EPTGhandiEAGLE (1): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE
Alzadar (1): Cixah
Not voting (11): The rest
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
GhandiEAGLE (1): WaveofShadow WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE Alzadar (1): Cixah Not voting (11): The rest Currently, GhandiEAGLE is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in Remember that voting is mandatory. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Just curious | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Since Wave was the first to vote for you you're getting lynched first. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Can we not lynch me pls | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Should you prove that you are town and not scum. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
kk | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote: oh so we decided on one person to vote guilty/inno, I don't just instantly die. kk So usually people want to know. Who do you think is scummy so far? What is your vote on Wave about? Is it only because he voted on you first? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 It's much harder to follow than I'd have thought, after a night I saw 3 pages and was all "oh, nothing unusual" but contrary to off-topic or GD I can't forget what most posts said after I read them.I'm a bit like ketchup at the moment, that is, Alzadar posts don't necessarily bring much (listing veterans can make sense, but how do you use the information? Sure as scum they're more dangerous on paper, but they're also more experienced as townie to help with reads), and more particularly Wave. What I mean is that I was surprised by how different his posting was from usual, esp. the assertive part since he seems quite self-conscious usually. I didn't pay attention to the Ghandi vote at first as I classified it as the usual joking around and "bullying" like Soniv did before the game started (and like we do all the time in TLLOLOTGDT). Apparently that was serious though, so, I guess we tryhard and better avoid light jokes because everything will get scrutinised? I don't see it scummy from Wave to start by accusing someone though. In my experience it just gets you lynched day 1 in IRL Werewolves but the setup's different, plus we can change votes anytime so I'll take that more as an attempt to pressure Ghandi and make him respond, help the game lift off, etc. Also that Wave is a veteran doesn't mean much, he's said often enough how bad he is at Mafia, and I don't think anyone would accuse him of having anticipated an off-topic Mafia one day and done it to make himself inconspicuous in advance. If anything I think we should focus more on Ghandi's answers than on the fact Wave accused him. I still have 2 questions though: why do you insist that we should protect you (especially if you claim you're vanilla, although we're all gonna claim that at the start anyway)? And On October 11 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: That's why we don't no-lynch. Cops have to play smart and stay alive long enough to get a bunch of checks off, and then reveal much later in the game, or they have to attempt to push a player whom they have a redcheck on without making it obvious that they have that check. As far as claiming/counterclaiming goes, I'm not going to talk about how that works because I don't want to give newer scum ideas. If there are vet scum on the team they'll know. I take the bolded part as a "I'm confident I'll live until claiming starts a few days down the line, and if there are veterans amongst the scum I'll be able to read them at that point by how they approach it". Is that what you're trying to tell us? | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Now as to the details of your post, you said we should focus more on ghandi, and yet you did no focusing on him at all in your post. I await your focus. As for the answers to your questions, I should be protected became scum are going to want to kill me after I am the one responsible for getting their teammate lynched on the first day. And as for counterclaiming, I'm trying not to discuss how scum strategy works so they don't use it against us if the time comes. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Randomly, We don't know KP until night 1 right? Do games normally say how many scum there are when the game starts? Either way, Top 3 Scum to me right now are: Wave Alzadar, the most likely to me. Tolkin Wave claims vanilla town which does absolutely nothing. Not a power role, and is asking for protection (this is more than likely just because he thinks he'll be targeted). I don't think he'll be lynched D1, but if he makes it through N1 I would be hessitant as to how much power he holds. Alzadar still hasn't made any town moves for me. Everything he says furthers mafia side more than Town for me. Tolkin could just straight up be bullshitting for D1, but all of his posts push to killing wave (whom is the only person who has claimed even if it is likely false). All 3 of these can't be correct, but by the way people are playing this is what it looks like to me. Question for Wave: Is Jeff actually Scum or did you just vote him because Jeff? Question for Alzadar: How Town is Wave for you? Question for Tolkin: Alaric and you get in a bar fight, who wins? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Also, like much of what everyone else has posted, I'm not sure how anything you write against anybody there makes them scum. Your points on alzadar are the most compelling of your three, though that's not saying a great deal since others have said it before. