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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 11 2014 22:52 Requizen wrote: I'm ready for it to get a bit morw aggro, but right now it's just Ghandhi and Wave fighting. I vote we kill them both and be done with it. Are Jeff and Wave your scumreads? What do you think of Alzadar and Swaglord? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Alzadar is very dodgy. Either he's just overly cautious or he's totally scum. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On October 11 2014 23:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: ^ Alaric, I love your skepticism, don't lose it. Keep in mind, even if Jeff does flip red (assuming he ends up being the lynch target), that does not at all prove Wave's towniness on its own merit - bussing a teammate is a common strategy, and a scum Wave would know how to do it. Wave's claiming protection was probably the sketchiest thing he's done thus far, but it's at least got viability behind it - if he comes out the gates as a super aggressive townie, pinpoints a scum and goes right for him, you bet your ass Wave will be a top priority scum target. That said, Wave, we are still waiting for you to tell us why Jeff is scum. His posting is standard Jeff, which is unfortunate. I hope he starts taking the game seriously. ____________________ @Cixah: Swaglord is on your scummy list - ok, I agree. He has had bullshit, contentless posts thus far. But so has Jeff. There's not a whole lot to go on either of them, but Jeff is relatively fine in your eyes? [Wave being your top read for the one reason you've given is honestly a bit silly. Also - We will not know KP for sure until end of N1, and even then, all we'll know is how many people died. It won't tell us whether they're scum KP, town KP, etc. So we can get a rough idea once there's evidence, but speculating about numbers now, especially this early, isn't that useful. That's all the "hard" thinking I can do until I get some coffee in me. I more than likely should have ordered that better. Alzadar is my #1 scum read right now. Wave is solid number 2, but I can't really place my third. Until Wave responds on his "attack" on Jeff it will most likely stay that way. Jeff's posts are consistent Jeff. His one liners along with the subtle jabs make him look scummy even if we aren't playing. I have no read because there is nothing to read at the moment for Jeff. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 11 2014 22:37 Cixah wrote: I think you did it just for the sake of starting the game which is fine. I just wanted your opinion before I generally just wrote off anything else said. Vanilla Town claim is awkward because it doesn't really further the game at all and yet here we are 3 pages later still talking about it. I don't like the call for protection that early. It makes me think you scummy because why wouldn't scum want steal the protect for their selves? Ghandi, Why are you a scum bag? You mean here you are still talking about it. Nobody else really did much. On October 11 2014 22:52 Requizen wrote: I'm ready for it to get a bit morw aggro, but right now it's just Ghandhi and Wave fighting. I vote we kill them both and be done with it. lolwut Show me where we've been fighting. At least you're playing a little now. Alright good posts in the last little while. I'll come clean a little---it was obvious to some of you but to others not so much---I don't have anything concrete on Jeff. Wanted to see if I could make him play the game a little essentially and see how he'd react. It might be a little early to give that up right now but I grow bored of it and would like to focus people's attention elsewhere. My vote on him stays though until he does play the game---as people have said he has done nothing but troll and be typical Jeff at this point. If he's scum and is not help[ing town then great. If he's town and is being useless, I don't have a massive problem ridding the town of chaff D1 (though it would probably be better served as a vig shot if his play is still egregious). Soniv some questions for you, good buddy. You had no problem with my attack on Jeff at the start, but as time goes on you seem to take more and more issue with it? Why the change in opinion exactly? As far as people's opinions on my claiming protection---plz. Maybe 6ah can be excused a little bit for attacking me on it here (and whoever else did? I forget) but you Soniv....I dunno man. Of course it doesn't make any sense at all to ask for protection from a realistic POV at the start of the game before anything has happened. But it serves two purposes: first, early WIFOM against the scumteam if our protection does (and probably should imo) at least consider it. Second, a show of confidence and bravado seems to be exactly what town needed to stir things up just a little bit. The best reaction to my opening post however goes to Alaric who saw through everything basically immediately---on it's own that doesn't necessarily prove him town or scum, just an insightful player, but in combination with the fact that he came up with the exact same points in his posts that Soniv and I came up with in pregame on TS about Req and others exhibits a townie mindset, and good critical thinking that I think almost everyone else in the game lacks so far. People need to stop simply focusing on what I (and others) are posting but why? What is the motivation behind it? Is it scum or town, and why? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 11 2014 11:25 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm also town as fuck. Too bad I can't concentrate on this yet while I'm watching all this Arrow. Now just to decide who is the guiltiest sounding mafia vet... Oh actually you know what? ##Unvote ##Vote: AsmodeusXI This is the scummiest post in the thread. