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On October 09 2014 03:34 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:07 abuse wrote:
I think that if dusts does not show up and place a vote down until EoD, we're better off lynching him. Because if Zen flips town, and dusts gets modkilled and also flips town, we will start being in a very crappy position with 3 towns killed at the beginning of D2
I think zen is a good lynch, but if we consider that this is a newbie game, there is a wildcard that he can be a town that messed up very badly, so the chance of him flipping town in the end is there. even if not a big one..
Also more people need to step up and voice their concerns and their thoughts on everyone.. Currently people not laying their cards down about everyone else will hurt us a lot on D2.. I'd much rather go into D2 seeing how people read others before we received at least 2 flips via D1 lynch and N1 kill.. I don't think zen is a wildcard newbie lynch here. Usually the wildcard lynch is on someone who is controversial, which was loaf. The more I interact with zen the more I'm liking this lynch. If you have some time today I would really like it if you could put some pressure on breshke (i.e. second wagon). I'm sticking to zen because I believe in the lynch and I'm also leading the wagon.
Well my breshke case is in my megapost. He is by no means town in my book currently, and I hope people see what I wrote there.
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On October 09 2014 03:58 Rad wrote:
I will say that the whole "you're friends with dusts" and "didn't know it was that strict" thing has thrown me for a brainfuck of a loop.
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pls clarify?
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On October 09 2014 04:07 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 04:03 abuse wrote:On October 09 2014 03:58 Rad wrote:
I will say that the whole "you're friends with dusts" and "didn't know it was that strict" thing has thrown me for a brainfuck of a loop.
. pls clarify? You didn't know the game was that strict, and dusts doesn't seem to be interested in playing. How do I know dusts didn't tell you his role? If he did tell you his role, what does that mean in regards to your recommendation to lynch him. Mix that with your considering me leaning scum. It's a logical brainfuck and I don't know if I should ignore it or try to figure it out.
The answer is fairy simple - why on earth would I ruin a mafia game that I have waited more than a month to play in by asking for his role? We haven't talked about anything game related so don't concern yourself with that as it is against the rules of the game. It should be just as big of a worry as it is of any other player asking someone their role via PM.
Also, don't worry about WIFOM and whatnot. Lists are not as bad as you make them to be. Having lists is better than not having anything to go by and makes it harder for scum to hide.
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On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though.
Dusts: *tumbleweed*
Rad:town, actively looking for more scum even while there's a wagon.
Super:null/town, the big instigator of the wagon. No counter wagons and a rock solid argument. Why null/town and not town? Weird gut feelings that i can't explain.
Abuse:null, while he pushed loafery and looked town because of it, it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon. Elvis!'s actions don't help him either.
Elvis:scum/null, i hope he posts more, currently he has no vote and was only voting on loaf because he had pressure
Breshke: scum, pretty similar story to zen-man, i think this is a really good person to look at after the flip, or even right now. I would but i have already screwed this post up many times. Thanks phone.
Everyone else: null or i don't remember your posts
Did you, like, even read any posts posted today?
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also, what elvis's actions?
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On October 09 2014 05:35 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though. Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2.
so if he flips scum you won't reevaluate the game? are you so completely sure that breshke is the 2nd scum?
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On October 09 2014 05:59 Superbia wrote:
Feeling a little iffy, but cross your fingers boys!
:/
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Guess it's time to start looking elsewhere.
I am not a big fan of posting during the night, so my more important post will probably appear near the end of N2.
Meanwhile, everyone please reevaluate what has happened so far, and who had what kind of interaction with zen. Who could have acted while knowing zen's alignment, to get town points or to push zen without basis and or in a scummy way.
and yes
@Mods what will happen to dusts?
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On October 09 2014 06:08 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Well, that was a short time played, though it was fun getting some of the old mafia action. Hope you guys do well here, and goodluck.
You will be avenged. Hope to see you in more games, and making cases after reading the thread more carefully!
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On October 09 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh I just re-read abuse's post and I get why he got mad at me.
I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed.
Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard.
What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself.
Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care?
Please do share, and make it good.
Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff.
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On October 09 2014 15:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 15:17 abuse wrote:On October 09 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh I just re-read abuse's post and I get why he got mad at me.
I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed.
Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard. What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself. Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care? Please do share, and make it good.Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff. So I spend the time to re-read the thread to see if I missed anything and get scumread for it? Nice.
I am not scumreading you yet.
I am doubting you not because you spend time to re-read the thread, but because you did not read something like that carefully before EoD.
And because of this -
On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Abuse:null, while he pushed loafery and looked town because of it, it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon. Elvis!'s actions don't help him either.
Is that really all you have to say about me, if you had read that post? Because this quote implies that you ignored that post completely
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Especially considering the fact that "it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon" is bs, because i did it in pretty much my next post after comming back from being away from the thread. And I still don't understand what are elvis!'s actions and what do they have to do with anything.
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@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
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On October 09 2014 16:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
How close to the end of N1? I'd like to be awake for it but deadline is earlyish in the morning for me already.
You'll catch it either way during D2, so don't worry.
On October 09 2014 16:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post.
That's a good point, but there is a reason.
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Also, I didn't say the person who'd call you mafia would get a town read.
I said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.)
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Okay so, I think Breshke is scum, and most likely the second scum is loafery because:
1)Breshke spends the first half of day1 criticising loafery as loafery was the first wagon to be made.
