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it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be
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I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.
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On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim.
But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you.
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On October 07 2014 00:58 batsnacks wrote:
Ebwop also how am I pointing fingers at random people? I'm only pointing fingers at people who claimed. I didn't make them claim. Also, I'm not scum reading anyone for claiming. Grack claimed and I don't scum read him. I am scum reading people for scummy reactions.
Although oats' reaction is slightly over the top which does make me wary and I do agree his reactions compared to gracks is somewhat more lets say lively I dont get the feeling he is scummy. Seems natural for town to react that way when someone questions your joke claim.
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On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though.
I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you.
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On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum
Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum?
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On October 07 2014 01:19 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:13 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:58 batsnacks wrote:
Ebwop also how am I pointing fingers at random people? I'm only pointing fingers at people who claimed. I didn't make them claim. Also, I'm not scum reading anyone for claiming. Grack claimed and I don't scum read him. I am scum reading people for scummy reactions. Although oats' reaction is slightly over the top which does make me wary and I do agree his reactions compared to gracks is somewhat more lets say lively I dont get the feeling he is scummy. Seems natural for town to react that way when someone questions your joke claim. It seems natural to start screaming when someone questions your joke claim? Does it also seem natural to claim and then immediately after say that claiming is "NEVER FUCKING BENEFICIAL [sic]"
Like I said joke claims. If he were serious itd be a different matter
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On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net
Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless.
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On October 07 2014 02:13 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? I find the act of seeking to trap someone town mindset, specially within the start of the game. It generates something to talk about which is good. You. Claimed with your first post in a "cute way" i don't like that. The way you are interacting with the oats/bats situation is weird, sets off my scumdar
That I am not bandwagoning on oats train?
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On October 06 2014 13:01 Alakaslam wrote:
See I swear I am vt
Other ppl claimed as well
I took it as a joke like all the first page posts. I took every post as fluff until the oats bats interaction.
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[B]On October 07 2014 02:16 OTE]On October 07 2014 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Hello Bamcis chef of the east side of the west.
You said I was skummi earlier with no reasons
I wants your reezinz
you claimed #lynchwithfire
how ever i don't like the smurff more since his claim was his first post + in a cute way[/QUOTE]
So ala did the same and just because I did it in a cute way you think I am scummy? A bit far fetched dont cha think?
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On October 07 2014 02:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:17 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:13 StorrZerg wrote:On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? I find the act of seeking to trap someone town mindset, specially within the start of the game. It generates something to talk about which is good. You. Claimed with your first post in a "cute way" i don't like that. The way you are interacting with the oats/bats situation is weird, sets off my scumdar That I am not bandwagoning on oats train? What oats train btw, he has 1 vote?
All the comments earlier were anti oats and then the RNG lynch came
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On October 07 2014 02:26 KelsierSC wrote:
So I have never played with bh but i really don't like what he just did.
firstly i thought we were looking along some interesting lines with hf and hell, then bh did this huge RNG nothingness that served nothing except to disrupt town.
he then tries to justify his rng like hey this is actually a good idea because he is inactive?
it introduces him to the thread in a splashy way but all it does.is disrupt town.
I agree. And whats more I think bh is serious about it.
Oh wait dont tell me its another trap!
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On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO
Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds.
And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable.
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it
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On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance.
Oh so you declare the post beforehand. My mistake I just skimmed too much text.
Even so. I dont approve because its random. And just flushes everything we discussed up until now down the drain.
And theres discrepancies in that some people will do it and some people wont.
Town will do it in the off chance they can get a scum. Mafia wont do it in the off chance they they get one of their own but the potential to lynch town randomly and being unreadable at the same time off sets that risk.
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On October 07 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:21 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. I think if you said to ignore your RNG post that would be a really town move. Then you think wrongly. You're a smart guy, you just haven't had the education necessary to understand this. Look at things this way. OO delurked as soon as he got voted, right? And then he self-votes and posts some trolling image thing. Stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's response. OO *knows* I'm 100% serious about RNG and don't back down from it, and I lynch people this way from time to time (people like to resist RNG but it still goes through occasionally). So Basically, OO is facing a couple serious votes on him. If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him.
So it was a trap basically. I do think you are town based on this post but if you are pushing others to do it I think it all goes to fluff.
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On October 07 2014 03:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. Oh so you declare the post beforehand. My mistake I just skimmed too much text. Even so. I dont approve because its random. And just flushes everything we discussed up until now down the drain. And theres discrepancies in that some people will do it and some people wont. Town will do it in the off chance they can get a scum. Mafia wont do it in the off chance they they get one of their own but the potential to lynch town randomly and being unreadable at the same time off sets that risk. I'm not sorry to flush the "amazing" discussion of whether it's appropriate to use caps lock down the drain. If Oats is scum or not, whatever, but even you have to admit RNG is a better way of doing things than "did he inappropriately use capslock"
For one thing bats did was get us talking so kudos to him. It may seem meaningless to you since you think both oats and bats are town?
And also hf mentioned hopeless' weird post which seemed weird to me at the time also so while the discussion wasnt amazing I think we got something out of it.
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On October 07 2014 03:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:44 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 03:21 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. I think if you said to ignore your RNG post that would be a really town move. Then you think wrongly. You're a smart guy, you just haven't had the education necessary to understand this. Look at things this way. OO delurked as soon as he got voted, right? And then he self-votes and posts some trolling image thing. Stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's response. OO *knows* I'm 100% serious about RNG and don't back down from it, and I lynch people this way from time to time (people like to resist RNG but it still goes through occasionally). So Basically, OO is facing a couple serious votes on him. If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him. So it was a trap basically. I do think you are town based on this post but if you are pushing others to do it I think it all goes to fluff. OK you clearly don't understand the purpose of RNG. I am lynching OO regardless of what he does, but I'm gonnas try to make arguments that are also convincing to you. Also, you didn't address whether or not you agree with that argument. Nice doj bro Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:49 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 03:41 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 03:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. Oh so you declare the post beforehand. My mistake I just skimmed too much text. Even so. I dont approve because its random. And just flushes everything we discussed up until now down the drain. And theres discrepancies in that some people will do it and some people wont. Town will do it in the off chance they can get a scum. Mafia wont do it in the off chance they they get one of their own but the potential to lynch town randomly and being unreadable at the same time off sets that risk. I'm not sorry to flush the "amazing" discussion of whether it's appropriate to use caps lock down the drain. If Oats is scum or not, whatever, but even you have to admit RNG is a better way of doing things than "did he inappropriately use capslock" For one thing bats did was get us talking so kudos to him. It may seem meaningless to you since you think both oats and bats are town I do not have a townread on either oats or bats. Your reading comprehension has failed you once again. I remain hopeful things will improve Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:49 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 02:23 batsnacks wrote:
@BH if I claim scum is RNG lynch still better than lynching me? nice b8 m8 i r8 8/8
All I can understand from this is that you voted random he acts strange so others should vote for him too.
The arguement of what? Oats using caps? I said I think he is town. And bats is fishy but apparently using traps is the mindset of a townie so I ll take a step back on my stance if more people agree to this notion.
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On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?
Would there be any difference if I were a smurf or not? I think I told the mod what I am.
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On October 07 2014 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 04:52 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? Would there be any difference if I were a smurf or not? I think I told the mod what I am. Not particularly but I like trying to guess smurfs Your first post is a post I don't see a new player making.
I am from somewhere else. So in a way I am new but not new. Take what you will. So guess the smurf game is over.
How should a new player post?
Hi i am new here lets be friends?
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On October 07 2014 05:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 04:59 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 04:52 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? Would there be any difference if I were a smurf or not? I think I told the mod what I am. Not particularly but I like trying to guess smurfs Your first post is a post I don't see a new player making. I am from somewhere else. So in a way I am new but not new. Take what you will. So guess the smurf game is over. How should a new player post? Hi i am new here lets be friends? No they would put a lot of thought into whether they should claim.
I guess so to whoever is new to mafia it would be true. But really is there anything but town you can claim. You cant claim seer for obvious reasons
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On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically
I smell fish
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Although BH's posts seem like town his methods seem questionable. Whether or not there was worthy discussion before the RNG is of no consequence. The fact that he disrupted any sort of discussion and flung the thread into a whole new direction worries me deeply. I can see 1 of 2 scenarios of why this happened.
1. That there were relevant information in the discussion so as to dismiss everything -> RNG
2. The discussion indeed was bollocks so he wanted to renew.
Now I'm inclined to think as mafia you'd want to steer away from discussion involving one of your own.
But as town as long as there is discussion it doesn't really matter whether it's bad or productive so long as you can get some form of information.
I'm still iffy on BH. It's much more plausible for him to be mafia and spin the wheel of fortune as it has a lesser chance of getting a mafia. On the odd chance that it does land on one he doesn't have to push the lynch for it to just dissolve in the discussion but it's strange he keeps pushing OO for the lynch. Yes, he has been acting strangely I do admit that, but I can't help but think it's so convenient for the mafia to use this strategy.
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On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia) I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.
exactly 0 accountability.
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On October 07 2014 08:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Are we really talking whether or not I "slipped" that there are 3 mafia in a 14 player game? Again? Do we have to do this every time? This. This is an incredibly dumb statement. If BH is actually scum, this is most certainly not why.
Cosidering he said 3/13 before I just overlooked it and took no real meaning to it.
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On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia) I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. exactly 0 accountability. What angle are you working here, exactly?
I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash.
