EPTTL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition
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/in Forgot that my sitouts are done! :D | ||
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Everyone should put me into their town circle just so I can FINALLY HUNT SOME FUCKIN SCUM!!!! | ||
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Holyflare claimed Wandering civilian Fecalfeast claimed VT | ||
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Holyflare's Wandering civilian claim is interesting. There is no mafia tracker in this game, so there's no point faking the claim as town role. Which means he's either Wandering civilian, or mafia role. Wouldn't be a bad cop check, hoping that we do have a cop and mafia doesn't have a framer. | ||
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On September 15 2014 16:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Okay. Tell me why I am mafia and I will try to alleviate these concerns. Aside from the stuff that's already been talked about, you went from being totally confident in your case to calling your own case stupid/silly way too easily. It's almost as if you knew it was wrong in the first place. | ||
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##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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His contradiction thing, and he isn't the slightest bit phased by so many votes being on him. Two things I can't see from mafia. | ||
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Fine, but what sets him from being mafia instead of a nullread? | ||
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On September 16 2014 07:12 marvellosity wrote: not answering the same stuff repeatedly That seems like a pretty easy thing to overcome as either town or mafia. I'm still leaning towards town not-giving-a-crap mode rather than a mafia one. | ||
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On September 16 2014 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Storr calls Palmar and kush scum which makes him town until D3. His reasoning not bother you at all? | ||
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On September 16 2014 07:34 marvellosity wrote: yea not interested in storr right now. even if we ignore palmar, dunno why i'd ever lynch storr over batsnacks. or someone like poofter. Yeah, I could go for a batsnacks lynch as well. Idk about poofter though, I'd rather go for Lord Tolkien, who's 2 posts are vastly more scummy than poofter's. | ||
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On September 16 2014 08:14 StorrZerg wrote: care to explain? Its hard to omgus you if you don't give a reason. You seem to be fishing for an answer. why are you so hesitant to present your reasoning? Seems like a light defense on my prime suspect, Yet why does he seem "town" to you? Sure you might call his actions atm not alignment indicative because he hasn't done anything. Yet, he hasn't done anything so why is pressuring him a bad idea... I disagree that Lord Tolkien is "vastly more scummy" he calls me out, which I ignore. part of this has to do when we have played together in RL. (something something him being very easy to lynch day 1 cause of easy read, and lack of defending himself) This was an attempt to generate discussion early on in the day. I don't find that post scummy. regardless, they both have been pretty inactive, yet i find it hard to believe you have such a strong feeling over one of them with out any bases, or willingness to explain. (i eagerly await your response) I'll rescind my read on you since it's not that strong and people don't seem to want to lynch you anyways. I find Lord Tolkien scummy because his entry into the game is joking about lynching himself and that's all he's done so far. I've seen mafia do this so often where they just joke about being mafia, and then tune out the rest of the day. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the case here. | ||
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On September 16 2014 08:14 StorrZerg wrote: care to explain? Its hard to omgus you if you don't give a reason. You seem to be fishing for an answer. why are you so hesitant to present your reasoning? Seems like a light defense on my prime suspect, Yet why does he seem "town" to you? Sure you might call his actions atm not alignment indicative because he hasn't done anything. Yet, he hasn't done anything so why is pressuring him a bad idea... I disagree that Lord Tolkien is "vastly more scummy" he calls me out, which I ignore. part of this has to do when we have played together in RL. (something something him being very easy to lynch day 1 cause of easy read, and lack of defending himself) This was an attempt to generate discussion early on in the day. I don't find that post scummy. regardless, they both have been pretty inactive, yet i find it hard to believe you have such a strong feeling over one of them with out any bases, or willingness to explain. (i eagerly await your response) I also don't like how you called me out for defending poofter when you're trying to pressure, but then you defend Lord Tolkien when I'm trying to pressure | ||
