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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 09 2014 16:45 GMT
#1501
Lunch for me please post thoughts about my case, i'll answer or brain storm when I get back but i think hes scum.

Obi is town though so you guys be nice to him
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 09 2014 16:46 GMT
#1502
On October 10 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote:
@Hopeless, do you think Obi's push on you makes him mafia?

tbh feels townie.

On October 10 2014 01:27 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.

Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight.

fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter"


You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all.

You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating."


What if the bolded is why he's town?


I don't understand


Early game, HF bounces all over everything he can. He generally does that as either alignment. Way easier to assume he's town than to try and analyze him. after his night posting I'm sure hes town.


TLDR: I am looking for easy targets so I will buddy up to HF despite thinking he was scum early on day 1.

Qed.

You show me where I actually scumread HF, go ahead.


It doesn't matter if you thought he was actually scum or not, but the issue is that when a player confuses you or looks scummy or whatever, you go after them and ask them questions and try to figure them out. You never, ever did this. The points behind the motivations of your HF/Obi interaction are still superscum and you have yet to explain them away at all.

I see no reason to ever move my vote, and if the others have any sense, they will sheep me to glorious victory.

GLORIOUS VICTORY, COMRADES.

Player=HolyFlare
I assert that your argument falls to pieces. I have nothing to explain here.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 09 2014 16:46 GMT
#1503
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 16:46 GMT
#1504
On October 10 2014 01:45 Damdred wrote:
Lunch for me please post thoughts about my case, i'll answer or brain storm when I get back but i think hes scum.

Obi is town though so you guys be nice to him


hmm your case about lian has been made by store already it seems to me.

why is obi town?
Zerg for Life
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 09 2014 16:47 GMT
#1505
On October 10 2014 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote:
@Hopeless, do you think Obi's push on you makes him mafia?

tbh feels townie.

On October 10 2014 01:27 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.

Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight.

fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter"


You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all.

You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating."


What if the bolded is why he's town?


I don't understand


Early game, HF bounces all over everything he can. He generally does that as either alignment. Way easier to assume he's town than to try and analyze him. after his night posting I'm sure hes town.


TLDR: I am looking for easy targets so I will buddy up to HF despite thinking he was scum early on day 1.

Qed.

You show me where I actually scumread HF, go ahead.


It doesn't matter if you thought he was actually scum or not, but the issue is that when a player confuses you or looks scummy or whatever, you go after them and ask them questions and try to figure them out. You never, ever did this. The points behind the motivations of your HF/Obi interaction are still superscum and you have yet to explain them away at all.

I see no reason to ever move my vote, and if the others have any sense, they will sheep me to glorious victory.

GLORIOUS VICTORY, COMRADES.

Player=HolyFlare
I assert that your argument falls to pieces. I have nothing to explain here.


Not really. Saying that Holyflare is town because it's easier than trying to read him is basically the epitome of making up reasons to townread someone.

So you're still scum and you still need to get lynched.
Retired.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 16:47 GMT
#1506
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

hf and obi had a fight
Zerg for Life
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 09 2014 16:52 GMT
#1507
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

What kelsier just said,

+his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this)
+ refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads
+ making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 09 2014 16:52 GMT
#1508
On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

hf and obi had a fight


So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 09 2014 16:54 GMT
#1509
On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

hf and obi had a fight


So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.


Earlier in day 1 you said my posting wasn't the same.

Now it was the same?
Retired.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 09 2014 16:55 GMT
#1510
On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

hf and obi had a fight


So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.

I saw logical flaws in what HF was pushing and pointed them out...thats basically all that happened.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 16:55 GMT
#1511
I was just saying that was something hf had done.
Zerg for Life
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 09 2014 16:56 GMT
#1512
On October 10 2014 01:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

hf and obi had a fight


So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.


Earlier in day 1 you said my posting wasn't the same.

Now it was the same?


No. You aren't even doing that thing where you randomly show up and say

"Hello"

"Sup"

ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 09 2014 16:57 GMT
#1513
On October 10 2014 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

What kelsier just said,

+his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this)
+ refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads
+ making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town.


So let me get this straight.

HF didn't want to kill Lian.
HF was making up reasons as to why OO was scum, in yet you voted with HF on OO anyway.
If OO flips town, then that means that you only speak against the lynch after it happens anyway.

Can we please lynch this guy already.
Retired.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 09 2014 16:58 GMT
#1514
On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.

What about keslier guy?


cool story bats. moving right along because this isnt helpful...i got nothing right now. srsly though i'll reread after work and you know...do stuff.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 09 2014 16:58 GMT
#1515
On October 10 2014 01:56 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

hf and obi had a fight


So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.


Earlier in day 1 you said my posting wasn't the same.

Now it was the same?


No. You aren't even doing that thing where you randomly show up and say

"Hello"

"Sup"



Hello.
Retired.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 09 2014 16:59 GMT
#1516
On October 10 2014 01:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

What kelsier just said,

+his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this)
+ refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads
+ making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town.


So let me get this straight.

HF didn't want to kill Lian.
HF was making up reasons as to why OO was scum, in yet you voted with HF on OO anyway.
If OO flips town, then that means that you only speak against the lynch after it happens anyway.

Can we please lynch this guy already.

I didn't vote with HF, I voted with the power of RNGesus on my side. Ye of little faith, woe betide you.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 09 2014 17:00 GMT
#1517
On October 10 2014 01:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?

Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.

as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?


And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.

Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.


If you already answered this sorry but

Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.

What kelsier just said,

+his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this)
+ refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads
+ making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town.


So let me get this straight.

HF didn't want to kill Lian.
HF was making up reasons as to why OO was scum, in yet you voted with HF on OO anyway.
If OO flips town, then that means that you only speak against the lynch after it happens anyway.

Can we please lynch this guy already.

I didn't vote with HF, I voted with the power of RNGesus on my side. Ye of little faith, woe betide you.


Yeah, HF just happened to be on the vote that he made up reasons to be on anyway, according to you.

I love how you bussed your partner and gained absolutely nothing from it.
Retired.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 09 2014 17:02 GMT
#1518
Grats you replaced batsnacks on my /ignore list.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 09 2014 17:04 GMT
#1519
FUCK HE GOT ME.

I BETTER IGNORE HIM IN CASE HE SHITS ON ME EVEN MORE
Retired.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 09 2014 17:05 GMT
#1520
What do you guys think about damdred/his case?
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