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On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia) I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. exactly 0 accountability. What angle are you working here, exactly? I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash. So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated?
nailed it
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On October 07 2014 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia) I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. exactly 0 accountability. What angle are you working here, exactly? I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash. So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated? This is a fairly relevant question. I'd like to take this moment to note, liancourt, that I do this all the time as town because it is objectively a good strategy. I'm pretty sure I've done it as scum too (Though I can't think of the game where I did it now) but that's cause as scum I try to play to my town meta, not because this is something I do as scum. RNG is, in my personal opinion, very good. You may disagree, but unless you can demonstrate that I personally don't think RNG is good (a hard thing to demonstrate given that I always use it) I don't see how you can paint my choice to use this scumhunting tactic as scum-motivated.
so you do this all the time so I'm meant to believe it's legit?
Ofc I cant demonstrate whether it's a good strat or not but I can only give you the reason I've said before that's it's basically against the town's favor in terms of probability and that I can't see a way you can get any reads using this method. I see more danger following this method if you were scum than doing any good it will come from you being town as I see in my honest opinion more advs for scum than town using this method. If you can convince me otherwise I'm willing to go along with it.
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On October 07 2014 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:56 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia) I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. exactly 0 accountability. What angle are you working here, exactly? I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash. So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated? nailed it Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town. In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated.
If you keep bringing past games up on me I can't exactly empathize with you mate. So I'm solely basing it on this game and how I feel about it. All I'm saying is there's more potential for abuse than it will do good.
It's like a nuclear bomb. It has the potential to do much worse things than being used as a source of peacekeeper device. I hope this analogy is correct
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On October 07 2014 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 09:15 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:56 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia) I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. exactly 0 accountability. What angle are you working here, exactly? I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash. So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated? nailed it Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town. In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated. If you keep bringing past games up on me I can't exactly empathize with you mate. So I'm solely basing it on this game and how I feel about it. All I'm saying is there's more potential for abuse than it will do good. It's like a nuclear bomb. It has the potential to do much worse things than being used as a source of peacekeeper device. I hope this analogy is correct The issue isn't that you called it a bad strategy, because it is. The issue is that you said he could only be scum for suggesting such a strategy, which is factually incorrect.
In my eyes why would town pick a bad strat to play with. Oh wait BH believes it's a good strat. Bad strats a bad strat and believing it a good strat just makes me wonder. And as mentioned he's played it before as town and as scum so who's to believe he's playing it as town this time around.
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From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves.
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On October 07 2014 09:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who's to say he's only doing it as scum this time around?
This question goes both ways.
Is the poisoned wine in front of me or you?
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If you are argue that it can go both ways then it just goes nowhere.
Much like following the random lynch. You can't really say they are scum or town because they are just following random votes.
But I'm inclined to think those following the random lynch don't want to be read. And I'm almost forced to think that thos epeople who don't want to be read are those that scum.
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On October 07 2014 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who's following the random lynch liancourt?
Batsnacks, I am utterly sorry for the abuse I heaped on you and your plan yesterday. I went on and on and on totally unreasonably. My bad. Your plan was fine.
Hf, I called grack probably town because he's the only other one that jokingly claimed.
Obvious One (3): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
kinda out there in plain sight
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On October 07 2014 11:05 Alakaslam wrote:
I have seen this same dumb shut storm in 5 games already.
3 in which I played.
Liancourt I now know, you are not a smurf.
Care to elaborate?
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On October 07 2014 14:34 Holyflare wrote:
uhhhh something to lian when you wake up, why did you go from town reading bh to thinking his rng thing was actually really scummy?
I think I said his posts seem legit which makes me feel he is town, but his method (RNG)is just meh...a strat more advantageous for scum to be using.
But apparently everyone thinks BH's strat is just his standardized play. I'm at a crossroads here.
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On October 07 2014 14:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 14:32 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness. Yeah this is a really strange post. How can you really say this sincerely from the perspective of somebody who hasn't even read through the thread. For all you knew somebody could have been spewing towniness and you just never read it. Because we hit 20 pages by the end of the first half of the day, and from the looks of the early game and BH's random lynching, I was under the impression that nothing of great importance happened. You're acting like one of two good townreads are super important, and they're not. We have 14 players. That's not enough. We need more. If you're really going to get your panties in a bunch about this, I'll go and reread the entire game and say stuff.
two good town reads? Who are they?
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On October 07 2014 15:53 Oatsmaster wrote:The obi stuff is interesting. He doesn't defend himself in any meaningful, rational way. Just gets irrationally angry and hf and starts a fight. I would expect scum to not be so foolish and actually defend themself with better stuff. Too bad to be scum is my current read. Keilsar or whatever his name is is scummy for reasons. So is oo. I think there's definitely scum in the lurkers so lynching into there is fine. Liencourt never responded to my question 
Sorry what question was that?
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On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
Although I do agree HF's coming out seemed abrupt, I can't say obi was asking questions that much. He was mainly talking with me defending BH. And his filter is full of defend the BH posts. I don't think he really accused me of anything either and just defended the RNG strat.
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On October 07 2014 16:22 Alakaslam wrote:
What about ObiWanShinobi changing his story
what story did he change?
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On October 07 2014 16:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 16:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 11:05 Alakaslam wrote:
I have seen this same dumb shut storm in 5 games already.
3 in which I played.
Liancourt I now know, you are not a smurf. Care to elaborate? Yup won't take long BH is BH and this is what he does. Most effective policy if you disagree is to ignore him; if you haven't learned this you haven't read much of him If you haven't read much of him you have not been here long.
So you're saying the same thing as obi essentially. I don't want this issue of my being not here long a factor in this game. And I'm trying not to consider past games as the players themselves very well know what they usually do so I don't think it's of consequence.
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On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?
At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.
Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.
And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.
We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.
The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.
Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.
Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.
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On October 07 2014 18:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum What do you mean by BH post's seem legit?
meaning it seems genuine and townie. It looked like he was actually trying to do something instead of post fluff.
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On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example?
See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum.
I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.
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On October 07 2014 18:21 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:19 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum What do you mean by BH post's seem legit? meaning it seems genuine and townie. It looked like he was actually trying to do something instead of post fluff. To me it seemed like "RNG" "RNG" "Vote this guy" "you guys are all stupid not to vote my random person" You seemed to be critical of it along with me so I really want to know what he was trying to do and what was townie about it.
The RNG thing wasn't what made him townie, it was some of the other things he said let me find an example
On October 07 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:
If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him.
On October 07 2014 04:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? I do. I think HF's reasoning based on the VT claim shenannies are consistent with HF's reasoning as town. This reasoning is solid enough. The follow-up about "why are you in caps lock" isn't meaningful, but I think HF believes himself to be correct. Normally I'd find his attachment to that piece scummy but I really like the follow-up he posts right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=14#268The attempt to leverage the current situation on OO by asking OO about Oats is a solid way to develop a read on both of them. This "continuance" piece is harder for scum to think of but fits well with a tunneled HF on Oats. Due to these reasons, I do not believe HF is a good lynch today.
He gave insight on some interesting stuff which I think is pro town.
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OK after reading your filter I agree that BH disrupted the discussion that was already going on and if i recall correctly I also said something like that any discussion whether it's productive or not is good as you can get info.
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I think storr was obssessed with me being a smurf so he tunneled who knows. I need more from him than calling me out as smurf so I'll wait on this
On October 07 2014 09:30 StorrZerg wrote:
ill make a case on someone tonight or tomorrow morning i swear its going to be good
#prepthebadwagons
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On October 07 2014 12:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred/lion, mostly.
Opinions on them? goddman backspace key deleted my post lian has his head up his ass about BH's RNG stuff but is so pigheaded about it I think he's town. Damdred is scummy for saying oats makes his skin crawl, goading HF into voting oats, sitting on the sidelines for a bit then reneging on his (inconclusive..) oats-read. Recent BH/OO stuff is null.
So his read on me seems intresting, I took my head out of my arse and started listening to some of you guys mainly hope, obi and slam defending BH on this RNG business as his go to strat for every game.
If others also think like this that this is BH's usual strat then well I can't really say anything about it.
I do find the obi/hope interaction interesting and the fact the two of them defend BH is also intriguing but i need more info on hope to get any sort of idea so it's null atm.
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On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large
so giving reads immediately is scummy?
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On October 07 2014 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:
See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic.
I use this logic if I have played with that person before. Show nested quote +
I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.
well what you said is that your 3 would be storr, damd and palmer. Even though OO has been scummier and storr/damd have contributed more than him. this means you would lynch storr/damd over OO by your reasoning right. I don't know, I just think you don't want to vote OO just because it is a random vote but he is acting scummy as fuck and that is a good reason to lynch him over others. so using "oh it was random" at this point is kind of a weak defence. I would happily lynch OO right now tbh.
Well you're right the only reason I don't want to vote OO is because it's random. But on the othe rhand I'm not making a defense on OO either. Although I've said following the random is scummy I think we've come to the point that OO's scuminess overrides my point of view.
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On October 07 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? no not at all.
then what does that double negative mean?
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On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo.
So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy
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so you think OO and BH are both scummy?
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On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
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clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.
And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.
Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.
Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so.
huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind?
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On October 07 2014 19:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:47 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
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How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??
Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so. huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind? are you serious I just gave my reasons above what the fuck.
Let me rephrase, why'd you change your opinion in a matter minutes while talking to me?
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On October 07 2014 19:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah cool you changed my mind. Great job kelsier.
##unvote
Liancourt and oo might be scum.
Liancourt cause he has no scum reads other than "they did nothing"
so lying low can't be considered scummy? And I mentioned damd as being scummy because of his vagueness regardless of his usual playstyle, it's what I believe. Does this not count?