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On September 16 2014 10:13 batsnacks wrote: I didn't really think that much about those two posts, the sarcasm was consistent with a few other of his early posts. But then he posted these two: Claiming mafia sarcastically is still claiming mafia. Also that was two consecutive posts. That's pretty much like claiming mafia two posts in a row. What do you mean by this? | ||
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On September 16 2014 10:30 batsnacks wrote: Those bottom two quotes were one right after the other. In one post he says we should take everything he says seriously, in the next post he claims mafia. That's like claiming mafia twice imo. On September 16 2014 10:27 StorrZerg wrote: Ok fair enough. now that seems to be a dead end till he posts. Now palmer joked that he was mafia, would you read him the same way then? I don't read it as Palmer claiming he's mafia. I read it as Palmer saying he never claimed mafia in a condescending way. | ||
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On September 16 2014 10:42 Fecalfeast wrote: That would have been helpful, I am asking them respectively. I mentioned It earlier, but I'm voting him because half the players aren't active at all, and out of those players, he seems the most scummy to me. | ||
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On September 16 2014 11:06 batsnacks wrote: He literally said "I am mafia." He could have been condescending without saying "I am mafia." So if Palmer worded it in another way, you would feel differently about him? | ||
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On September 16 2014 11:16 batsnacks wrote: You mean like, if he said "Mafia, I am" instead of "I am mafia"? No I'd feel exactly the same even if he changed the words. I think you know what I mean. | ||
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On September 16 2014 11:27 Hopeless1der wrote: CR what do you expect to happen with your vote on tolkein? Seems pretty futile to me. Maybe he'll see that there's pressure on him and he'll start contributing. Who do you think I should vote instead? | ||
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On September 16 2014 11:20 batsnacks wrote: That might be a little too optimistic of you. Are you trying to ask me if Palmer had said something completely different from what I voted him for, would I still be voting him? How am I supposed to answer that? I take my question back. I think I understand why you're voting him now. | ||
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On September 16 2014 11:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont care who you vote for, I just want to feel like theres some value added instead of the "oh i has a vote" *plop* feeling I have right now. I gave a case on Lord Tolkien and I voted him. What more do you want? Why do you care so much about my vote and nobody else's? | ||
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On September 16 2014 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote: Your vote sticks out as strange because of the timing and lack of discussion besides 1 post with storr. Your case is also based on one post and has as much depth to it as tolkein's filter. The lack of discussion and lack of depth of my case can be explained by lack of substance in Lord Tolkein's filter. The lack of substance in Lord Tolkein's filter can be explained by how nobody is voting or pressuring him. I think the solution might be to start voting and pressuring him. | ||
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What else is up? | ||
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On September 17 2014 04:52 Koshi wrote: You are now scumread by Koshi for not giving enough fucks. What do you mean by not giving enough fucks? | ||
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I know exactly what you mean, and dw, there's a legitimate reason for it. | ||
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On September 17 2014 05:36 Palmar wrote: I specifically explained I had no good reason for that other than thinking that the one wagon that takes of in Majority Lynch when we don't have a solid case is unlikely to hit mafia. I haven't even read kush. When there are only two plausible wagons, defending the other wagon using a textbook reason and not reading them is attributed to someone trying to look town/merciful. | ||
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Are we going to reconsider the lynch, or am I just wasting my time? | ||
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He contributes very little and all his posts ask some question or open some line of thought without any followup at all. Compare it to his previous game as town, where he goes total townmode from start to finish: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?user=Superbia We're seeing a very different Superbia this game | ||
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I specifically explained I had no good reason for that other than thinking that the one wagon that takes of in Majority Lynch when we don't have a solid case is unlikely to hit mafia. I haven't even read kush. If Palmer was town, he has to try to justify a lynch on kush or at least find another wagon. What he actually did can only come from mafia. He did a soft defense on the only person who could be lynched instead of him. The only purpose of this kind of play is to give off the impression that he's merciful and thinking about the game, and then gain some credit for being correct that kush was town. | ||
