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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#741
On October 08 2014 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Like I have literally no clue what you're talking about Hopeless

I know you like to say you never read anything but....seriously? You havent seen BH do his "This post# Mod playercount = RNG lynch 10000%" before?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#742
On October 08 2014 06:19 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
@Palmar

Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction.

Nope, haven't read any of it.


when exactly are you going to post anything so I can analyze you?

I already am!
Computer says mafia
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#743
On October 08 2014 06:19 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
@Palmar

Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction.

Nope, haven't read any of it.


when exactly are you going to post anything so I can analyze you?

look out palmar he's got a stamp!
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 21:22 GMT
#744
On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:14 liancourt wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post.


which post are you refering to?

The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit.

If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch.

Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant.

Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip.


I Agree with the scumslip thing. I don't think it had any relevance.

And you're going to have to quote the post for me because for some reason I can't pin point it.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 07 2014 21:22 GMT
#745
On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:
Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant.

Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip.


I love you for this, Palmar. I promise to not be scum this game just because this reasoning is so glorious. It just makes me so happy that you're in this game. Therefore, I grant you one Limited Wish to use as you want this game, any time between now and game end. I grant you this Wish entirely on principle, because the principle of the matter is strong with you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 07 2014 21:25 GMT
#746
On October 08 2014 06:09 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 06:06 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:14 liancourt wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post.


which post are you refering to?

The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit.

If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch.

Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant.

Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip.


So OO got RNG'd and laughed it off and drew a train, which initially felt town to me. But as it became clear BH was serious, rather than get pissed off or fight he self voted and vanished.
You haven't been here the whole game so it is a bit different in your case.

I am really surprised that there is only that one thing stopping you from lynching BH


BH didn't say that though (and I wasn't aware that OO self voted). I read this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23075621 and was under the impression BH mostly wanted to lynch OO for basically being uninterested.




Oh, sorry, let me be clear. I'm lynching OO basically on policy here. I RNGed him so I'm lynching him. After trying to convince people to lynch him just for RNG reasons, I realized this wasn't very convincing so I started talking about how he's inactive, and people jumped on the wagon. I think I've explicitly stated I've written my case against OO entirely just because he got RNGed. It also happens to be a good case, btw-- my motivations don't change the facts-- but RNG guides me on this one. I take responsibiility for my decision to lynch OO based on RNG because no other case has been suffeciently convincing
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 21:27 GMT
#747
On October 08 2014 06:18 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome


Well damd scum.

Half his filter is filled with questions and only a select few really address some form of issue. It's like he's acting to try and seem active but when really he is on nobody's radar and is low lying. There isn't anything worth mentioning where he put out a genuine case to someone. He just pokes and pokes around. He doesn't follow on anything.



Could you go into more detail.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 21:27 GMT
#748
On October 08 2014 06:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
Lian, here's your new stamp:
[image loading]

Please make sure you fill it out accordingly


cool I'll use this on somebody I think it's what everyone is waiting for.

And why might I ask you think I'm scum. Because apparently throwing out scum cards is the new way to be town.

Maybe I should refrain from making everyone seem good and just start scum reading people.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 21:27 GMT
#749
Your word is good enough for me. So who do we lynch?

I skimmed Oats' filter. I wasn't there, was he really that pissed off about some asshats claiming like they do every game?
Computer says mafia
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 21:29 GMT
#750
oh wait hope wasnt pointing fingers at me he was just giving me the scum sheet.

my bad
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 21:30 GMT
#751
On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote:
I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him.
why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read.


on what grounds he hasnt posted anything of worth yet
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:31 GMT
#752
On October 08 2014 06:29 liancourt wrote:
oh wait hope wasnt pointing fingers at me he was just giving me the scum sheet.

my bad

To be fair I am scumreading you for that same list post +reasoning Storr has in his case.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 21:33 GMT
#753
On October 08 2014 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Like I have literally no clue what you're talking about Hopeless

I know you like to say you never read anything but....seriously? You havent seen BH do his "This post# Mod playercount = RNG lynch 10000%" before?