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On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt
So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now?
Oh and
Vote ObviousOne
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On October 08 2014 01:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it. totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though. u srs.. On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4 So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward. so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum Else, Town That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF? He came up with the idea that being on an rng wagon would be a very convenient place to hide because then people are just following a rng post and they don't give any information, that IS scummy and is the correct thing to point out. Then, when people who he is scum reading start to interact more and flesh out things he drops that scum read because it goes against what he was originally saying. He continues to scum read BH because he hasn't played with BH and what BH does is terrible=scummy, hearing a million people say it is in fact null moved him to seriously reconsider his stance on BH from scummy to null. His read on oats was before most people even said anything about oats and gave oats room to express more things and in fact showed better reading comprehension than me/batsnacks etc etc. The only weird thing is the OO thing and I'd much rather he explained himself out fully on this instead because I envisage that another skydragon event will occur. Just because you disagree with his thought process does not mean that it is quite evidently there.
This.
Sends shivers down my spine as to how accurate you are on my thought processes.
I push BH then god knows millions others come in defending him saying oh it's not "allignment indicative" so I back off. I'm not a stubborn man, I'm a simple man I can be convinced to think the other way. The thing with OO lets see I voted him against my principles of following the random vote. I got convinced that it shouldn't really matter matter whether he is a random vote or not so there you have it.
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On October 08 2014 01:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
@liancourt:
can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO
I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr.
I'll do grack first. He defends BH and agrees with HF goes against obi. And not much anything else. Null. Frankly I'd like to ask people why they think he is town.
Slam posts a lot of...w/e. And I was surprised he gave some valid insigts in between the filler posts so generally he leans towards town.
Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content.
Although I don't like storr for tunneling me from the start I can understand why he's doing this. I think it's a diffference between the way we think. He thought that nonsense with the RNG was total bollocks because he states that BH's RNG is not alignment indicative while I thought it was before everyone came crashing down on me. I thought that discussion was important for me because it later convinced me to where I am now, but he doesn't think so, in his eyes it was a load of fluff.
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On October 08 2014 02:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:33 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 02:27 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 02:24 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job! I'm at work I think Liam is town why, please explain New people on this site get free town reads from me If you want a better explanation I'll be around for serious later yes i'd like a better reason than policy It's a good policy I think our player base would be larger if new people didn't always have to read a small novels' worth criticizing everything they do
I welcome the criticism. It gets me posting
As storr probably implied I'm not that accustomed to pressuring people. And if that's the trait he thinks a scum would have then so be it. Regardless of whatever I say it seems apparent he's going to keep tunneling me. Does BH and storr have similar meta games? They seem similar to me tunneling on 1 person from the start. LIke from the get go they attack that one person only.
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On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote:
BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think? Sure! I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian. I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating: Show nested quote +Storrzerg
The question is, who does he think are scummy?
1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town
So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"
And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.
The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow. I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.
I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick 1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined. 1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something. 2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow
So basically, if I put one name down as scummy and gave a valid reason for it I wouldn't be scummy for it? You and storr have very similar play tactics. Pressure one person. Yea it's good and all, but don't try to influence others into playing the way you two play. And then calling them scummy if they don't play to it.
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On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now?
It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything.
Town stamp
Null stamp
Scum stamp
People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone.
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On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post.
which post are you refering to?
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On October 08 2014 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote:
Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Not sure if you're aware, but we're lynching my RNG target today so nya nya nya. On top of that, I literally wrote a case against OO entirely because I RNGed him and there's nothing you can do to stop me from saying that. Granted, OO happens to also be scum, but the REASON I'm voting him is because of my slavish devotion to D1 RNG. Bear in mind, I never use RNG after D1. So you don't have to worry about that. But this is RNG. Once again, I have pushed an RNG lynch. I am god.
well if you don't use it after day 1 I can be content.
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On October 08 2014 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
@liancourt:
can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO
I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr. I'll do grack first. He defends BH and agrees with HF goes against obi. And not much anything else. Null. Frankly I'd like to ask people why they think he is town. Slam posts a lot of...w/e. And I was surprised he gave some valid insigts in between the filler posts so generally he leans towards town. Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Although I don't like storr for tunneling me from the start I can understand why he's doing this. I think it's a diffference between the way we think. He thought that nonsense with the RNG was total bollocks because he states that BH's RNG is not alignment indicative while I thought it was before everyone came crashing down on me. I thought that discussion was important for me because it later convinced me to where I am now, but he doesn't think so, in his eyes it was a load of fluff. Grak is town for me because at the beginning of the day he seemed really happy, excited and jokey. If you look through his filter he gave some good reasons for why BH is town , felt towny to me. He also paid close attention to what obi was saying. asking him why obi asked dama/lian specifically and then "catching" obi.
grack IMPOV just defended BH's RNG and that it was his usual thing to do prasing it even iirc. Defending RNG doesn't necessarily mean he is townie. As countless people have said that RNG isn't "alignment indicative" why does defending RNG make him townie? It just makes him null.
There Grack gets a stamp of [NULL]
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On October 08 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now? Oh and Vote ObviousOne What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment.
Shall I use my stamp?
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On October 08 2014 05:24 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. So just read your filter when you were discussing BH and I don't really see you pushing hard scum on him. You disliked the RNG, but then you said he was town because of a different post. then you said he felt towny but the RNG was mafia indicative. This isn't a hard push imo You also made a post saying "from D1 I got....." but BH wasn't mentioned on that list. I think one of the main issues isn't that you don't stamp everything but you haven't stamped a single thing. Even now I am not sure who you think is town or mafia.
And in response I read your filter too and it seems you and I think alike especially the early game with the oats/bats business and the RNG thing. And your interactions with me seemed genuine. But you didn't answer this question on why you changed your mind so quickly.
On October 07 2014 19:47 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
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One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so. huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind?
Other than that you seem [TOWN]
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On October 08 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:30 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now? Oh and Vote ObviousOne What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment. Shall I use my stamp? You can use as many stamps as you like, tell me why storr is scum or town. Don't tell me storr thinks differently than you do. I guess the inferred read is that Storr is town.
storr town
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On October 08 2014 05:44 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. I see your pressure against BH as meaningless, since it could be done regardless of your alignment since you have made it apparent that you don't like to lynch via RNG. Hence you could push bh, regardless of your alignment, since its policy form your standpoint. Also your stance to vote OO is why? "na nanna boo boo see i can vote ?" I mean OO is afk. big woop?
Thought as much you just think my discussion was null because you think its null when it wasn't for me.
So we let afkers off scott free? Is that your policy of disregarding everything but tunneling on one person and everything he does? Like I said I'm suspicious of low lyers and OO is one of them. And after reading BH's post which I have said were townie and his arguement against OO i agree with him so I voted OO.
Let me ask you this. Are you going to give me your opinion on others or are you going to scrutinize me for everything I do and having an opposite stance on everything? It'd be nice if you gave opinions on others rather than just me. It doesn't give much info on you except for the fact that you are just tunneling me. And after I'm gone town is left with nothing but your filter full of you attacking me. So, your thoughts on others if you will or I might change your stamp to scum.
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On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome
Well damd scum.
Half his filter is filled with questions and only a select few really address some form of issue. It's like he's acting to try and seem active but when really he is on nobody's radar and is low lying. There isn't anything worth mentioning where he put out a genuine case to someone. He just pokes and pokes around. He doesn't follow on anything.
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On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
@Palmar
Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction. Nope, haven't read any of it.
when exactly are you going to post anything so I can analyze you?
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On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:14 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post. which post are you refering to? The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit. If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch. Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant. Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip.
I Agree with the scumslip thing. I don't think it had any relevance.
And you're going to have to quote the post for me because for some reason I can't pin point it.
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On October 08 2014 06:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Lian, here's your new stamp: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8vG026.jpg) Please make sure you fill it out accordingly
cool I'll use this on somebody I think it's what everyone is waiting for.
And why might I ask you think I'm scum. Because apparently throwing out scum cards is the new way to be town.
Maybe I should refrain from making everyone seem good and just start scum reading people.
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oh wait hope wasnt pointing fingers at me he was just giving me the scum sheet.
my bad
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On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote:
I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him.
why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read.
on what grounds he hasnt posted anything of worth yet
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On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.
a moment ago you said the scumslip was irrelevant and now you say for pointing out the scumslip bats must be town?
And you go on to say we should ignore him for the rest of the game? Even if you have a town read on him you should never just ignore him unless your 100% certain he is confirmed town.
To me thats like saying bats is my mafia homie ignore him please so that he can lie low and keep him alive.
I'll use that scum stamp hope gave me.
palmar
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On October 08 2014 06:05 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:04 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 05:44 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. I see your pressure against BH as meaningless, since it could be done regardless of your alignment since you have made it apparent that you don't like to lynch via RNG. Hence you could push bh, regardless of your alignment, since its policy form your standpoint. Also your stance to vote OO is why? "na nanna boo boo see i can vote ?" I mean OO is afk. big woop? Thought as much you just think my discussion was null because you think its null when it wasn't for me. So we let afkers off scott free? Is that your policy of disregarding everything but tunneling on one person and everything he does? Like I said I'm suspicious of low lyers and OO is one of them. And after reading BH's post which I have said were townie and his arguement against OO i agree with him so I voted OO. Let me ask you this. Are you going to give me your opinion on others or are you going to scrutinize me for everything I do and having an opposite stance on everything? It'd be nice if you gave opinions on others rather than just me. It doesn't give much info on you except for the fact that you are just tunneling me. And after I'm gone town is left with nothing but your filter full of you attacking me. So, your thoughts on others if you will or I might change your stamp to scum. im sorry you all ready town read me you can't change your mind right now.
on who's authority? After my reading you you put in content that makes me want to change my mind. And if you don't follow up on my request I'm inclined to change my read on you.