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On September 17 2014 17:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Do you still think palmar is mafia? Do you agree with tolkien about Koshi? I have the exact opposite feeling as tolkein on Koshi. I feel Koshi has given some of the best reads so far. Just because his posts just say stuff like "+1 scumpoint" doesn't mean there isn't a case behind it. A lot of posts that Koshi highlighted are of high interest, and he's showing a lot of attention to detail. | ||
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On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? I doubt that rayn and palmer are mafia together. The way rayn was pushing on palmer, he was really emotional about it. He wouldn't be so emotional to get a teammate lynched instead of a town. We know that it was a genuine emotion rather than a fake play because if it was fake, he would have stopped at the mislynch. Instead, rayn trampled all over modkill territory even after the lynch. Would rayn get this pissed off that town is giving Palmer another day? | ||
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On September 18 2014 04:46 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think about Storrzerg and Glowing Bear? Haven't been able to read into them. I haven't played with them much to know their meta, and I haven't been active when they are active. | ||
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On September 18 2014 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote: You're hardly active when anyone is active, so that's no excuse. What I'm asking is for you to give me your opinion on what they've said. If you have to read filters to gimme then do so, I'm patient. I can wait. I'm posting with the few minutes I have between tasks at work. Won't be able to filter dive right now. Would you mind waiting til later? | ||
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On September 18 2014 04:59 IAmRobik wrote: I must have missed him saying anywhere that he was busy IRL. In fact, even when he was busy IRL in Order where he and I were mafia together, he was still able to be the top poster in the game. He said it here: On September 13 2014 20:06 Holyflare wrote: It's not that I don't want to play I'm just incredibly busy with work next week I remember the Order game as well since I was on the same scumteam. A difference here is that Holyflare did claim a role and hasn't been counterclaimed. I would totally believe that he could hide behind the safety of a roleclaim as mafia, but being busy irl would also explain it. It'll be very useful if someone else who is a wandering civilian to come out. | ||
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On September 18 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote: CR you play exactly like you played mafia the last x times. good to know my towngame is similar  | ||
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On September 18 2014 06:16 Superbia wrote: Real quick. For tomorrow I wouldn't mind lynching Chairman Ray. This feels very scummy to me: Why don't you take initiative instead of this passive shit? Why do you act all frustrated afterwards like you wanted to achieve something? This feels like scum trying to fake town. I was at work. I only have a couple minutes here and there to check the thread. Palmer was a better lynch than kush, but I didn't have time to write out a case. Best I could do was show a little support and maybe town would have reconsidered. Read the case I posted later on about Palmer. | ||
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On September 18 2014 06:35 Superbia wrote: Can someone tell me who "kush" is? kush = rightinthefeels | ||
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On September 18 2014 06:35 Superbia wrote: Can someone tell me who "kush" is? We referred to rightinthefeels with "kush" during the entire lynch phase. Your read on me was based on my behavior during the lynch phase. You read me without any context. That's scummy. | ||
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On September 18 2014 06:44 Palmar wrote: Also CR I'm not mafia, why would you say I'm mafia? That's stupid. Sorry, you're town | ||
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The last game I played where rayn was scum, when town was about to lynch a townie, rayn had disagreements with other people and such, but the entire time he was being smart and as cool as a cucumber. This game he was raging at other people for not agreeing with him. Rayn being mafia would not be so angry that other people were misreading the situation and getting a town lynched. It can only mean that he's either faking it for towncred, or actually frustrated. If it was the former, then rayn would have stopped once kush was mislynched. Instead, after the lynch he continued to mouth off and almost got himself modkilled. He really should have been modkilled there. There's absolutely no strategic value in getting yourself modkilled in this situation. This literally makes zero sense coming from scum. | ||
