be modkilled.
Random thoughts:
Pretty sure Req has no idea at all how to play or what he's doing. I know i said I wouldn't do this, but it just doesn't seem likely to me that he's scum actively bluefishing in the thread. His scumteam would not be happy with that (though obviously if the scumteam is equally newbie it doesn't mean much).
Mordek you've had almost a day and a fair number of pages of thread. Surely you can give us a little more than that. Thoughts on Soniv? Alzadar? What do you think of my vote on Asmo?
And for that matter is anyone else in this game actually going to drop a vote at any point in time? First impressions on Soniv were actually scum. I honestly don't know what to think of you two with the early banter. Alzadar looked suspicious but I think I was "bandwagoning" with a bunch of posts saying what he was doing was suspicious. Asmo didn't seem to post out of character from his normal self but it's day 1 or w/e and its hard to see where words don't match actions. I was giving it some thought while working on the yard and I think I'm most convinced of Cixah. He read you as 55% scum. To me this is weird as I think you'd either be entirely convinced your town and setting the right environment or entirely convinced you're making some huge epic mafia play and pulling the wool over all our eyes. Seems to tentative. I understand doubts but feels like that and the 51/49 split is also just trying not to stick your neck out. I'm not sure if this is a good read but I will confidently assert it and meet any rebuttals with an open mind. Also I followed your advise and read all about WIFOM and the Princess Bride. How do you not make a WIFOM argument before a lynching? I thought Req's post about everything being confusing and angry was a sign he's not in the informed minority but that could also be a nice play on his part.
Ah, refreshing. A post I like.
On October 12 2014 04:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 03:40 Cixah wrote:On October 12 2014 03:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 02:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Vote Count
WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE
Alzadar (1): Cixah
AsmodeusXI (1): WaveofShadow
GhandiEAGLE (0): WaveofShadow
Not voting (11): The rest
Currently, Waveofshadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in
Remember that voting is mandatory.
This votecount is correct. Wat. OH. I see. You're gonna be anal about capitalizing the "Vote", huh. Well anyways, going back to afking in confirmed town glory. I confirmed it for you guys earlier, IF YOU RECALL. How are you confirmed town exactly? All you've asked is take my word for it without actually posting anything relevant at all. :| Did you not see me both calling that I was town, then confirming it right after I read my PM? Clear town confirm here.
6ah plz. Tolkien is obviously confirmed town.
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/srsface on
Req, asking to out blue roles before they've done ANYTHING is the scummiest thing you can do. srs
There are a few roles that MUST claim D1 like Miller, or Wanderer. Any role that could be detrimental to town. But D1 cop claims or medic claims or vigi claims are stupid and you should feel like scum.
/srsface off
im on a boat
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/srsface on
**unless you're about to get lynched D1. A cop claim response to being D1 mislynched. is acceptable
/srsface off
IM AN ADULT
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I'm saying voting is pointless right now because no one has said anything that says to me "yeah this person is totally this role or that role". Everyone is just asking one another what they think about things based on basically nothing. Seems silly to me.
But, if I may intuit based on who our organizer is, the most senior player is either Townie or low level scum. Because that's what I would do and Dandel gets me. And since your first post was so adamant to make sure people thought you were town:
##Vote WaveOfShadow
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
One of the greatest experiences driving a car is reversing. It where man takes control of a multi-tonne steel behemoth that is a feat of engineering and honed into being a dedicated transport designed to move forward, but forces it to move in the completely opposite direction that its life purpose was built for. It where a driver can show their skill as care and dedication must be shown for it is a delicate act. But most importantly, it is a time where action is taken.
And reversing is exactly what I think of when I read WaveofShadow's first post for it encapsulates all that I list above. I agree with Cixah that declaring to be Vanilla Townie and asking for protection is extremely weird. The scum I assume all know who each other are right? Or else they might actually kill one of their own during night? Like having the Goon kill the big boss grand daddie is just weird. So they already know who all the non-scum Townies are anyway.