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Why bother posting that at all if you don't feel guilty about lack of presence in the thread thus far? It's a show that serves absolutely no town-aligned purpose. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 11 2014 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote: You mean here you are still talking about it. Nobody else really did much. lolwut Show me where we've been fighting. At least you're playing a little now. Alright good posts in the last little while. I'll come clean a little---it was obvious to some of you but to others not so much---I don't have anything concrete on Jeff. Wanted to see if I could make him play the game a little essentially and see how he'd react. It might be a little early to give that up right now but I grow bored of it and would like to focus people's attention elsewhere. My vote on him stays though until he does play the game---as people have said he has done nothing but troll and be typical Jeff at this point. If he's scum and is not help[ing town then great. If he's town and is being useless, I don't have a massive problem ridding the town of chaff D1 (though it would probably be better served as a vig shot if his play is still egregious). Soniv some questions for you, good buddy. You had no problem with my attack on Jeff at the start, but as time goes on you seem to take more and more issue with it? Why the change in opinion exactly? As far as people's opinions on my claiming protection---plz. Maybe 6ah can be excused a little bit for attacking me on it here (and whoever else did? I forget) but you Soniv....I dunno man. Of course it doesn't make any sense at all to ask for protection from a realistic POV at the start of the game before anything has happened. But it serves two purposes: first, early WIFOM against the scumteam if our protection does (and probably should imo) at least consider it. Second, a show of confidence and bravado seems to be exactly what town needed to stir things up just a little bit. The best reaction to my opening post however goes to Alaric who saw through everything basically immediately---on it's own that doesn't necessarily prove him town or scum, just an insightful player, but in combination with the fact that he came up with the exact same points in his posts that Soniv and I came up with in pregame on TS about Req and others exhibits a townie mindset, and good critical thinking that I think almost everyone else in the game lacks so far. People need to stop simply focusing on what I (and others) are posting but why? What is the motivation behind it? Is it scum or town, and why? Because as time went on, you never provided a reason. I'm as up for a good Jeff-lynching as the next guy, but the longer someone goes without actually giving a reason, the more it falls apart. You asked me to vote for someone, I said "no, give me a reason". You still didn't provide a reason, and as you've now admitted, your vote was for the exact reasons I knew it was, and it gained exactly as much traction as I said it would. + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2014 10:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've really only played 13 games? wow Oh, no no no, of course I wouldn't let you do all the work. But I'm sorry to disappoint, I tend to be a vote prude in the early days. It doesn't mean a whole lot right now, and unless I really want to pressure someone in particular (and think my vote will actually do that), I keep my vote in my pocket for a bit. He has no fear of actually being lynched, even if several people jumped on it because D1 is almost never as clean cut as that. Now that we're starting to move towards the halfway point, votes and cases will actually hold some clout. I'm reserving my thoughts on Asmo until he makes more than 1 shitty post. Actually that goes for most of y'all, make some [less shitty] posts. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I still think Jeff has a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but Asmo's right now is higher. The problem I have with you is you do a lot of sitting back and watching/waiting and you are very reserved in terms of your stance taking. You take your time to answer a lot of other people's questions, and ask some of your own, great. But where is your direction? You have none that I can see, and I don't like it. You're aimlessly floating wherever the thread goes. I think I had a townread on you earlier but that has pretty much dissipated. + Show Spoiler + Meta says this is perhaps how you play, but it doesn't look great and meta is shit anyway. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 12 2014 00:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I've caught scum on single posts before. It's completely doable. I still think Jeff has a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but Asmo's right now is higher. The problem I have with you is you do a lot of sitting back and watching/waiting and you are very reserved in terms of your stance taking. You take your time to answer a lot of other people's questions, and ask some of your own, great. But where is your direction? You have none that I can see, and I don't like it. You're aimlessly floating wherever the thread goes. I think I had a townread on you earlier but that has pretty much dissipated. + Show Spoiler + Meta says this is perhaps how you play, but it doesn't look great and meta is shit anyway. lol your spoiler was my answer I agree that you can absolutely catch someone off of one post. But there's one thing you have to remember - we're in a game with people who have never played mafia before. I totally remember my first game and having no idea what to post. That said, I did post, and while you really want to pressure people, I'm trying to get the lay of the land. In the last two games I've played, I tried to be super aggressive and confident about my reads. They were almost all awful - see your league game and whatever game we played in together before that. On top of that, I've always been reserved D1, so I'm sorry if that offends your oppa gungho style, but that's the way it's going to be for now. My direction - Alzadar is scummiest. If he continues to not give real posts in the face of me continually telling him to contribute, then I will happily lynch his face away. Swaglord and Jeff are equally scummy in my eyes, if not a bit more on swaglord because I expected more from him, but I don't remember if I've actually played with him. Alaric is the towniest townie that ever did town. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 12 2014 00:22 AsmodeusXI wrote: I also gotta read more closely to find the scummers. I'm mostly posting on the principle that a few crappy townie posts are better than scum lurking. Content is better than crappy posts. Meta says Tolkien is trolly but I've only seen one game of his so again, not going off of that. I truly don't have a problem with Tolkien right now and don't find him scummy---I imagine he'll return to actually post something of substance soon. I don't remember you being aggressive or confident in either of the games you listed, and it's weird that you would defend yourself with meta by saying that you're playing differently from your town games. As for your direction the post on Alzadar is all well and good, but telling somebody to contribute, and on top of that issuing an ultimatum for all to see with no balls behind the post, and giving him plenty of wiggle room by describing exactly how he must appease you---what does that accomplish exactly? | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On October 11 2014 21:52 Cixah wrote: Question for Alzadar: How Town is Wave for you? Wave is 70% Town. At this point he's really driving the discussion, I don't think he would such a central role if he was scum. I'd like to mention that MoonBear and ComaDose have made only the same kind of "observation with no conclusion" style posts that you all seem suspicious of me for. Which leads me to say - I feel like there must be some scum among those who are suspicious of me: after Wave and Soniv declared their suspicion I became an easy target for people to say "oh I'm suspicious of Alz" without actually contributing anything new. ketchup in particular has focused entirely on Wave and myself (both of us already being under suspicion when he did), and has basically only repeated arguments other people had already said. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 12 2014 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Content is better than crappy posts. Meta says Tolkien is trolly but I've only seen one game of his so again, not going off of that. I truly don't have a problem with Tolkien right now and don't find him scummy---I imagine he'll return to actually post something of substance soon. I don't remember you being aggressive or confident in either of the games you listed, and it's weird that you would defend yourself with meta by saying that you're playing differently from your town games. As for your direction the post on Alzadar is all well and good, but telling somebody to contribute, and on top of that issuing an ultimatum for all to see with no balls behind the post, and giving him plenty of wiggle room by describing exactly how he must appease you---what does that accomplish exactly? I issued an ultimatum? I wouldn't call it that, but ok, why is that entirely a bad thing. You're asking me to take a stance, and then when I do, you yell at me for taking too hard of a stance? How am I describing exactly how to appease me? By telling him he has to make real posts? Well yeah, I'd love to see some real posts so I can figure out his mindset, his motivations, his reads. And if he doesn't do anything to alter the opinion I have of him already, then yes, I will be happy to lynch him. I don't see why that's odd. And as far as I see it, you dicked around with a fake read that went nowhere, while I actually did have a scumread. Your Asmo scumread only comes recently (although I'll admit you have a fair chance right now of being right on that one). Hey BoonMear, what's on your mind? Your only contribution was a question about how cops should communicate their findings. Why is your interest only in the po-pos? What do you think about wave? About me? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 12 2014 00:39 Alzadar wrote: Wave is 70% Town. At this point he's really driving the discussion, I don't think he would such a central role if he was scum. I'd like to mention that MoonBear and ComaDose have made only the same kind of "observation with no conclusion" style posts that you all seem suspicious of me for. Which leads me to say - I feel like there must be some scum among those who are suspicious of me: after Wave and Soniv declared their suspicion I became an easy target for people to say "oh I'm suspicious of Alz" without actually contributing anything new. ketchup in particular has focused entirely on Wave and myself (both of us already being under suspicion when he did), and has basically only repeated arguments other people had already said. Ok, so who among your accusers (there really only have been a few) do you believe to be scum? Ketchup was actually fairly early on in the Alzadar and Wave suspicions. Do you think ketchup is scum? If not, who? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
More suspicious is Cixah, who showed up to the Alzaparty after you three, repeated what you'd already said and then voted. Then there's this kind of stupid post padding: On October 11 2014 11:14 Cixah wrote: Wave: 55% Scum, 45% Town. Ketchup: Reads town to me right now. Only slightly though, 51% T 49% S. 55-45? 51-49? These aren't reads... | ||
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