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On October 08 2014 02:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:33 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 02:27 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 02:24 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job! I'm at work I think Liam is town why, please explain New people on this site get free town reads from me If you want a better explanation I'll be around for serious later yes i'd like a better reason than policy It's a good policy I think our player base would be larger if new people didn't always have to read a small novels' worth criticizing everything they do
I welcome the criticism. It gets me posting
As storr probably implied I'm not that accustomed to pressuring people. And if that's the trait he thinks a scum would have then so be it. Regardless of whatever I say it seems apparent he's going to keep tunneling me. Does BH and storr have similar meta games? They seem similar to me tunneling on 1 person from the start. LIke from the get go they attack that one person only.
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On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote:
BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think? Sure! I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian. I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating: Show nested quote +Storrzerg
The question is, who does he think are scummy?
1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town
So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"
And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.
The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow. I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.
I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick 1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined. 1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something. 2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow
So basically, if I put one name down as scummy and gave a valid reason for it I wouldn't be scummy for it? You and storr have very similar play tactics. Pressure one person. Yea it's good and all, but don't try to influence others into playing the way you two play. And then calling them scummy if they don't play to it.
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On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now?
It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything.
Town stamp
Null stamp
Scum stamp
People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone.
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On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post.
which post are you refering to?
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On October 08 2014 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote:
Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Not sure if you're aware, but we're lynching my RNG target today so nya nya nya. On top of that, I literally wrote a case against OO entirely because I RNGed him and there's nothing you can do to stop me from saying that. Granted, OO happens to also be scum, but the REASON I'm voting him is because of my slavish devotion to D1 RNG. Bear in mind, I never use RNG after D1. So you don't have to worry about that. But this is RNG. Once again, I have pushed an RNG lynch. I am god.
well if you don't use it after day 1 I can be content.
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On October 08 2014 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
@liancourt:
can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO
I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr. I'll do grack first. He defends BH and agrees with HF goes against obi. And not much anything else. Null. Frankly I'd like to ask people why they think he is town. Slam posts a lot of...w/e. And I was surprised he gave some valid insigts in between the filler posts so generally he leans towards town. Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Although I don't like storr for tunneling me from the start I can understand why he's doing this. I think it's a diffference between the way we think. He thought that nonsense with the RNG was total bollocks because he states that BH's RNG is not alignment indicative while I thought it was before everyone came crashing down on me. I thought that discussion was important for me because it later convinced me to where I am now, but he doesn't think so, in his eyes it was a load of fluff. Grak is town for me because at the beginning of the day he seemed really happy, excited and jokey. If you look through his filter he gave some good reasons for why BH is town , felt towny to me. He also paid close attention to what obi was saying. asking him why obi asked dama/lian specifically and then "catching" obi.
grack IMPOV just defended BH's RNG and that it was his usual thing to do prasing it even iirc. Defending RNG doesn't necessarily mean he is townie. As countless people have said that RNG isn't "alignment indicative" why does defending RNG make him townie? It just makes him null.
There Grack gets a stamp of [NULL]
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On October 08 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now? Oh and Vote ObviousOne What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment.
Shall I use my stamp?
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On October 08 2014 05:24 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. So just read your filter when you were discussing BH and I don't really see you pushing hard scum on him. You disliked the RNG, but then you said he was town because of a different post. then you said he felt towny but the RNG was mafia indicative. This isn't a hard push imo You also made a post saying "from D1 I got....." but BH wasn't mentioned on that list. I think one of the main issues isn't that you don't stamp everything but you haven't stamped a single thing. Even now I am not sure who you think is town or mafia.
And in response I read your filter too and it seems you and I think alike especially the early game with the oats/bats business and the RNG thing. And your interactions with me seemed genuine. But you didn't answer this question on why you changed your mind so quickly.
On October 07 2014 19:47 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
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One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so. huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind?