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On October 08 2014 06:07 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt care to update your stance on Damdred
tell me what you think instead of grilling me continuously. And he's scum I put this in an earlier post.
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On October 08 2014 06:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.
This is strange too. If he's acting like what you think mafia would act, why do you hate to admit it? I always like it when people act like mafia.
you need to keep on reading the answers there after many many pages.
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On October 08 2014 06:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote:
I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him.
why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read. I liked him when he first posted saying lian was mafia, even though I think other people had given the reason he gave. Since then he has really fallen off. I don't like the way he got his read on you, doesn't seem genuine I didn't like how as soon as i questioned him about it he made some dumb post. I don't like how he thinks BH is scummy still I don't like how he hasn't bothered to read an important part of the thread. Or give reads on those people. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:57 Palmar wrote:
I'm a slam fan. I'm not really a batsnacks fan because he's a bit of a dick.
Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value. What the fuck bat is pretty clearly town and because he pressured BH that makes him stupid and of no value. yeh really don't like palmar, probably scum
i concur with the reasons above
town stamp for you
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On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to.
So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it.
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On October 08 2014 06:27 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:18 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome Well damd scum. Half his filter is filled with questions and only a select few really address some form of issue. It's like he's acting to try and seem active but when really he is on nobody's radar and is low lying. There isn't anything worth mentioning where he put out a genuine case to someone. He just pokes and pokes around. He doesn't follow on anything. Could you go into more detail.
if there were details I think I'd post it for evidence, but the fact that "there isn't anything worth mentioning" ring a bell. He's a balnk piece of paper. You go read his filter and tell me your opinion.
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On October 08 2014 06:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:49 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to. So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it. no u Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.
bats town
I think his trap was genuine although I didnt think this at first but looking back yea it seems legit.
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On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.
reaffirms my town read on you. I did indeed accept BH for what he is. About palmar I'm still apprehensive and have him as a scum read.
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On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.
you seem to get the jist of the angle I'm trying to go for. My logic seems to be different than most of the players here. You've lean towards town instead of just being null.
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@storr you still havent given your reads on anyone else but me. you seem to be lurking around what is it
I'll change my read on you from town to scum because you just flatly disregarded my request
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On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him. I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch. OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument. Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred. So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention. In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment. God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people
I can relate to where he's coming from. I can imagine a scenario for this to happen whichever alignment OO is.
So would that mean people pushing for obi lynch is scummy? I'll reread that obi/hf/grack interaction.
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On October 08 2014 08:42 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 08:37 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. the point is he isn't actually calling anyone scum........................... He's trying to solve the game though. He goes through the thread and picks out the things that he finds alignment indicative and has come up with a bunch of town reads. He suspects the people who haven't been posting because he hasn't found reasons for them to be town. You may not like the way he's playing the game but it doesn't make him scum.
This guy gets me it's called the process of elimination. I try to find town while you guys try to find scum.
The ones left must be scum right.
Updated scum list:
storr
damd
palmar
OO
rest are town in my opinion.
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On October 09 2014 12:40 Holyflare wrote:
my last minute reads are wait for the cop check on lian, if there isn't one you should probably lynch hopeless, I thought he put in a lot of effort with a big post at some point but re-reading it it was commenting on useless crap
he also town read people (obi) and attacked me instead when i started bringing up cases on obi, he apparently "didn't read him" which makes it even worse and the rest of his filter is pretty generic commenting on nothingness with no conclusions, he also did a really really flip floppy switch to OO after saying he was just a policy etc etc
I did like lian for a towny but his post about not wanting to lynch OO now looks really scummy that OO has flipped mafia, he really would be a great cop check :/
i mean like... there's so many peripheral people it's hard to choose between them... palmar looks really 3pish to me, he has the semi look of towny palmar but none of the gusto that i'd usually attribute to him when he starts giving reads
bh is going to get shot so yeh there's that too
Any reason you'd have wanted me to be cop checked?
I don't understand how palmar is 3p. The mind boggles.
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On October 09 2014 13:58 StorrZerg wrote:liancourt hiiii i'll probably tunnel again on you today 
come at me bro
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On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.
You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this
On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness.
It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic.
This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game.
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On October 09 2014 14:33 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt any reason you are not following up on Damdred?
what this?
On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though.
I already think of damdred as scummy so i do I need to follow up with this?
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On October 09 2014 14:29 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness. It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game. Disagree i see it as obi wanting to do something since OO was afk. obi as town would want something to be happening, so he is doing something, even if its complaining.
you and i really have the polar opposites in how we interpret someone's thought processes.
Must mean you're scum because you think differently from me doesn't it
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On October 09 2014 14:27 StorrZerg wrote:
Anyone care to guess how liancourt feels on hopeless O_o
yep... "iffy"
/case
seems way to "ok" with how their conversation is flowing between them. largely been "ignoring" hopeless even though he has had several conversations with him.
could the scum team be that simple? O_o
any memorable interaction with hopeless I've had is him giving me a scum stamp.jpg
From the game so far I've had memorable interactions with BH, obi, kel and probably you because you're my #1 fan aren't you.
I'm very indifferent on people that don't attack me directly or don't even call me out unlike you, so yea iirc hope has called me scum, but hasn't really followed up with anything memorable. Unless you can bring up something hope has said about me I'll respond to that. But yea I'm just gonna keep on "ignoring" him until he actually comes up with anything against me.
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On October 09 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
What if i told you my plan was actually multi layered and i have a red check on hopeless?
is it like the ploy you did during night where you said you were gonna shoot obi then suddenly jumped to BH and then say afterwards that it saved BH's life? I don't even...try explaining your thought processes on that matter because I can't even begin to understand, seemed like you were having fun trolling.
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I must be missing something how did hopeless get on the butcher's table?
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We're meant to believe HF after he faked being vigi? The mind boggles
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On October 09 2014 15:06 Holyflare wrote:
I faked vigi because not only would i be healed to survive the night but i could protect another towny by threatening to shoot them (bh). No mafia kills occured so there's all the proof you need that it worked and I'm town.
huh? How do you know you'd be healed? How do you know knows mafia kills occured? Oats died, what was that?
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On October 09 2014 15:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lian why you not voting for hopeless?
give me a good reason
you claiming a role which you may or not be isn't really valid in my mind.
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so what everyone is agreeing on this?
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You saying you checked hopeless or me?
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then what do you mean by inclined to change your check to me?
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didn't you say you were gonna cop check me at night, or was it another ploy and checked hopeless instead?
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On October 09 2014 16:02 Holyflare wrote:
Who cares who checked what? Hopeless is mafia. Lynch him.
what is this logic? did you or did you not check anyone at all at night?
what are you trying to get reactions off hopeless?
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On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote:
So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead?
aren't you the one who had it in for obi up until today. And if you are indeed the cop wouldn't you want to confirm obi as scum rather than check me or hopeless. Who are the two confirmed town I don't see any? Grack as vigi and the dead oats?
I don't see how people can claim on day 2 when we don't even know what roles are in play and we're expected to blindly follow. For all I know it's a trap/ploy. I can't believe anything after that shenannigan at night.
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On October 09 2014 16:15 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote:
So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead? if obi is town... then hope and lian are probably mafia
why are you lumping me and hope together?
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not like me voting for damdred, storr, plamer were gonna change anything because no one thought the same thing as me.
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On October 09 2014 16:31 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:25 liancourt wrote:
not like me voting for damdred, storr, plamer were gonna change anything because no one thought the same thing as me. True but as I stated earlier voting OO is a good place for mafia to hide.
so is anywhere else cos it was apparent he was gonna get lynched anyway
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On October 09 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Lian you keep saying you doubt things but don't provide any analysis on what happened with the mafia night kill and where it went. Who were they shooting and why didn't they die?
that would mean i would believe grack is vig
u are cop
and that there is a doctor.
I believe none of it and just see mafia killing oats.
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On October 09 2014 17:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 17:10 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Lian you keep saying you doubt things but don't provide any analysis on what happened with the mafia night kill and where it went. Who were they shooting and why didn't they die? that would mean i would believe grack is vig u are cop and that there is a doctor. I believe none of it and just see mafia killing oats. If you just see mafia killing oats then you should be voting grack for fake claiming vigilante
i should be voting you for fake claiming vig and cop and claiming there is a medic. But i'm inclined to think this was just another one of your "ploys". Like I said, you seem to enjoy trolling.
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On October 09 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 17:27 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 17:10 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 17:10 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Lian you keep saying you doubt things but don't provide any analysis on what happened with the mafia night kill and where it went. Who were they shooting and why didn't they die? that would mean i would believe grack is vig u are cop and that there is a doctor. I believe none of it and just see mafia killing oats. If you just see mafia killing oats then you should be voting grack for fake claiming vigilante i should be voting you for fake claiming vig and cop and claiming there is a medic. But i'm inclined to think this was just another one of your "ploys". Like I said, you seem to enjoy trolling. If you think Blazinghand is town then i saved your town read by claiming vig. If you really really think oatsmaster was a likely mafia kill after doing absolutely nothing the entire game I'm almost forced to believe you are mafia.
hmm lets see who else have done nothing...damd, storr and palmer. And why would you think mafia would target BH?
