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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:47 GMT
#1066
On October 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote:
I don't mind being on your list hf, i've been kind of lazy the past day and a half i'll bleed town soon as i get on a comp and reread and post some reads.


Don't worry dude I know you are town, I got ya back.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:50 GMT
#1070
On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?


why was his analysis bad?

I have him as town because he put the focus on OO and got him lynched.

Grak called him town with some good analysis.

Brought up how OO disapeared after the awkward post
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 21:37 GMT
#1126
So going to bed going to give more details in day but for now

store,bh,bs,grack ,hf and palmer are my strong town.

scum are obi and lian

everyone else was towny enough d1 or null but voted on OO so need to evaluate them d2 .

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:04 GMT
#1353
Read through the shenanigans of the night.

I really like the play of HF, the fake vigi claim was really good and I like his cop check. It fits with hf's logic to check someone in the OO wagon and he also said that he wasn't sure about HF earlier in n1, I read him as town around the votes and the night phase so I believe the claim.

Hopeless has been null to me most of the game, however there are some things that make me uncomfortable about this lynch. hopeless was null to a lot of people and hf said he wasn't sure why he was reading him town, he was in the OO vote which is where I am sure a mafia lies. It could possibly be that he was framed.

Secondly obi is one of the people who is totally on board this wagon. Now I am pretty sure obi is scummy. Also obi said that he thinks the lynch is outside the OO wagon.
But his two scum are now lynch lian/hope. both of them voted for OO.
I don't like lynching someone who my top scum is really happy to bandwagon behind.

Also obi had hf as one of his top mafia reads but now doesn't even question the legitimacy of a fake vig,fake medic, real cop.

I like hf as cop but I really don't think hope is mafia.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:15 GMT
#1357
On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote:
So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead?


I think hopeless was a very likely check if you are the cop, for the reasons I posted.

I don't think I am wrong on obi, his play has been very scummy and inconsistent.


Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:15 GMT
#1358
On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote:
So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead?


if obi is town...

then hope and lian are probably mafia
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:18 GMT
#1359
but I really don't like how obi is so quick to bandwagon behind you considering you were his top mafia read.

He hasn't even questioned you being cop but is happy to go with it.

He asks "has anyone given thoughts on hope"
next post "lynch this guy #vote"

His post was "lynch lian/hope" even though he said n1 to lynch outside the OO vote

I'm not lynching someone this guy is happy to lynch,
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:18 GMT
#1361
On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The shenanniest of shenannigans.

Seriously though, let me take the wheel. I got this shit.

##vote hopeless1der


On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
That's nice. I can get hopeless lynched without you.


Do you think you are in any position to lead a lynch on anyone, like be fucking real dude.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:20 GMT
#1363
On October 09 2014 16:19 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 16:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote:
So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead?


if obi is town...

then hope and lian are probably mafia


why are you lumping me and hope together?


you were scummy d1 and you voted on OO.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:31 GMT
#1365
On October 09 2014 16:25 liancourt wrote:
not like me voting for damdred, storr, plamer were gonna change anything because no one thought the same thing as me.


True but as I stated earlier voting OO is a good place for mafia to hide.

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 07:32 GMT
#1366
On October 09 2014 16:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 16:25 liancourt wrote:
not like me voting for damdred, storr, plamer were gonna change anything because no one thought the same thing as me.


True but as I stated earlier voting OO is a good place for mafia to hide.



Hence why hope was a really good cop check.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 09:03 GMT
#1381
On October 09 2014 17:50 Palmar wrote:
Can anyone give me a rundown of what the hell you guys are talking about so I don't have to wade through the pile of softclaims and shit?


or just read the thread, you know...play the fucking game maybe
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 09:04 GMT
#1382
On October 09 2014 18:02 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 09 2014 17:27 liancourt wrote:
On October 09 2014 17:10 Holyflare wrote:
On October 09 2014 17:10 liancourt wrote:
On October 09 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Lian you keep saying you doubt things but don't provide any analysis on what happened with the mafia night kill and where it went. Who were they shooting and why didn't they die?


that would mean i would believe grack is vig

u are cop

and that there is a doctor.

