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On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments
And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol".
This is the point I'm at.
I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven.
You think it couldn't?
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We're switching to hopeless because I brought him up. The fact that no one had done so before should make you support my case if anything.
And yes, I want to lynch him. It's a good lynch.
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There's literally 2 people on him and you haven't called palmar mafia so why the fuck are you calling it mafia driven???
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On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't?
It's literally me and HF
Which one of us is scum?
Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless?
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you're like this close to have your permission to have opinions revoked GB.
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On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless?
Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be.
I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me.
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On September 26 2014 22:48 Palmar wrote:
you're like this close to have your permission to have opinions revoked GB.
HAHAHAHA ok.
I'm just posting what I think. It's up to you to evaluate if I'm right or wrong because I was incapable of leading town anyway.
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On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me.
Who sheeps and who doesn't sheep has nothing to do with the validity of the case.
Either you think I'm right on hopeless or wrong. Go figure out which one you think I am. When you've realized that I'm more likely to be right, vote him.
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On September 26 2014 22:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. Who sheeps and who doesn't sheep has nothing to do with the validity of the case. Either you think I'm right on hopeless or wrong. Go figure out which one you think I am. When you've realized that I'm more likely to be right, vote him.
Yes, it has. A well written case on a townie from a townie is a gift to mafia. I would totally sheep you if I were mafia.
I'll re read the case and tell you what I think
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I have no idea how you think me dropping my haru case was awkward when like 5 people have said it was towny. Not to mention haru is still in my list of scummy people. I also think it's pretty weird you've kept the same scum reads all game
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On September 26 2014 22:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:48 Palmar wrote:
you're like this close to have your permission to have opinions revoked GB. HAHAHAHA ok. I'm just posting what I think. It's up to you to evaluate if I'm right or wrong because I was incapable of leading town anyway.
If you allow yourself to think like this, all mafia has to do if one of their scumbuddies is being voted is to bus the fuck out of him, and you will defend him because "the wagon might be mafia driven"
Trust me, I understand what you're trying to do, but it's generally a terrible idea to judge someone's alignment on the actions of others.
For example, JAT and HF say I might be right on Hopeless. That doesn't say anything about Hopeless. Only Hopeless posts as Hopeless, and thus only posts made by Hopeless should be used to evaluate Hopeless. All I did was draw attention to him in order for you to read him.
You cannot judge Hopeless' alignment based on what HF does. HF could be bussing, HF could be jumping easy town lynch, HF could be town and agree with me, and HF could be town and wrong. There's literally nothing you can know about Hopeless based on what HF does, simply because HF is not Hopeless, they're different people.
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On September 26 2014 22:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. Who sheeps and who doesn't sheep has nothing to do with the validity of the case. Either you think I'm right on hopeless or wrong. Go figure out which one you think I am. When you've realized that I'm more likely to be right, vote him. Yes, it has. A well written case on a townie from a townie is a gift to mafia. I would totally sheep you if I were mafia. I'll re read the case and tell you what I think
Sure I might be wrong, but then TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG. Explain why Hopeless is town using posts from hopeless. Don't tell me I'm wrong because HF voted with me. That has nothing to do with my case. I could not possibly have known who would agree with me when I wrote the case.
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Killing's filter is quite awful too.
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On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:Filters time: Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest. That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here. Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work) Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information? Lol... HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me. Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read. That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia? Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.
This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is. I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game. Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today. I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list.
First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative.
Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive.
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On September 26 2014 22:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:51 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:48 Palmar wrote:
you're like this close to have your permission to have opinions revoked GB. HAHAHAHA ok. I'm just posting what I think. It's up to you to evaluate if I'm right or wrong because I was incapable of leading town anyway. If you allow yourself to think like this, all mafia has to do if one of their scumbuddies is being voted is to bus the fuck out of him, and you will defend him because "the wagon might be mafia driven" Trust me, I understand what you're trying to do, but it's generally a terrible idea to judge someone's alignment on the actions of others. For example, JAT and HF say I might be right on Hopeless. That doesn't say anything about Hopeless. Only Hopeless posts as Hopeless, and thus only posts made by Hopeless should be used to evaluate Hopeless. All I did was draw attention to him in order for you to read him. You cannot judge Hopeless' alignment based on what HF does. HF could be bussing, HF could be jumping easy town lynch, HF could be town and agree with me, and HF could be town and wrong. There's literally nothing you can know about Hopeless based on what HF does, simply because HF is not Hopeless, they're different people.
You're right palmar.
I'm convinced.
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I forgot about killing too and I think he is playing very close to hopeless style
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On September 26 2014 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Killing's filter is quite awful too.
I only have issue with one of his posts where he lists haru who had done nothing at the time in his town circle. Other than that i agreed with his summary list thing. What don't you like?
Oh and his hopeless thing because fecal said it first but that could just be oversight.
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I almost want to kill killing more tbh, just for his town circle list which included people who have no business being on there for absolutely no good reasons.
But for now let's see what Hopeless says when he comes back.
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On September 26 2014 23:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Killing's filter is quite awful too. I only have issue with one of his posts where he lists haru who had done nothing at the time in his town circle. Other than that i agreed with his summary list thing. What don't you like? Oh and his hopeless thing because fecal said it first but that could just be oversight.
Because I don't think he has actual reasons for his reads for the most part.
And yes, haru and hopeless in his townie list was just awful. Even if they are town, no one who is actually thinking critically about the game should have town reads on them atm.
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Meh well I'd love for these people to do more things
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