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On October 09 2014 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
If you live in a world where a player that did nothing all game gets night killed over people that look towny and are pushing logical things then you literally have to be scum reading grackaroni right now. So whether you criticise my trolling or not the fact of the matter is that there is a game at hand.
If you live in my world where grackaroni is the vigilante then the mafia either stacked with him which is very very unlikely or they hit a veteran or medic save.
if you live in my world the vigi would have killed obi because of what happened at the end of day and everyone was piling on him.
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On October 09 2014 18:04 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 18:02 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 17:27 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 17:10 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 17:10 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Lian you keep saying you doubt things but don't provide any analysis on what happened with the mafia night kill and where it went. Who were they shooting and why didn't they die? that would mean i would believe grack is vig u are cop and that there is a doctor. I believe none of it and just see mafia killing oats. If you just see mafia killing oats then you should be voting grack for fake claiming vigilante i should be voting you for fake claiming vig and cop and claiming there is a medic. But i'm inclined to think this was just another one of your "ploys". Like I said, you seem to enjoy trolling. If you think Blazinghand is town then i saved your town read by claiming vig. If you really really think oatsmaster was a likely mafia kill after doing absolutely nothing the entire game I'm almost forced to believe you are mafia. hmm lets see who else have done nothing...damd, storr and palmer. And why would you think mafia would target BH? storr has been pretty active actually, I think his single mindedness is pretty town.
single mindedness? you mean tunneling me...lol
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On October 09 2014 18:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Also Damd is town so.
yea ok...if you say so
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On October 09 2014 18:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 18:13 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
If you live in a world where a player that did nothing all game gets night killed over people that look towny and are pushing logical things then you literally have to be scum reading grackaroni right now. So whether you criticise my trolling or not the fact of the matter is that there is a game at hand.
If you live in my world where grackaroni is the vigilante then the mafia either stacked with him which is very very unlikely or they hit a veteran or medic save. if you live in my world the vigi would have killed obi because of what happened at the end of day and everyone was piling on him. So then are you calling grackaroni mafia or not??? Also i called obi town, only 1 or 2 called him mafia.
all i see is multiple people trolling to get a serious answer from someone. i'm rather inclined to think a vt would troll claim vig and see who responds to it.
I kinda find it odd you change your stance on obi so quick after you were going down his throat yesterday.
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On October 09 2014 18:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 18:24 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 18:19 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 18:13 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
If you live in a world where a player that did nothing all game gets night killed over people that look towny and are pushing logical things then you literally have to be scum reading grackaroni right now. So whether you criticise my trolling or not the fact of the matter is that there is a game at hand.
If you live in my world where grackaroni is the vigilante then the mafia either stacked with him which is very very unlikely or they hit a veteran or medic save. if you live in my world the vigi would have killed obi because of what happened at the end of day and everyone was piling on him. So then are you calling grackaroni mafia or not??? Also i called obi town, only 1 or 2 called him mafia. all i see is multiple people trolling to get a serious answer from someone. i'm rather inclined to think a vt would troll claim vig and see who responds to it. I kinda find it odd you change your stance on obi so quick after you were going down his throat yesterday. I changed my stance on him part way through day 1 but pressured him a lot more to make sure. How is that relevant? How does what grack did look anything like a fake claim at all?
you know I would have half believed him if there were 2 night kills but no
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On October 09 2014 18:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 18:24 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 18:19 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 18:13 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
If you live in a world where a player that did nothing all game gets night killed over people that look towny and are pushing logical things then you literally have to be scum reading grackaroni right now. So whether you criticise my trolling or not the fact of the matter is that there is a game at hand.
If you live in my world where grackaroni is the vigilante then the mafia either stacked with him which is very very unlikely or they hit a veteran or medic save. if you live in my world the vigi would have killed obi because of what happened at the end of day and everyone was piling on him. So then are you calling grackaroni mafia or not??? Also i called obi town, only 1 or 2 called him mafia. all i see is multiple people trolling to get a serious answer from someone. i'm rather inclined to think a vt would troll claim vig and see who responds to it. I kinda find it odd you change your stance on obi so quick after you were going down his throat yesterday. I changed my stance on him part way through day 1 but pressured him a lot more to make sure. How is that relevant? How does what grack did look anything like a fake claim at all?
what made you change your mind
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yea normal logic would tell you that you'd kill the most townie player of the pack. I thought he was pretty much town based on the early game. Not much to say about his later posts because non are memorable. Your guess is as good as mine. Who knows the thought processes of the mafia, maybe they RNGed 
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On October 09 2014 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
The answer is they wouldn't
then who by your logic is the best kill for mafia? BH? What if they left him alive to build suspicion on him. Oh look mafia didn't kill BH, he must be mafia. Has it worked? Probably not. I think he leans towards town with all the contribution he has shown, but I'm not willing to trust him 100%. Trusting someone blindly w/o confirmation seems dangerous in my eyes.
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we must be on a different frequency can't believe you don't have a shadow of a doubt on gracks' claim.
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then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
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On October 10 2014 07:12 Grackaroni wrote:
You've made no effort to solve the game? You just drop in look at random posts/things that have happened and make reads based off of them but you've never tried to actually talk to anybody at all to figure out their alignment.
thank you someone that agrees with me on palmer
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On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There's merit to it.
A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together.
this actually made me read him less scummy, he could have just agreed with damd and pushed me for the lynch, but he didnt kudos. He wanted me or hope dead so thinking like this was quite townie.
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On October 09 2014 23:45 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote:On October 09 2014 23:32 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:30 batsnacks wrote:On October 09 2014 23:25 StorrZerg wrote:
thanks for the great input badsnacks any other takers... What did you think? about your input? lack luster and meaningless. doesn't add anything for the conversation nor drive it into something productive. short and meant to stifle conversation. No I mean what did you think about Liam's interaction with the claims? someone what fine. questioning hf being justifiably cautious. (hf had just claimed vig, then pulls the claim off, claims cop etc) I'd say liancourt had been around for the flip and had waited to speak. (since he was up to date with the shenanigans from hf) So he avoids talking about Hopeless, and instead keeps the conversation about questioning HF. Even if he suspects HF to be a troll/ not telling whole truths, the entire time the end result is we still don't know where liancourt stands on hopeless. Something major has come up, yet no progression has come of it. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 14:39 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 14:33 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt any reason you are not following up on Damdred?
what this? On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. I already think of damdred as scummy so i do I need to follow up with this? Which brings me back to damdred, he isn't following up with any of his scum reads. Sure he is happy to call people directly scum now, but there is 0 effort in convincing people what direction to go. Instead its "yeah i called him scum a second time what do you want" Thus i find his interaction with HF similar. No end conclusion, no actual drive from him to expose something truthful, instead it seems to be more focused on what HF is doing, and figuring that out rather than figuring out HF's alignment / alignment of hopeless.
I agree with this as a matter of fact because it was exactly what I was thinking. I did in fact give a conclusion on HF, trolling town.
But it just seems like you are tunneling me again. And I don't think you have given any other reads as of yet. I've skimmed through and all you've done is ask what people think of me and find every little thing about me and contribute to it how it was scummy.
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On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
You've finally done a proper read on someone and coincidentally it's me who's been calling you out so I think this post's bascially a very long OMGUS. Also I think you just copied storr in tunneling me because I kept calling you out. When I die and people look at the two of your filters they will only be filled with me and just a ton of questions with no insight. Very helpful for town isn't it.
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So i'll update my scum list in order of scumminess:
Damdred
Palmer
Storr
Obi, but he's leaning towards null and probably to town after reading what's happened in my absence.
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them
you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes.
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On October 10 2014 07:42 Blazinghand wrote:Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth. This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote:
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
ok so i'll wait on grack until n2 if its true
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On October 10 2014 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
solid. liancourt is stubborn and aggressively pushing his beliefs. Could be scum but would be a pretty ballsy play. obstinant yet engaging wtih thread makes me think more likely town. would not lynch today. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
and my vote on lynched scum for no other reason than shits and giggles. totes scumplayz Not a super legit defense imo. OO probably had a scum vote on him, just because his wagon was the kind of one you could jump off and on pretty easily (as a policy wagon) or try to shenannigan out of (as OWS tried). Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote:
Obi, I wish that you would of played d1 like this, its magical seeing you play when you are motivated.
I consider this another reason to lynch OWS. No reason to be demotivated D1, imo, unless of course your lurking scum-team-mate got RNGed and is getting policied.
yea i'm stubborn that's why I'm keeping to my guns on the scum trio: damd, palmer, storr. Obi wasn't my original choice and he's changed my mind so I'll let him off the hook.
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time) The readlist is pretty bad, yeah. still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS
Got the jist of it, I really hated the RNG.
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On October 10 2014 07:59 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus.
he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me.
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@storr I can't make a case against you becasue all you've said is related to me. All your questions have been directed at how other people think about me. You haven't talked about another person except me so how am I supposed make a case. All I would be doing is defending myself which I did mostly throughout d1. If you want to posts of me defending myself just go look at my d1 filter cos I ain't doing that again. And same goes for damdred, all he's only really commited to talking about me and just asked questions here and there. What's there to make a case on. It's both of your attitudes that scummy.
@Damdred & Storr: give me reads on someone else and I'll make a case out of you because all you guys are doing now is just doing nothing and tunneling me.
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On October 10 2014 08:15 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:09 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:59 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus. he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me. ok that still isn't a reason for you to do nothing
it's like what you're doing so I don't see why I have to comply with your requests as you didn't do mine either on d1. i thin kyou called me self-centered when I asked so there.
