You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play.
I mean, part of the reason I mentioned games played is we can actually look at them. Apparently you guys are particularly suspicious of me when I tryhard and get information, but we can just look at past game threads and see how Wave posts when he's mafia vs town.
You go ahead and do that. Part of the reason why I win so many games as scum is people's terrible use of meta reads. It's precisely why I warned people before the game started.
Well I was actually advocated meta-meta reads earlier. But that's less valuable (or not at all) if everyone else is disregarding meta-information, as you seem to be.
Or at least, a bunch seem suspicious that I would post meta-information at all, and there's too many of you saying that for you to all be scum.
You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play.
I mean, part of the reason I mentioned games played is we can actually look at them. Apparently you guys are particularly suspicious of me when I tryhard and get information, but we can just look at past game threads and see how Wave posts when he's mafia vs town.
But you're not getting useful information, you're just doing things that are seemingly helpful. Who are your scum reads?
On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before?
This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum?
And what scum are these? Jeff? It's going to take more than a sweeping declarative first post saying "vote jeff" to make me want to vote anyone right now.
It shouldn't. Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever?
What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game
^ this basically would have been my response to wave
Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out.
In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side?
Jeff - why is Wave scum?
Wave - why is Jeff scum?
ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick?
I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it was not something I imagined Wave doing as the first post after game started so I naturally am cautious around it. I admit I have not played with Wave, but I feel that post is 100% questionable, and should be pointed out. This is especially compounded by the fact that it was also a really quick vote on someone. So, I called him out on it.
Don't let the fact that he did something unexpected color your judgement - posting in a mafia game is completely different. Let what he says color your opinion.
@Cixah - trying to decide if wave is just being aggressive townie or taking advantage of the lesser experienced crowd to make a bold play. I'm feeling the former is probably correct - he can be a bloodhound when he wants to.
Bold play plz. I've asked ketchup this multiple times and he hasn't answered my latest post towards him but I like that you actually had some input on what you think my intentions are. Big ol' townpoints for you.
On October 11 2014 10:41 ketchup wrote: Then again, honestly, I don't think he's scum. I just think he is not pointing out anything useful.
Well then neither are you.
I disagree with that completely. If you think Alzadar was WIFOM with his post about veteran players, then you should agree with me in regards to what he has done. He hasn't brought up relevant information about the game played, and is instead looking at out of game situations that don't really have anything to do with the game itself. Can you at least agree that what he did doesn't help town?
On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:39 ketchup wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:23 ketchup wrote: I honestly would have been less suspicious of Wave if all his post said was to vote ghandi because he is young as shit. Instead he had to color code everything! The color coding is way too strong for me. Wave please QQQQ
What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment?
It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQ
The Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way.
Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before?
This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum?
In actuality, I don't think your post actually did anything. The fact that you want to early vote ghandieagle is also really really odd. Why should I have to have played previously with you to know your intentions? It makes no sense. I look at what I'm seeing right now, and make a decision from there. I really dislike your spoiler too as it is written as if it is outside of the game, but everything posted is IN game.
The point is, if you don't think he's scum, then pointing out the useless stuff he has done serves no purpose whatsoever, similar to his own posting.
You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play. You also said you think my intentions are suspicious. What do you think they are exactly?
I was pretty sure I responded to these with my answers to jcarlsoniv, but I will answer it again.
Do I think Alzadar is scummy? I don't know because it is the first day. He is definitely more suspicious than the other people posting so far. Of course, I was trying to give him the benefit of doubt with my post because he has never played mafia before. I'm not 100% on him being scum, I just really dislike his posts so far.
Why are you trying to argue with me over a point we both know is true. His posts are not/were not helpful. Seeing how many games the participants in this game have played previously is not helpful for town. How else should I address that point? I wanted to see how Alzadar would respond to it, but he really hasn't given me anything.
Do I think your first post was scummy? I don't know, but I do lean towards it being suspicious. So I called you out on it. I don't think it was the worst post ever or anything, but it wasn't great for me. I didn't gain any information from it, and it could have potentially confused people more than anything else. Again, the early voting is odd because it doesn't help you gain any information from anyone in the game. I've already mentioned some of this in my interaction with soniv.
So, some questions of my own: What makes you so sure GhandiEagle is scum that you voted him that early?
You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play.
I mean, part of the reason I mentioned games played is we can actually look at them. Apparently you guys are particularly suspicious of me when I tryhard and get information, but we can just look at past game threads and see how Wave posts when he's mafia vs town.
But you're not getting useful information, you're just doing things that are seemingly helpful. Who are your scum reads?
So...
Wave isn't very suspicious to me, as the veteran player he made big early post to set some atmosphere, I wouldn't infer anything from that. Undecided.
Ghandi has only posted one-liner posts, accusing Wave most of the time. My current suspect.
You (soniv) actually seem to making the most direct posts/questions. No evasiness or wishy-washiness. Most likely Townie.
ketchup's pretty generic. I would be suspicious of him for being suspicious of me but there's a bunch of you who seem to hate meta-information, so I think he's actually Town.
Hm if we don't vote to lynch someone Day 1 we end up in Day 2 where the Scum get a free kill in exchange for information that the cop people can get. However, how do the cop people communicate their findings to us? And how would we tell if the cop is a real cop or just someone pretending to be them?
On October 11 2014 12:07 MoonBear wrote: Hm if we don't vote to lynch someone Day 1 we end up in Day 2 where the Scum get a free kill in exchange for information that the cop people can get. However, how do the cop people communicate their findings to us? And how would we tell if the cop is a real cop or just someone pretending to be them?
That's why we don't no-lynch. Cops have to play smart and stay alive long enough to get a bunch of checks off, and then reveal much later in the game, or they have to attempt to push a player whom they have a redcheck on without making it obvious that they have that check. As far as claiming/counterclaiming goes, I'm not going to talk about how that works because I don't want to give newer scum ideas. If there are vet scum on the team they'll know.
On October 11 2014 12:07 MoonBear wrote: Hm if we don't vote to lynch someone Day 1 we end up in Day 2 where the Scum get a free kill in exchange for information that the cop people can get. However, how do the cop people communicate their findings to us? And how would we tell if the cop is a real cop or just someone pretending to be them?
It's kinda up to the cop(s?) to figure out how/when to convey that information to us. Then it's up to us to figure out whether or not to trust that information.
These are things that shouldn't be worried about right now, cop(s) will only have information by Day 2 at the earliest.
On October 11 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Tolkien wrrryyyyyy
1) because you left me alone in THAT mafia game. It was so toxic, I got cancer and then had that cancer cured by the chemo.
2) You're Canadian and, speaking as a part-Canadian, it's a scientific fact that Canadians are not naturally aggressive. Indeed, centuries of evolutionary pressures wrought by predators such as the Polar Bear and the Quebecois has rendered the English subspecies of Canadians unfailingly polite and submissive, resorting to passive-aggressive harassment when threatened, and only fully showcasing its viciousness when confronted with helpless individuals, like baby seals.
That is why Wave. Science. I know you want to club Ghandi for nuking your homeland, you just gave your scum nature away.
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