His first post on the matter comments on loafery saying he is confirmed town. (post)This post by loafer is scummy in every person's book who has ever played mafia, and it was already being pointed out by others in the thread.
Afterwards, just a few posts later, he feels the need to say basically the same thing again in this post. This is scummy, because town have no reason to post the same thing again, if they have already said it once, especially if it already being discussed in the thread. Scum on the other hand do type this kind of things, because they want to show the thread that they are also a part of what is going on. As scum have more information than town about the roles in the game, they have a guilty conscience when it comes to discussing about people who they already know everything there is to know about and this one of the ways how it manifests itself. The fact that Breshke "suspects" loaf is also shown in his post here .
He later starts teaching and explaining stuff to loafery, shown in his post here .
Afterwards, this post happens:
+ Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:25 loafery wrote about Superbia:
you are awfully staying in the background and letting others do the work while you just ask questions and try to care about twhats going on. I have a scum read on you right now.
Also i like this post as i was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it.
He instantly drops all suspicions on loafery and calls him town, after loafery does a 1 line post about superbia staying in the shadows. Please note that at this time, pretty much nobody gave any reads out at all. There was no case at all available, except my push on loafery. Why would you drop your suspicions so easily? Also the phrase "I was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it". These thoughts of breshke have not been showing up ANYWHERE before.
2) AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
Superbia made his push on zen, and it was getting mixed responses but mainly positive ones, and many people demanded Zen defends himself, but he was nowhere to be found.
Breshke, makes this post:
On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote:I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 23:12 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. tell me what do you think about this post ? I'm pretty sure all the points he brought up were brought up before. Interested to see what he has to say when he comes back. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man
Let me walk you through what has happened here.
Breshke, without mentioning The_Zen_Man even once during this entire fiasco, has, in one post, defended The_Zen_Man. has called him null, and has voted for him. This makes ZERO sense as town. Town does not know what Zen man's real alignment is. Town only knows, that Zen has a case about him, and he is being held under suspicion. What is the reason for defending him? Why would you not let him defend himself, to read him even more and that way find out if he is scum or not? Now, if you are scum, and you KNOW that Zen is town, then you CAN defend him for no reason, to get town cred when he gets lynched. But to not be noticed too much, you also throw in saying that you think he is null, and after all that, you make your very first vote of the game on the person who you just defended, AND who you called null. And this person is also somebody who has had lots of controversy around him, and you are pretty much the only person in the thread who has not even mentioned him up until that point. This does not make sense from a town perspective. This is a scum jumping on an easy bandwagon, while trying to not seem too pushy by defending him also, and calling him null, while letting others do the push itself.
3) He reads Rad's push on Fecalfeast and soon after votes for him.
What happens here is Rad pushes fecalfeast and FoS's him. (note, he does not vote for him).
Breshke shows up, asks Rad to vote for his biggest scum read (who is obviously FecalFeast at this moment) [post]
The discussion continues a little, and Rad makes this post:
On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen?
What happens next, is Breshke (WHO HAS A VOTE ON ZEN HIMSELF AT THIS POINT) posts this, and VOTES for Fecalfeast.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen? I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast
So basically, what he does is ask Rad who his scum read is, and who would he like to push(while in the previous page, Rad has already FoS'ed FF and has pushed him), and then drops his vote on Zen, to vote for Rad's push, because of a reason, that he himself qualifies for. (Rad asked if Breshke is satisfied with FF having his vote parked on Zen).
4) EoD
During EoD, everyone started posting lists after my and Superbia's incentive.
This is breshke's list :
+ Show Spoiler + Town
Loaf
Abuse
Superbia
Leantown
Rad
Null
Elvis
Dusts
Leanscum
Zen
Scum
ff
Breshke still, posts his top scum to be FF, yet votes for Zen. And another interesting thing is Loaf is at the top of the list. why? Has loaf caught any scum? No. Has loaf done any real work in finding scum and has he made any case on anyone so far? No. Why is he at the top of the list? Nobody else here reads loaf as town. Most people read him as either donkey town or donkey scum. Where does this confidence in thinking he is town coming from?
It is comming from either scum protecting the other scum, or from scum not knowing where to put such an unusual player on his list.
The only truly townie thing breshke has done, which is worth noting, is his recent catch on elvis, where elvis says zen is town before his alignment is revealed. This also a red flag that should be investigated.
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On October 10 2014 05:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why not post your thoughts while more town are alive, or while you're alive even? Please post them soon, so everyone can give input?
I dont like this.
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ill explain why i dont like it if we're both still around tomorrow.
I had that post written down for like 10 hours already, but did not post until now. Honestly if it wasnt for your push on activity now i would've posted it 3 mins before deadline when scum would not send in any more KP
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On October 10 2014 05:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
If you really thought that, you should have said something, rather than post your post and then criticize me for wanting activity.
On October 09 2014 06:10 abuse wrote:
Guess it's time to start looking elsewhere.
I am not a big fan of posting during the night, so my more important post will probably appear near the end of N2.
Meanwhile, everyone please reevaluate what has happened so far, and who had what kind of interaction with zen. Who could have acted while knowing zen's alignment, to get town points or to push zen without basis and or in a scummy way.
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also im more criticising you not for wanting activity but for asking myand breshkes thoughts in particular for everyone else to analyze.
People should offer their own cases and analysis, not just comment on ones others made.
anyway this is not important currently.
Is anyone else here? anything you want to add before end of n1?
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