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you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg
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On October 10 2014 08:21 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:18 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:09 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:59 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus. he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me. ok that still isn't a reason for you to do nothing it's like what you're doing so I don't see why I have to comply with your requests as you didn't do mine either on d1. i thin kyou called me self-centered when I asked so there. isn't it super convenient when you can't actually make a case on anyone. Hell you could just ignore me and explain why hopeless is a bad lynch. How ever you keep bringing up that you can't make a case on your top 2 scum reads.
yea its really convenient my top 2 scumreads havent done anything for town except tunnel me
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On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you?
What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum?
Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before.
So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn.
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On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows????
i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter
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On October 10 2014 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I am not sure how you have been tunnel in the past but why in doing now is not that. Stop is probably closest not yet.
However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter.
I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions
I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make.
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On October 10 2014 08:34 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you? What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum? Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before. So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn. you bitching about my lack of reads from a single person isn't going to make me do anything. thats the logic. i picked you at the start of the game. before anyone else got a conclusion. I then watched you, waited for you to do something productive, when you hadn't that's when i made my full blown case. you still are doing a very poor job in convincing anyone else to do 1. not vote hopeless (cause you think he is town idk why) 2. put pressure on me. 3. put pressure on damd
pro scum strat picking one person before he does anything. Town should be looking at the whole picture and finding things odd in it not tunnel visioning one player and seeing if he fucks up or not. It's like you're saying you wanted to find any reasons which I can blame him for being scummy.
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On October 10 2014 08:34 batsnacks wrote:
Liam are you mafia though? What do you think your scummiest post is?
the answer is apparently this one, but I'm gonna say the thing about RNG because everyone else thinks so. Yea so go analyze that and this post.
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On October 10 2014 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter having difficulty finding it. HEre you seem to be scumreading him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=66#1316 is it this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=82#1640i can't find any times you mention him after scumreading him in that post, please help me.
yea the second one good job
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On October 10 2014 08:39 Damdred wrote:
That's ok liam you will not make an actual case or push your reds so its ok
must be real comfortable being scum when the only person suspecting you is a noob who can't make a case out of you because you have done absolutely nothing
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On October 10 2014 08:41 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I am not sure how you have been tunnel in the past but why in doing now is not that. Stop is probably closest not yet.
However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter.
I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make. why is it so hard for you to take 10 mins to show what you are talking about instead of just talking out of your waszzzoo for all the credit HF gave you day 1, with how your town read of "bh" evolved, your evolution of your scum reads over the game have not changed at all. The same case you made against me day 1, is the same case you have day 2. and "nothing" has changed. because "im not reading other people as you claim" thus you have no ability or will to bother growing your read on me. (copy paste this for palmar/damd too what not)
how about actually doing something besides talking to me or asking others' opinions of me?
how about something not related tome like... giving reads on others hmm? then i can analyze you. Or maybe you don't wnat that to happen so you're having this nonsensical farce with me that's getting absolutely nowhere.
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On October 10 2014 08:46 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:44 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:34 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you? What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum? Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before. So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn. you bitching about my lack of reads from a single person isn't going to make me do anything. thats the logic. i picked you at the start of the game. before anyone else got a conclusion. I then watched you, waited for you to do something productive, when you hadn't that's when i made my full blown case. you still are doing a very poor job in convincing anyone else to do 1. not vote hopeless (cause you think he is town idk why) 2. put pressure on me. 3. put pressure on damd pro scum strat picking one person before he does anything. Town should be looking at the whole picture and finding things odd in it not tunnel visioning one player and seeing if he fucks up or not. It's like you're saying you wanted to find any reasons which I can blame him for being scummy. no you had done something, which is why you caught my eye.
At least i did something unlike you
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On October 10 2014 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:48 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter having difficulty finding it. HEre you seem to be scumreading him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=66#1316 is it this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=82#1640i can't find any times you mention him after scumreading him in that post, please help me. yea the second one good job So basically you thought OWS was scum because Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness. It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game. of the reasons here. Basically, you think OWS's relationship to the OO lynch, the flipped scum, makes him town. He was trying to brush off the lynch and move the discussion away from OO. However, simply because OWS' response to an attack on you is this: Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There's merit to it.
A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together. which although accurate, is hilariously noncommimttal, you reverse your read and now no longer want to lynch OWS. You think scum OWS would have attacked you (over h1, who is certainly getting lynched regardless), you who is loud and stubborn. Since he didn't, and just called the casewriter town, you think he's town. is that an accurate representation of your views?
you think hope is a definite lynch today? News to me. And yea that's pretty much my thought process. it made obi scummish because he tried to act like he didn't care about the OO lynch and wanted to move on, but his d2 changed my mind when he could have just followed through and gutted me.
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On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
Unimportant. fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while. because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here"
even in your case about hopeless you've mentioned me more than him. Is this really a case about hopeless or just more spotlight on to me? Seems like you actually don't give a hoot and just want to mention my name.
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ok before I read the thread I've read some past games fuelled by the thought of finding why storr loves me so much. I've come to the conlcusion that he does this to all the newbies. Like last game when he rolled town he tunneled hard on a newbie because he played the game differently, in the end the newbie was town and town lost that game. He pretty much did the same things he did to him to me.
As for the game I read when he was scum he didn't tunnel but actually tried to be active and give soft reads and try to ask questions to different people on different things. Basically cause confusion and do nothing.
Now, I'm inclined to think storr is town based on these facts I'm going to retract why vote on him and the scum read I have on him. I know that if I keep tunneling on him it will actually hurt town because that's what happened last game when the newbie and storr tunneled each other. I realized that it's just his natural playstyle when he rolls town and it's no different from last game. But I'd like to add that playstyle of yours storr, it really hurt town. so...
##Unvote
I'll read some filters prolly damdred first and then hopeless and maybe obi too. And about slam and bats these guys havent really done much but I was kinda immersed in the turmoil with storr that I was too uninterested to mention. AS for palmar, I don't think he wants to play this game. He's not even trying. Or it's just superb acting, I'll give him an oscar if he turns out to be mafia.
Anyway be back in a few hours after I read some stuff.
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Dude that random random vote...I dont even wanna read your fluff infested filter now. You dug your own grave. Gg hope.
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Now why couldnt u do this in the first place hope.
##unvote
I ll actually read your filter now
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Facepalm = i disagree no?
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I'm just gonna thow this out there.
I think BH and kel is the most townie so far judging from what they;re doing and how they're going about it. Giving their own reads and asking the appropriate questions. And i'm conflicted because they are pushing obi who I think is town based on reasons I posted earlier in the day. Obi backed me up while damdred is trying to gut me. You could argue that scum can defend town, but it's just so convenient for scum to put salt on wounds and kick a person while they're down than rather having an objective logical opinion on a scummy player.
I frankly don't know how this hopeless wagon came to light. First thing I recall is HF calling a red check on him and it started there. Then he later says he's not the cop. Then he says he is. And then he says he has a red check. WTF? You're not very convincing if you keep changing your story mate. Also I don't understand why obi is backing HF after yesterday. I'm inclined to think it's because something happened at night, but that's just speculation. I'm greatful hope has made a case against damdred who is my number 1 scum right now, but it just felt like he was under pressure from all the votes he was getting and prolly thought he could get support from me. He could've picked me on his case which had far more backing than damdred at the time because it was only me that was thinking he was scummy so based on scum motivation of gutting easy targets I think he is town. He didn't pick the easy target and went for the uphill struggle. Which leads me to believe he is town and genuinely thinks damdred is scummy and it's not just a show so he can be let off the hook.
As for damdred, he's gutting me while I'm injured. I got battered on d1, got an upper cut from storr today and got jabbed on by everyone. I'm so easy and he even made a case against me and yet he isn't voting me??? Why? Because there is an easier target in the from of hopeless as he has a stack of votes on him. It doesn't look weird either just hop on the hopeless train because the general consensus except for BH and kel is to lynch hopeless today. Mafia loves to pick easy targets and chose 2 of the easiest targets in the game in a row. You even voted your partner on day1 to avoid suspicion. And you know what else? you voted OO last. I don't know what else screams useless bandwagon vote than that. Your case on me wasn't original you followed storr. You tried to deflect the issue on OO by saying that he wasn't going to be lynched that day anyway by having that weird convo with obi.
On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though.
On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc.
That was just weird man. Awful. You got busted.
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On October 11 2014 08:06 KelsierSC wrote:
What did you think of dams defence vs hope
if i answer are you willing to chnage your vote or are you just dipping your toes in the water?
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yea i wanna hear HF finding dirt on kel
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shoot slam plz if there's a vig or even palmar for that matter
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On October 11 2014 10:35 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote:
Like slam you already announced that you're TRYING to be misread day 1 or w/e so there's no point even trying to question you if your ultimate goal is to mislead people into reading you as something you're not. It's just a waste of time to even bother. Yes but you thinks I own perfection? For should not there be a mistake in the act, revealing to thee my true motive?
you have no motive man
just like HF trolling but at least he made up reasons lol
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On October 11 2014 10:43 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:39 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 10:35 Alakaslam wrote:On October 11 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote:
Like slam you already announced that you're TRYING to be misread day 1 or w/e so there's no point even trying to question you if your ultimate goal is to mislead people into reading you as something you're not. It's just a waste of time to even bother. Yes but you thinks I own perfection? For should not there be a mistake in the act, revealing to thee my true motive? I don't think you own anything, revealing what you're doing has no meaning really, i just want you to play and have actual reads like you used to when i played with you in newbies and even though you spammed like crazy actually gave good insight into things. Now you're just devolving into spam, want to deceive people and aren't really bothered how things go in the scheme of things or at least don't make it known. Your day 1 start i was actually happy you were playing. Now i am not. I burnout. 500rwhp you know. When none try @ me I also cease to try @ them. Thing is I conftown too fast; I cannot tell what feo what except by FIGHT but not fight over whether or not I should be banned. That is horse feces. However Coag used to get amusement from that and DP might think it was funny so I don't worry about that anymore. Anyway yup someone said BH would be insufferable Guess what
so what you're basically saying is..."I'm bored no one thinks me as scum so I'm just gonna troll from now on"
Do you wanna be in my shoes bro?