Other than that you seem [TOWN]
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On October 08 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:30 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now? Oh and Vote ObviousOne What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment. Shall I use my stamp? You can use as many stamps as you like, tell me why storr is scum or town. Don't tell me storr thinks differently than you do. I guess the inferred read is that Storr is town.
storr town
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On October 08 2014 05:44 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. I see your pressure against BH as meaningless, since it could be done regardless of your alignment since you have made it apparent that you don't like to lynch via RNG. Hence you could push bh, regardless of your alignment, since its policy form your standpoint. Also your stance to vote OO is why? "na nanna boo boo see i can vote ?" I mean OO is afk. big woop?
Thought as much you just think my discussion was null because you think its null when it wasn't for me.
So we let afkers off scott free? Is that your policy of disregarding everything but tunneling on one person and everything he does? Like I said I'm suspicious of low lyers and OO is one of them. And after reading BH's post which I have said were townie and his arguement against OO i agree with him so I voted OO.
Let me ask you this. Are you going to give me your opinion on others or are you going to scrutinize me for everything I do and having an opposite stance on everything? It'd be nice if you gave opinions on others rather than just me. It doesn't give much info on you except for the fact that you are just tunneling me. And after I'm gone town is left with nothing but your filter full of you attacking me. So, your thoughts on others if you will or I might change your stamp to scum.
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On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome
Well damd scum.
Half his filter is filled with questions and only a select few really address some form of issue. It's like he's acting to try and seem active but when really he is on nobody's radar and is low lying. There isn't anything worth mentioning where he put out a genuine case to someone. He just pokes and pokes around. He doesn't follow on anything.
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On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
@Palmar
Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction. Nope, haven't read any of it.
when exactly are you going to post anything so I can analyze you?
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On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:14 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post. which post are you refering to? The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit. If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch. Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant. Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip.
I Agree with the scumslip thing. I don't think it had any relevance.
And you're going to have to quote the post for me because for some reason I can't pin point it.
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On October 08 2014 06:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Lian, here's your new stamp: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8vG026.jpg) Please make sure you fill it out accordingly
cool I'll use this on somebody I think it's what everyone is waiting for.
And why might I ask you think I'm scum. Because apparently throwing out scum cards is the new way to be town.
Maybe I should refrain from making everyone seem good and just start scum reading people.
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oh wait hope wasnt pointing fingers at me he was just giving me the scum sheet.
my bad
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On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote:
I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him.
why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read.
on what grounds he hasnt posted anything of worth yet
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On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.
a moment ago you said the scumslip was irrelevant and now you say for pointing out the scumslip bats must be town?
And you go on to say we should ignore him for the rest of the game? Even if you have a town read on him you should never just ignore him unless your 100% certain he is confirmed town.
To me thats like saying bats is my mafia homie ignore him please so that he can lie low and keep him alive.
I'll use that scum stamp hope gave me.
palmar
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On October 08 2014 06:05 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:04 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 05:44 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.
@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ? lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. I see your pressure against BH as meaningless, since it could be done regardless of your alignment since you have made it apparent that you don't like to lynch via RNG. Hence you could push bh, regardless of your alignment, since its policy form your standpoint. Also your stance to vote OO is why? "na nanna boo boo see i can vote ?" I mean OO is afk. big woop? Thought as much you just think my discussion was null because you think its null when it wasn't for me. So we let afkers off scott free? Is that your policy of disregarding everything but tunneling on one person and everything he does? Like I said I'm suspicious of low lyers and OO is one of them. And after reading BH's post which I have said were townie and his arguement against OO i agree with him so I voted OO. Let me ask you this. Are you going to give me your opinion on others or are you going to scrutinize me for everything I do and having an opposite stance on everything? It'd be nice if you gave opinions on others rather than just me. It doesn't give much info on you except for the fact that you are just tunneling me. And after I'm gone town is left with nothing but your filter full of you attacking me. So, your thoughts on others if you will or I might change your stamp to scum. im sorry you all ready town read me you can't change your mind right now.
on who's authority? After my reading you you put in content that makes me want to change my mind. And if you don't follow up on my request I'm inclined to change my read on you.
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On October 08 2014 06:07 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt care to update your stance on Damdred
tell me what you think instead of grilling me continuously. And he's scum I put this in an earlier post.
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On October 08 2014 06:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.
This is strange too. If he's acting like what you think mafia would act, why do you hate to admit it? I always like it when people act like mafia.
you need to keep on reading the answers there after many many pages.
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