Yes but I was under the impression that didn't matter (BH has clarified now). The posts I read it looked like BH was mostly lynching OO for inactivity and being disinterested, and he also mentioned something about how OO reacted to something.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:36 GMT
#754
Alright I have work early tomorrow so going to give my reads in brief form as they stand and post my vote.

Town

Grak - happy entry to the thread, gave insightful comments on BH, was paying close attention to obi enough to catch him in a "slip"

Storr - Seemed town early with his lian pressure, seems very focused on him, excellent post damning lian which I pretty much 100% agreed with.

Ala - I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging at oats, had a null on obi at a time when that was correct . Early town read but that is how my D1 works.

Dam - Seems to be like his D1 last game when he was town, could be more active though

BH - RNG was dumb but it worked out and mentioning how OO responded to it felt towny, Grak thinks he is town.

BS - Liked the early Bats trap

Oats - seemed genuinely frustrated with bats in a town way

Obi - good entry and asked good questions to formulate reads, seemed genuinely pissed off with HF attacking him.
Not happy with his reads of grak, HF and hope but I think he is just pissed off with grak and HF so OMGUS

Null

Hope - Didn't like his early play but seemed to have a good early read of lian.

HF - Think some of my town called him town, don't like that he has pushed on people I called town. Could be eager beaver, misguided town. Could be scum

Scum

OO - got caught with the RNG, awkward posted and fucked off

Lian - everyone is null, wanted to lynch dama/storr over OO.

Palmar - inactive, lazy, think his reads are false.








Zerg for Life
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 21:36 GMT
#755
On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.

This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.


a moment ago you said the scumslip was irrelevant and now you say for pointing out the scumslip bats must be town?

And you go on to say we should ignore him for the rest of the game? Even if you have a town read on him you should never just ignore him unless your 100% certain he is confirmed town.

To me thats like saying bats is my mafia homie ignore him please so that he can lie low and keep him alive.

I'll use that scum stamp hope gave me.

palmar
[image loading]
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:38 GMT
#756
##vote ObviousOne
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:38 GMT
#757
##vote ObviousOne
Zerg for Life
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 21:39 GMT
#758
On October 08 2014 06:05 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 06:04 liancourt wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:44 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.

my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.

@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ?


lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant


I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird.

He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore.

did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now?


It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything.

Town stamp
Null stamp
Scum stamp

People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone.



I see your pressure against BH as meaningless, since it could be done regardless of your alignment since you have made it apparent that you don't like to lynch via RNG. Hence you could push bh, regardless of your alignment, since its policy form your standpoint.

Also your stance to vote OO is why? "na nanna boo boo see i can vote ?"
I mean OO is afk. big woop?


Thought as much you just think my discussion was null because you think its null when it wasn't for me.

So we let afkers off scott free? Is that your policy of disregarding everything but tunneling on one person and everything he does? Like I said I'm suspicious of low lyers and OO is one of them. And after reading BH's post which I have said were townie and his arguement against OO i agree with him so I voted OO.

Let me ask you this. Are you going to give me your opinion on others or are you going to scrutinize me for everything I do and having an opposite stance on everything? It'd be nice if you gave opinions on others rather than just me. It doesn't give much info on you except for the fact that you are just tunneling me. And after I'm gone town is left with nothing but your filter full of you attacking me. So, your thoughts on others if you will or I might change your stamp to scum.



im sorry you all ready town read me you can't change your mind right now.


on who's authority? After my reading you you put in content that makes me want to change my mind. And if you don't follow up on my request I'm inclined to change my read on you.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 21:40 GMT
#759
On October 08 2014 06:36 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.

This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.


a moment ago you said the scumslip was irrelevant and now you say for pointing out the scumslip bats must be town?

And you go on to say we should ignore him for the rest of the game? Even if you have a town read on him you should never just ignore him unless your 100% certain he is confirmed town.

To me thats like saying bats is my mafia homie ignore him please so that he can lie low and keep him alive.

I'll use that scum stamp hope gave me.

palmar
[image loading]

This guy 4rela?
Computer says mafia
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 21:40 GMT
#760
On October 08 2014 06:30 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote:
I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him.
why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read.


on what grounds he hasnt posted anything of worth yet


are you ignoring the 15+ posts he has made in the past hour or something?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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