When it comes Night and the scum choose who to kill they're taking a guess anyway who they want to kill. So asking for protection if you're Vanilla is super weird because shouldn't you want the Doctor to protect someone else? Like if the Mafia go after Wave ok fine we lose a boring no one. If they go after someone else there's now a higher chance that they kill someone important because they have a smaller list of Townies too look at. (Simple math. Picking the cop randomly out of say 3 people is more likely than picking randomly out of 4 people.)
The way I see it, calling yourself out like that makes no logical sense from the perspective of a vanilla townie. And a vanilla townie has no reason not to be logical because their motives are really straightforward. So Wave is either a Townie with a special role, or actually scum trying to fake it until he makes it. This is made more likely by the fact that as the most experienced TL mafia player* it makes sense for Dandel lon to give him a role. This is what makes me think, if he does have a role how would be communicate it? I am still not sure what the solution would be, but the idea seems to be just pretend to be a regular townie.
So we again reverse as we go from Wave being vanilla townie into scum or townie with a role. But I think the biggest change when you grab the gear stick and shift into reverse should be to drive away from Wave and focus on something else. Continued focus only acts as a red fish of the herring persuasion.
In reality all serious arguments postulated by all here aren't really of much use on Day 1 where there is no real substantial information that can be gleaned as of yet with feints, counter feints and Xanatos Gambits** galore.
The only real indicator you can have that allows a simple binary yes/no on Day 1 without trying to double read yourself is level of engagement. Whether town or town-pretending scum you should be wanting to be engaged in the game. Engagement is not a matter of post counts, but more about how you post in my opinion.*** It is like questioning who a real driver is. The man with the most expensive and compensating car is not a real driver unless he truly understands how to reverse. It is a win all around - if they are scum trying to hide we kill them and if not we get rid of a person who's not really interested in the game and have a batter game!
So reverse we shall away from the focus of "he said, she said" details and to engagement. Lord Tolkein, AsmodeusXI and Requizen have the absolute worst engagement out of everyone here. Out of them Lord Tolkein has played 3 games and the other have never played before.**** I honestly think we should be talking about them. Asmo has said he will post again later but Tolkein and Req's posts have just been weird.
Footnotes:
* I assume these numbers are correct? My mod tools say most of his posts are in Mafia so I'm willing to believe it.
** Obligatory TVTropes warning.
*** Cause you know, real life and stuff like being a yuppie.
**** Again referring to that post from Alzadar on the assumption it is correct.
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On October 12 2014 03:48 Requizen wrote:
Why is asking for roles scummy? Maybe people are more truthful than you'd like to believe.
Voting at this stage seems dumb. No one has said anything to out themselves in any real way, other than the really long posts which make me think they're too tryhard to be Town.
But I've never played TL mafia so what do I know.
Is that a real question? The only ones who would actually want to know what roles are this early is scum. There is no reason for anyone that is pro-town to declare their role. Asking for roles doesn't have anything to do with honesty or not. Also, for someone who actively participated in quite a few pages since the games started, you are pretending that you don't know who is declared as what. The only thing the post achieves is it gives you excuses to pretend that "you weren't paying attention" or something similar like that. There's also the fact that you don't declare anything yourself despite asking other people to do the same. I don't see that post as anything but scummy. So again, I'm asking you. If you had to make a decision right now, who do you see as scummy and who do you see as town? If nothing changes, I'm 100% voting on you because your post gives me a lot of red flags.
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On October 12 2014 04:12 Requizen wrote:
I'm saying voting is pointless right now because no one has said anything that says to me "yeah this person is totally this role or that role". Everyone is just asking one another what they think about things based on basically nothing. Seems silly to me.
But, if I may intuit based on who our organizer is, the most senior player is either Townie or low level scum. Because that's what I would do and Dandel gets me. And since your first post was so adamant to make sure people thought you were town:
##Vote WaveOfShadow
What?