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it's 6-4 if me and you vote obi it's 6-6
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On October 11 2014 11:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:10 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Storr, can you do me a favor and vote Hopeless? Lian isn't getting lynched today. you in danger of being lynched? I'd rather have everyone voting between us since this is a highly contested lynch. It tells us a lot if/when Hopeless flips scum.
what if we vote to tie? what does that tell us? we're both scum?
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how am i not playing again?
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On October 11 2014 11:15 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:14 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 11:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 11 2014 11:10 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Storr, can you do me a favor and vote Hopeless? Lian isn't getting lynched today. you in danger of being lynched? I'd rather have everyone voting between us since this is a highly contested lynch. It tells us a lot if/when Hopeless flips scum. what if we vote to tie? what does that tell us? we're both scum? who is we?
U & I
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On October 11 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:14 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 11:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 11 2014 11:10 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Storr, can you do me a favor and vote Hopeless? Lian isn't getting lynched today. you in danger of being lynched? I'd rather have everyone voting between us since this is a highly contested lynch. It tells us a lot if/when Hopeless flips scum. what if we vote to tie? what does that tell us? we're both scum? The person who got the most votes first still gets lynched. Which will be Hopeless if all goes correctly.
no the rules state that there will be no lynch when there's a tie
6. In the event of a tie, there will be No Lynch.
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On October 11 2014 11:19 Holyflare wrote:
Wow lian admitting he's mafia
totally
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On October 11 2014 11:20 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:17 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 11:15 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:14 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 11:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 11 2014 11:10 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Storr, can you do me a favor and vote Hopeless? Lian isn't getting lynched today. you in danger of being lynched? I'd rather have everyone voting between us since this is a highly contested lynch. It tells us a lot if/when Hopeless flips scum. what if we vote to tie? what does that tell us? we're both scum? who is we? U & I you are on crack right?
took some of slam's stash, ridiculously good bro try some.
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On October 11 2014 11:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh.
Well then forcing a no lynch is a scumclaim. Don't do it.
you're at an advantage so you'd say this. No threat of you being lynched and at worst u and hope don't get lynched and we have the same discussion on d3. With the way it's going now best scenario for you is hope flipping scum. But what if hope flips town does that make you scum?
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On October 11 2014 11:20 StorrZerg wrote:if i admit to being his team mate can we lynch him?
storr we're on the same team of...U&I
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On October 11 2014 11:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:20 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 11:19 Holyflare wrote:
Wow lian admitting he's mafia totally If you were to tie with storr despite neither of you being up for lynch why would it make you both mafia ehhh?
because we'd have to go through this nonsense again on d3 and i think it's beneficial for mafia for town to just waste another day on discussion on the same ppl. Frankly, I'd like to move on from this obi.hope discussion so I can lynch damdred because it's getting overshadowed by this farce.
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On October 11 2014 11:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:20 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:19 Holyflare wrote:
Wow lian admitting he's mafia if i admit to being his team mate can we lynch him? Can lynch you first to confirm
hehe
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On October 11 2014 11:22 batsnacks wrote:
They will never pull off a tie even if they wanted to I am the fastest gun in the west.
you switch too much you're a bouncing variable.
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On October 11 2014 11:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:20 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:19 Holyflare wrote:
Wow lian admitting he's mafia if i admit to being his team mate can we lynch him? can we lynch you first? fuck no im town So you're calling him town then!
we're of the same team U&I
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On October 11 2014 11:24 StorrZerg wrote:
wow.. i almost don't want to lynch liam for that joke
hey you've livened up good job bro
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On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope /s get fcked Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. storr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw.
dude even if i vote obi it will be at best a tie and i don't want this shit discussion to continue on d3 when i want it to be damdred on the butcher's table.
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On October 11 2014 11:42 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:41 Holyflare wrote:
I very much dislike that he is not playing it's pretty annoying and rude Hopeless, liam, and obiwan will almost certainly sheep if we both vote him... this is totally doable and would be absolutely hilarious.
lets try and see lol
but if palmar dies we're still going to have this debate on hope/obi tomorrow and I don't want that. Lets move on ppl. To damdred if you will.
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On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope /s get fcked Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. storr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty.
not cool man i thought we had something special? T_T
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if you're town leave something like a gravestone so we can look at it when you're dead. having reads from confirmed town is more credible than any of the fluff people alive post. If obi isn't pressured enough to make his gravestone I'm willing to vote to add that pressure so he has motivation to make a last town read.
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On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:[quote] Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me.
i think my vote on damdred is far sufficient on pushing him, What else can I do when the big debate of today is between you and obi. And me pushing obi now will mean a tie but i want this debate over so I can move on to lynching damdred.
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i said i didn't want to vote for the tie, and want it to be over
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On October 11 2014 12:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fucks sake, this is the most annoying game ever. I hate having to explain everything 50 times.
Palmar: Null. I explained why I thought he could be mafia earlier with Damdred, because I'm still pretty sure Hopeless is scum and the only person at the time trying to derail the lynch on him was BH/Kelsier. He hasn't really put a whole lot of effort into the game and it makes him really annoying to read, but he isn't voting me and fucking off. Idk. I'm tempted to call him town just for voting with me and not jumping down my throat but that's it.
And no, I'm not actually going to CFD him today.
Holyflare: Town. I explained this before. He was townreading me when it would've been really easy to jump down my throat before and his reads are evolving in tangent with the thread as a whole. I have no reason to believe this guy is scum this game.
Kelsier: Null. On one hand, it would be really hard for him to fabricate this kind of tunnel for this long without slipping or whatnot, and he's being really bullheaded about it in spite of all evidence to the contrary. On the other hand...He refuses to read the Hopeless case and keeps calling it bad for bad reasons.
BH: Town. He actually read Hopeless and still considers lynching him, proving that he's actually reading the thread and shows that he's capable of picking out problem posts from other players. Still wants to lynch me, but I'm still sure this is in part due to jubbery.
Storr: Town. Saying a lot of smart stuff, IE "I know where Obi is coming from when he says this stuff and I refuse to believe some storyline about derailing a lynch because of whatever the fuck BH is saying."
Damdred: Town. Everything he says is well-explained and I don't see any discrepancies in his play whatsoever. I don't see a single reason to read this guy as scum.
Grackaroni: Town lean. Voted Hopeless and sees the problem with BH's case. I don't really know much about him aside from voting with me; it doesn't seem like he's had a whole lot of impact on what's going on at the moment, but I see him around poking fun at stuff. At least he's voting correctly.
Lian/Slam: Null. Really have no idea what to make of these two. None. I already talked about Lian before and I really don't want to take him out soon because I don't particularly like the case on him in the sense that I think it makes him mafia. I'd like to call Slam town because of his energy but that's it.
Batsnacks: Town. Seems pretty carefree at times but he's serious when he wants to figure something out. He's had a series of posts where he tries to reason stuff out, which I've always considered to be a strong indication of someone being town.
Hopeless: Scum. I've explained why. Funny part? Instead of defending himself against my accusation, he tries to stall for time by forcing me to give my townreads, and this is after he spent all game calling people town for no reason.
I'm not sure if I forgot anybody but I'm in a hurry, seeing as how we asked me for this shit right next to deadline.
cool i didn't have to pressure you :D
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On October 11 2014 12:16 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:12 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
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So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. i think my vote on damdred is far sufficient on pushing him, What else can I do when the big debate of today is between you and obi. And me pushing obi now will mean a tie but i want this debate over so I can move on to lynching damdred. Doing the far more important part when it comes to lynching mafia. step 1, find scum suspect (check) step 2, convince people to lynch scum suspect. (which you have not done all game regarding any of your scum suspects)
U & I are the same storr
no one is voting me and no one is voting for damdred. thus our voices are useless. I found scum suspect - damdred. Convince ppl to lynch damdred which I did in my earlier post.
3. people ignoring this fact because they're BLIND in the way that they are only focusing on hope and obi.
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On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
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So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two.
What in the hell is the meaning of this? Why should we ignore obi?
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On October 11 2014 12:24 StorrZerg wrote:
something cool
liam all ready claimed vt... he can't be a pr
nah i claimed being superman and being part of team U & I
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 11 2014 12:18 Holyflare wrote:
Meeehhhhhhhhhhh That's it? After you flip the fuck out over me not engaging mafia? That's all you have to say? I'm saying meh because you both could be town
you realize that now when we have 33 mins left?
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On October 11 2014 12:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:27 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 12:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 11 2014 12:18 Holyflare wrote:
Meeehhhhhhhhhhh That's it? After you flip the fuck out over me not engaging mafia? That's all you have to say? I'm saying meh because you both could be town you realize that now when we have 33 mins left? Did hopeless start magically posting before now? No.
he still hasnt posted his gravestone. I want him to post that gravestone.