I believe none of it and just see mafia killing oats.


If you just see mafia killing oats then you should be voting grack for fake claiming vigilante


i should be voting you for fake claiming vig and cop and claiming there is a medic. But i'm inclined to think this was just another one of your "ploys". Like I said, you seem to enjoy trolling.


If you think Blazinghand is town then i saved your town read by claiming vig. If you really really think oatsmaster was a likely mafia kill after doing absolutely nothing the entire game I'm almost forced to believe you are mafia.


hmm lets see who else have done nothing...damd, storr and palmer. And why would you think mafia would target BH?


storr has been pretty active actually, I think his single mindedness is pretty town.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 09:04 GMT
#1383
Also Damd is town so.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 12:53 GMT
#1409
On October 09 2014 21:38 batsnacks wrote:
Would lynch:
Hopeless
Damdred
Kelsier
Maybe Store


why?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 13:19 GMT
#1411
Alright Going to give where I am at right now.

I am basically 100% convinced that Obi is mafia.

Around the voting stage and post lynch he was really scummy. He tried to get some weird lynch going on palmar and then backed off it, left his vote on hf in some over the top display of outrage, seemed upset after the vote where we caught mafia.

So in the night phase he says something like" oh we should lynch outside of the OO wagon", which is like such a generic and obviously incorrect thing to say. Also because it means he wants to lynch Storr,grack,bs and palmar, who are clearly town in my eyes.
Then despite saying this he says yeh lets lynch lian/hope. Both of who voted on OO. even though he said we should lynch outside the OO vote.

Then HF claims he is cop, and even though hf is obi's top mafia obi is like "yeh lets get hope!" he doesn't even question that hf is the real cop even though he was his top scum. I don't understand how in his eyes he can blindly follow hf.

Since then all his posts are just "lynch hope" "why aren't you lynching hope".

So i'm sure obi is mafia which makes it pretty obvious to me that hope is town.

The third mafia.

Between Slam, Dama, lian.

I need to see more of dam but I read him as town d1 and his play is consistent with the way he played last game and he got heat for it that game aswell.
Slam I want to post more.
Lian I read as scum previously and of that group of 3 he is the scummiest.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 13:25 GMT
#1413
Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.)


He also posted this, and then the next thing he posts about hopeless is how he is mafia, I don't see any progression of the the read at all.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 13:30 GMT
#1414
On October 09 2014 22:24 batsnacks wrote:
I don't understand at all why Liam is scummy.


Well storr zerg made a good case on him which I agree with.

My personal reason was that he gave his list post in which everyone was null
and then said he didn't want to lynch OO for a principaled reason even though the RNG thing happened much earlier and was irrelevant.

Also

On October 07 2014 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:

See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic.


I use this logic if I have played with that person before.

Show nested quote +


I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.


well what you said is that your 3 would be storr, damd and palmer.

Even though OO has been scummier and storr/damd have contributed more than him.

this means you would lynch storr/damd over OO by your reasoning right.

I don't know, I just think you don't want to vote OO just because it is a random vote but he is acting scummy as fuck and that is a good reason to lynch him over others. so using "oh it was random" at this point is kind of a weak defence. I would happily lynch OO right now tbh.




Finally I think the 3rd mafia hid his vote on OO and out of slam,dam and lian I find lian scummiest.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 13:35 GMT
#1416
On October 09 2014 22:33 batsnacks wrote:
I think you just gave the same reason three times... Because he said he didn't want to vote OO because of RNG?

Is that wrong?


No I made that point once.

The quote was about how he would rather lynch storr/damd over OO which makes no sense to me.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2014 13:35 GMT
#1417
On October 09 2014 22:33 batsnacks wrote:
I think you just gave the same reason three times... Because he said he didn't want to vote OO because of RNG?

Is that wrong?


Also using the RNG defence at that time was irrelvant, we were lynching OO because he was scummy as fuck not because of RNG.
Zerg for Life
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