What are you even saying?
You do know that the roles are randomized, right?
I mean I get your reasoning for the last part but ugh.
I hate it so much when people try to play mafia and base their shit on hosting in any way.
It's so fucking dumb and always ends badly.
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I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know.
As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me.
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Real life always has a way of kicking my ass whenever I decide to play mafia. Got caught up in the Homecoming weekend festivities and haven't really been on the Internet at all the past 18 hours. Haven't even been lurking as I haven't even read any posts since the game started. Clearly I have a lot to catch up on. I'm even writing this during my work shift because I'm supposed to be meeting my dad right after this finishes. That said, as soon as I get a decent amount of free time I'm gonna catch up on the thread and post my thoughts. Figured I'd check in so you guys at least didn't have to worry about me getting modkilled.
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On October 12 2014 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 04:12 Requizen wrote:
I'm saying voting is pointless right now because no one has said anything that says to me "yeah this person is totally this role or that role". Everyone is just asking one another what they think about things based on basically nothing. Seems silly to me.
But, if I may intuit based on who our organizer is, the most senior player is either Townie or low level scum. Because that's what I would do and Dandel gets me. And since your first post was so adamant to make sure people thought you were town:
##Vote WaveOfShadow What? What are you even saying? You do know that the roles are randomized, right? I mean I get your reasoning for the last part but ugh.
I hate it so much when people try to play mafia and base their shit on hosting in any way.It's so fucking dumb and always ends badly.
And I'm supposed to know this how? I have never played and did not have this explained to me. Stop expecting me to know this shit yo.
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@ Req and Moonbear:
On October 10 2014 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
I should probably note that that is absolutely not required since I'm going to completely RNG the roles and alignments
We shouldn't base anything off of "what would Dandelion pick", because he said it's random.
Still waiting for Cixah or Req to explain what made them suspicious of me without resorting to repeating Wave and Soniv. And claiming innocence based on noobiness is garbage because we're almost all noobs here.
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lol. MB see my post directed at Req above.
Why the fuck does Alzadar's 'look how many games so and so have played' shit list keep popping up?
I honestly can't believe anyone at all thought it had any use whatsoever.
I'm debating voting Req for a couple of reasons.
First of all, shitting on town tactics and atmosphere is scum motive---causes confusion, demoralizes, makes people angry.
Second, there is barely any effort being put forward.
The issue of course is the fact that this could simply be how Req plays the game of mafia. Soniv I'm interested in your thoughts. You know why. In fact I think I asked for your opinion on something else a little earlier and I'm not sure if you gave it.
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On October 12 2014 04:20 Requizen wrote:
I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know.
As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me.
pls, this is like a play I would make in live mafia.
d1 policy lynch inc
Note I was always town whenever I get policy-lynched in live.
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My other read is Jeff has not yet denied being scum that I remember. From what I've read he's behaved in classic mafia style in shifting the accusation. He's contributed nothing to promote the town's agenda.
@Req, I totally get what you're saying but voting is the only real way to put your money where your mouth is. It's an action instead of just words.
I'll take my own advice. I have a hunch Cixah is scum and I'll back it up with a vote:
##Vote Cixah
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And for those talking about how they didn't know:
On October 10 2014 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
I should probably note that that is absolutely not required since I'm going to completely RNG the roles and alignments
No johns, ladies and gents.
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On October 12 2014 04:14 MoonBear wrote:
snip so I dont repost it on the same page
I have a real problem with this post. Mostly, I think there's a lot of parroting and bandwagoning on in regards to Wave who isn't really even the biggest scum read for me. You talk about logic, and then pretend that dandel ion would specifically pick Wave to be mafia/a role just because of his veteran status. That cannot be true at all. The roles are all randomized. We all know this. There is no fudging in between. I have serious problems with that
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