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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 00:18 GMT
#361
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:25 GMT
#362
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.
Retired.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
October 07 2014 00:30 GMT
#363
ill make a case on someone tonight or tomorrow morning i swear its going to be good

#prepthebadwagons
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 00:31 GMT
#364
On October 07 2014 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 09:15 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:56 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.


exactly 0 accountability.


What angle are you working here, exactly?


I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash.


So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated?


nailed it


Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated.


If you keep bringing past games up on me I can't exactly empathize with you mate. So I'm solely basing it on this game and how I feel about it. All I'm saying is there's more potential for abuse than it will do good.

It's like a nuclear bomb. It has the potential to do much worse things than being used as a source of peacekeeper device. I hope this analogy is correct


The issue isn't that you called it a bad strategy, because it is. The issue is that you said he could only be scum for suggesting such a strategy, which is factually incorrect.


In my eyes why would town pick a bad strat to play with. Oh wait BH believes it's a good strat. Bad strats a bad strat and believing it a good strat just makes me wonder. And as mentioned he's played it before as town and as scum so who's to believe he's playing it as town this time around.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:36 GMT
#365
Who's to say he's only doing it as scum this time around?

This question goes both ways.
Retired.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
October 07 2014 00:37 GMT
#366
Vote Count:
Grackaroni (0): batsnacks
Oatsmaster (0): batsnacks
Obvious One (3): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
Palmer (1): batsnacks

Not Voting (10):Hopeless1der, Damdred, Palmer, Oatsmaster, liancourt, KelsierSC, Holyflare, ObviousOne, ObiWanShinobi, StorrZerg

Day 1 ends at Wednesday, Oct 08 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 00:37 GMT
#367
From day 1 what I'm getting is

oats just over reacting

OO acting strangely i admit

hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF

I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 00:38 GMT
#368
On October 07 2014 09:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who's to say he's only doing it as scum this time around?

This question goes both ways.


Is the poisoned wine in front of me or you?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 07 2014 00:40 GMT
#369
On October 07 2014 09:38 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 09:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who's to say he's only doing it as scum this time around?

This question goes both ways.


Is the poisoned wine in front of me or you?


He's tricking you. Both glasses are poisoned.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:41 GMT
#370
I really don't understand your angle here.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 07 2014 00:43 GMT
#371
the princess bride
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 07 2014 00:43 GMT
#372
alternatively 45 degrees
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:45 GMT
#373
Ba dum tish.
Retired.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 01:00 GMT
#374
If you are argue that it can go both ways then it just goes nowhere.

Much like following the random lynch. You can't really say they are scum or town because they are just following random votes.

But I'm inclined to think those following the random lynch don't want to be read. And I'm almost forced to think that thos epeople who don't want to be read are those that scum.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2014 01:27 GMT
#375
Who's following the random lynch liancourt?

Batsnacks, I am utterly sorry for the abuse I heaped on you and your plan yesterday. I went on and on and on totally unreasonably. My bad. Your plan was fine.

Hf, I called grack probably town because he's the only other one that jokingly claimed.
No gg, No skill.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 01:29 GMT
#376
On October 07 2014 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who's following the random lynch liancourt?

Batsnacks, I am utterly sorry for the abuse I heaped on you and your plan yesterday. I went on and on and on totally unreasonably. My bad. Your plan was fine.

Hf, I called grack probably town because he's the only other one that jokingly claimed.


Obvious One (3): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni

kinda out there in plain sight
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 01:33 GMT
#377
reading
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 01:35 GMT
#378
On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.


Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 01:45 GMT
#379
On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.


Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy.


I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.
Retired.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 01:46 GMT
#380
On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.


Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy.


I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.


Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though.
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