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On October 11 2014 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:24 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:[quote] why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. What in the hell is the meaning of this? Why should we ignore obi? lolwut. I think OWS is town, is that not obvious from my filter? Or are you not reading that? Damdred/Lian scumteam 100%
post your gravestone. it seemed to me for a second you were taking one for the team and letting obi off the hook. Your either both town or both scum in my eyes.
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On October 11 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:
I liked how he explained everything so well i dunno how to explain it, he made me all tingly. Like he was happy to defend that case against him because he knew he was town kind of way
made you tingly? ok...
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On October 11 2014 12:37 Holyflare wrote:
Grack if we lynch damd you have to shoot hopeless or obi most probably because the entirety of tomorrow will be the same as today
that i would agree with i don't want the same discussion happening tomorrow it's too good a scenario for scum. No progress. Wait this is assuming he's vig.
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On October 11 2014 12:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:35 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 12:24 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:
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what changed regarding liam.
I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. What in the hell is the meaning of this? Why should we ignore obi? lolwut. I think OWS is town, is that not obvious from my filter? Or are you not reading that? Damdred/Lian scumteam 100% post your gravestone. it seemed to me for a second you were taking one for the team and letting obi off the hook. Your either both town or both scum in my eyes. I did, you and damdred. I gave brief reasons why. I've given literally every other player a townread.
you aren't giving much away like reasons why you think others are town and why you think damd and me are scummy
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damdred stop trying to flip things and cause shennanigans. And i agree with HF leaving things unresolved by lynching someone totally different isn't good for town.
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hope post your gravestone if your town it'll help us
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On October 11 2014 12:52 StorrZerg wrote:
Blazinghand
Alakaslam
KelsierSC
all afk right now? first 3 people on obi
your point?
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slam became a sad panda when no one took notice of him. We should give him love by accusing him of scum.
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just claim all the roles why dont you
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well HF is town prolly most definitely. well done bro
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well now i know why hope didnt post that gravestone
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On October 11 2014 13:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 13:09 liancourt wrote:
well now i know why hope didnt post that gravestone Why did you not vote on anyone despite saying we needed to kill them so discussion wouldn't be just about them?
well hope was gonna die anyway. Not like i had a deciding vote.
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On October 11 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
I was quite obviously shot last night and that's the only thing giving me pause so the person/people that would have shot me last night were either asleep because eu time or new people that didn't understand how extremely towny i actually am.
Lian/kel fall into that. Also in regards to kel it's something about how he goes into town reading people that irks me quite a lot, especially throwing out these random things like when i said i had a red check on hopeless and rather than question things about obi or any other reaction that would have been legit straight away jumped to hopeless being framed and has pushed obi no matter what all day despite obi still being town.
i'm liking this post of HF so very much right now
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On October 11 2014 13:35 StorrZerg wrote:
meh doesn't matter
im kinda sad i wasn't able to hammer h1. vote wasn't as close as i was hoping it to be
U & I are equally suspicious in not joining either train. Damdred is less scummy because it's hard to believe scum will point fingers at themselves, but there's slight chance this could be a very long running tactic.
Also, hopeless was the third vote on OO when obi also had 2 votes on him. Why didn't hopeless try to vote obi and vote his fellow scum. I can can conclude only one thing. Obi is also scum and hopeless voting the inactive OO scum is by far better than voting the active obi.
On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: ObviousOne
On October 08 2014 01:37 geript wrote:
Vote Count:
Grackaroni (0): batsnacks
Oatsmaster (0): batsnacks
Obvious One (3): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni, Hopeless1der
Palmer (1): batsnacks
Obiwanshinobi (2): Holyflare, Grackaroni
Holyflare (1): ObiWanShinobi
KelsierSC (1): Oatsmaster
liancourt (1): StorrZerg
Not Voting (5): Damdred, Palmer, liancourt, KelsierSC, ObviousOne
Currently Obvious One is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends at Wednesday, Oct 08 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
Moreover, hopeless says this here:
On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
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So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... You've already tried pushing lian. I tried pushing damdred. Neither of us got anything done. Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. Right now, palmar being lynched is more likely than either of them.
why does he tell us to ignore obi when he flips? When he said that, I came to the conclusion that they're both town or both scum.
And this is a repeat of what I said earlier so I'll just quote it again.
On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness. It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game.
My past suspicions on obi have resurfaced.
My #1 scum is obi. And i like all of HF's post especially on kel. So kel is #2.
And frankly, the U & I team, me and storr are both equally suspicious not voting on either wagon. #3 for us,
#4 for damdred in the off chance that he's the master strategizer and told hopeless to write a case on him.
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On October 11 2014 13:45 StorrZerg wrote:
so realistically hf had the option to push liam.
yet picked damd instead... O_o
if he is scum, which he flipped. why didnt he go for the easier liam push, rather than pushing damd which was much much harder
DING DING WINER WINNER CHICKEN DINER
why didn't he counter push obi?
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On October 11 2014 13:57 batsnacks wrote:
What if HF is mafia and killed his whole team?
I'd give him an oscar because that would be so fucked up and mind blowing that I would want him to win if he was mafia playing like this.
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On October 11 2014 14:00 Holyflare wrote:
Just going to continue with what i was saying earlier. I am the town roleblocker and i rb'd hopeless n1 so nobody was framed. If you have checks they are legit.
i think you've claimed every role in the game
applauds
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On October 11 2014 14:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 14:03 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 13:57 batsnacks wrote:
What if HF is mafia and killed his whole team? I'd give him an oscar because that would be so fucked up and mind blowing that I would want him to win if he was mafia playing like this. I've done it before
do i have put u has #1 then?
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so HF is cop
grack is vig
and there is indeed a medic?
so what HF said at the beginning of the day were all true? holy moly...
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On October 11 2014 14:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:49 liancourt wrote:
damdred stop trying to flip things and cause shennanigans. And i agree with HF leaving things unresolved by lynching someone totally different isn't good for town. Would mafia say this when their is a legit chance to get a lynch on someone else at the eod? I am seriously considering a world where lian is not the mafia righ tnow
thank you. can we focus on kel and obi now. you've dropped from my scum list so I won't be bothering you anymore because it's hard to believe scum would point at scum.
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On October 11 2014 14:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote:
so HF is cop
grack is vig
and there is indeed a medic?
so what HF said at the beginning of the day were all true? holy moly... No I'm a roleblocker
so u blocked hopeless thats even good news.
you can block whoever you think is mafia then. and grack can shoot the other person.
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or grack can shoot the person you think is mafia and you can block the other person.
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no wait mafia kp is factional so you couldn't have blocked hopeless...
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you would have no idea hopeless was mafia by just blocking him
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I suppose you can't block mafia kp when there's only 1 mafia left assuming there was 3 in the first place.
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don't know why you insist I make a will when U & I are equally guilty of not picking a side yesterday. kel and obi are far more suspicious than me.
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why don't you love me the way I love you storr.
oh man you are going to bang your head against the wall when I flip. Or mission success if you're scum. I'm done with analyzing you more pressing matters shoot kel or obi!
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if gracks says he shot me i'll write one sure, but I'm not gonna write one just because you tell me to
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top scum = obi (reasons in earlier post), kel (agree with HF on the framing thing)
null = palmer, slam, bats (palmer hasn't said anything, slam with how he votes he always votes early, he voted OO 2nd and voted obi early too indicating townish behavior, but the way he posts jibbersish now and seems indifferent to the game makes me think he's a bit hurt no one's responding to his posts because I can't make any sense of them. I just can't read what his motive is so null. Bats always changes his votes here and there don't know why he does that, but he says townish from time to time and I liked how he backed me up against storr a few times, but hasn't really done much townish things lately so null.
town = HF, damdred, BH, storr, me, grack (HF for pushing hopeless and getting things out of kel, well done. BH has been a town player from day1 and that hasn't changed despite him not voting hopeless. I agree with BH on reasons why obi should be lynched it's still very fishy and I added more reasons why I think obi is scum in my earlier night post so go look at that in my filter. grack well assuming he's vig he is town right? If he's lying lynch him. damdred, I dont think mafia points fingers at one of their own. And it's the reason I think hope didn't point fingers at obi. Storr, U & I just think so differently and yet we have the same tendencies to be stubborn. I learn and realize my mistakes, you apparently don't. So there's our major difference. U & I are both town. Stop being stubborn and look at the big picture.
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well there you go nice playing with you guys see you next game. I'm town btw.
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On October 12 2014 12:24 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 12:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shoot indiscriminately into the people on my wagon. The sooner those question marks disappear the better.
Lian's vote is counterintuitive in terms of saving Hopeless, so unless you think his gameplan was to get bussed/attacked by his partner at the outset of the game, he's probably town.
And I don't put faith into HF's roleclaims anymore since he claimed like 50 billion roles so far. while the vote was "counter intuitive" it was also not helpful considering he wasn't even trying to figure out who was mafia between obi and hopeless.
dude I thought them both town until hopeless posted that weird thing where he said ignore obi when he flips and thats when i thought they were either both town or both scum.. And I genuinely wanted the discussion between those 2 to be over so we'd be able to lynch damdred. Since hope flipped scum now I think obi is scum too.
And also you didn't vote either, stop trying to make everyone believe that I was the only one that didn't vote for either wagon because you didn't vote either.
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just shoot me now so storr can get off my back and be useful to town instead of constantly mentioning my name. And when I flip town and by god I will, and storr makes stupid excuses lynch his ass with fire. Dying wish = lynch storr day 3.
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next game I'm just going to tunnel lol
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EPT