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I had a read on his day 1 play, but it's excusable since he recently came back from vacation. However his play today has still not picked up yet. In his last game when he was VT, he was very aggressive and attentive. This game he's the exact opposite. He did two things today - give a read on me, and ask geript a few questions. The read on me ended up with oops I didn't read, and there was no follow-up or conclusion to his push on geript at all. This guy is not trying to find scum at all. Should totally lynch. | ||
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But I like this post of Palmer's: | ||
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Towny people are targetted by mafia when they are correct on their reads. They have a lot of influence, so work in the mafia's favor when they are onto innocent townies, but are a threat to mafia when they have reads on actual mafia. Looking at who they were scumreading: Koshi - BloodyC0bbler, Lord Tolkien, Yamato, ShiaoPi, Superbia, Chairman Ray, Palmar, geript VE - batsnacks, Holyflare, Fecalfield, geript, Superbia I bet that at least one from each list is mafia. We should focus a little more attention on these people (except Chairman Ray, who's town) | ||
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##Vote: Superbia | ||
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Don't let me down, day shift! | ||
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On September 19 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote: also ray town reading geript super fucking suspicious based on his one game read compared to numerous people giving him their own meta reads based on loads of games played you guys are probably right then. I don't see how it's suspicious though. I played one game where rayn was mafia, so I'm basing my read off that. If I played more with scum rayn, I would have more to go off of. | ||
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On September 19 2014 04:56 Holyflare wrote: right so you're using your one game meta read to supersede people's million games meta, why was that?? I'm not superseding anyone. When people give a meta read that this game rayn's acting like his scum meta, that doesn't exactly help me because they can be referring to anything. That's why I brought up this one specific example from one specific game. It doesn't fit his scum meta in that one case and that's worth exploring. Robik posted a nice counterexample game, which I'm grateful of and I'll look more into later. | ||
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He raises an interesting point with this: On September 19 2014 10:57 Superbia wrote: Moving on to BloodyC0bbler. ... You were pretty adamant about lynching Palmar d1, yet he completely disappeared off your scum list during d2. What's up with this? | ||
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On September 16 2014 05:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: as town he "tries" or at least puts forth some effort as mafia he gg's out and dota's Note this is all from my own experience with him On September 17 2014 06:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, this is a fucking mafia claim -_- Jesus fuck, this game is insane. So far Palmar has claimed mafia outright IMO 2 fucking times. Hes not being killed. (im still on page 96ish and palmar filtering) None of this has changed, yet BC has completely abandoned Palmer on day 2. There's still the possibility that BC ignored Palmer because he didn't want to repeat his previous reads, but to not push your scumread is weird, I dunno. | ||
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All of Superbia's other reads were quite general and I get the impression that he's only skimming over people. His read on BC was quite specific. So either he's town and he spends most of his time investigating one person, and still decides to post a tidbit on other people, or he's mafia bussing. It's far easier for a mafia to catch a teammate's blunder than a town to. I think the latter is more likely since Superbia seems a little too sure on BC. Anyways, I don't know why I'm blabbing on under the assumption that BC will flip scum, so I'll be quiet now. But yeah, I would also lynch BC tomorrow. | ||
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#yolo | ||
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I've skimmed through the thread. What's the case on hopeless? I might have missed it. | ||
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1. Don't lynch me, I'm town 2. Push a wagon onto ShiaoPi. The case batsnacks posted on him is pretty solid. I can see little reason why ShiaoPi would be so demotivated due to more recent happenings in the game, when he put in very little effort from the very start. Doesn't make sense. Also, instead of going to do something else like a demotivated person should, he stuck around and kept saying that he's demotivated and won't help whenever someone brought it up. That also doesn't make sense. He would be my #1 lynch today 3. I'm okay with the hopeless lynch because he hasn't contributed at all after day 1. Yes, I'm being a hypocrite here. 4. Ideally I would like a flexible wagon between ShiaoPi and Hopeless. If one of them comes on last minute and turns out he's the JK or something, it might be better to lynch the other. Don't make me the backup wagon because I'm town. | ||
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