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Of course if he keeps posting one-liners that don't answer/contribute in another way he's going to look suspicious to me. I'd also like to know how Requizen feels about the game. It's not an accusation, but, well, you've often shown a defeatist/pessimistic attitude in the off-topic thread, and you may have gotten over it by now, but I just want to make sure you're not going to take it badly or get frustrated if someone starts questioning/accusing you? Only game I followed was the LoL Mafia (not even till the end, so verbose) and I remember gtrsrs basically afk-ing because he got sensitive over someone trying to get him lynched. Back to Wave, your point on the post I quoted is fair. It was the "if there are vets on the scum team they'll know" that made me tick, because I took it as "they'll do it and that'll make them recognisable" instead of "they'll be able to tell their teammates". However I'm not satisfied about why we should protect you. Sure if Ghandi flips scum it means you'll probably be a target and protecting the guy with good reads makes sense. But you haven't said anything so far about why you think he's scum so if he flips it'll be random chance. Also, you ask for protection at the same time as you accuse him, but we have the whole 24 hours of Night 1 to decide to protect you if he flips, right? So no need to even ask for that now, can just wait, and make your point once it happens. + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant] + I'd have nitpicked about your claim of WIFOM on the basis that you say the same "you have to protect me because scum will kill me", eg. if you're still alive and noone claims to have protected you you're likely scum, but then I realised it all hinges on the premise that Ghandi flips scum, and in that case you'd be stupid to make us lynch your own teammate, making the whole thing moot. Fuck this isn't necessarily hard but it's only the first 16 hours, there's going to be so much information to process later on. x_x In short, I see absolutely no reason to protect you until the lynch is flipped (assuming we do lynch Ghandi), and I don't like your being adamant that you found a scum without any reason given. You still strike me as townie, but I'd want your reasons for accusing Ghandi. Insisting that he's scum is odd if said reasons are "just stirring the pot to start things up" (which is a fair one in my book). TL;DR: - waiting on Ghandi posting "for real". No reads right now, but I'll be suspicious if he keeps doing one-lines - Wave sounds townie enough, but I still don't like his "protect me" command right off the bat, and how he hasn't provided any reason for Ghandi yet (but I'm still more interested about Ghandi's reaction than said reasons). - genuinely asking if Req will be fine if/when it gets "aggressive"? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
In most setups I've played it seems standard to have between 1/4th and 1/3rd of the players as scum, so I'd guess at 3~5 here. More like 3-4 because 5 in a 14-players setup seems preeeeetty scum-favoured. Also wtf why do you want me beaten up. Wave you keep pointing out that people make accusation and reads without any real argument behind it but you were the first to accuse someone (with a vote no less) and we're still waiting for any reason from you. Pot/kettle and all that. I'm not even accusing you I'm just asking for clarification, you straight want Ghandi lynched. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On October 11 2014 22:04 WaveofShadow wrote: 6ah I'd like you to answer your own question towards me before I answer it. Also, like much of what everyone else has posted, I'm not sure how anything you write against anybody there makes them scum. Your points on alzadar are the most compelling of your three, though that's not saying a great deal since others have said it before. I think you did it just for the sake of starting the game which is fine. I just wanted your opinion before I generally just wrote off anything else said. Vanilla Town claim is awkward because it doesn't really further the game at all and yet here we are 3 pages later still talking about it. I don't like the call for protection that early. It makes me think you scummy because why wouldn't scum want steal the protect for their selves? Ghandi, Why are you a scum bag? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I vote we kill them both and be done with it. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 11 2014 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I have to read the second half of your post but Alaric you are now officially my number one town read. ^ Alaric, I love your skepticism, don't lose it. Keep in mind, even if Jeff does flip red (assuming he ends up being the lynch target), that does not at all prove Wave's towniness on its own merit - bussing a teammate is a common strategy, and a scum Wave would know how to do it. Wave's claiming protection was probably the sketchiest thing he's done thus far, but it's at least got viability behind it - if he comes out the gates as a super aggressive townie, pinpoints a scum and goes right for him, you bet your ass Wave will be a top priority scum target. That said, Wave, we are still waiting for you to tell us why Jeff is scum. His posting is standard Jeff, which is unfortunate. I hope he starts taking the game seriously. ____________________ @Cixah: Swaglord is on your scummy list - ok, I agree. He has had bullshit, contentless posts thus far. But so has Jeff. There's not a whole lot to go on either of them, but Jeff is relatively fine in your eyes? Wave being your top read for the one reason you've given is honestly a bit silly. Also - We will not know KP for sure until end of N1, and even then, all we'll know is how many people died. It won't tell us whether they're scum KP, town KP, etc. So we can get a rough idea once there's evidence, but speculating about numbers now, especially this early, isn't that useful. That's all the "hard" thinking I can do until I get some coffee in me. | ||
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