Season of the Witch Mafia

On September 03 2014 02:04 slOosh wrote:
Does Soup only reveal playername given a successful initial Soup and a failed followup Soup?

On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote:
Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down.

I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions.

On September 04 2014 23:01 HaruRH wrote:


How was the conclusion dumb?
It was so simple: Let one of the towniest person take the grail, make a matyr defend him at all cost, get 2 day's worth of free town 2 votes.

On September 04 2014 23:24 HaruRH wrote:

one of the people who can use the vote wise enough not to afk or impulse lynch someone
but now I take that back

Rayn has geript as his like 4th person on his list and me as his top -- not that it was in any particular order, but why would he vote for geript for grail over me?

On September 04 2014 22:02 gobbledydook wrote:


This is a really bad post. Like baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
It literally is the scummiest list of random people I have ever seen.

On September 04 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robert is town.
geript is town.
Koshi is likely town.
yamato town.
Oats is town (no Robert you are wrong).
Sloosh town.

Sylencia mafia.

ritoky town.

Bitches cannot read scum QT unless Palmar changed the original rules which would be dumb.

I'll retract from my Sloosh read.

Explain the bolded. They gave bad advice and/or didn't read the setup and certainly didn't help finding mafia.
Also explain how setup discussion is townish? If there was a way to break the setup this setup would not exist. You can't gain anything if you discuss the setup before D3.

I am not surprised geript's reads are the opposite of mine....

##DeadlineVote: Sylencia
##Vote for bearer of the Holy Grail: geript

On September 05 2014 13:41 IAmRobik wrote:

WHY DOES THAT MAKE GOOBLE MAFIA BUT NOT GERIPT!?!?!?!

On September 05 2014 23:29 yamato77 wrote:
Give me the grail so I can make the correct lynch when town derps later on. This lineup screams of derp.

On September 05 2014 23:58 IAmRobik wrote:

You say gobble is scum for calling koshi's listpost bad but not mentioning your listpost. Geript questions Koshi's listpost and not yours. Why is it scummy for Gobble to do that but not Geript, when they are doing THE EXACT SAME THING.

On September 06 2014 01:17 yamato77 wrote:
Koshi and rayn are pretty obvious. For two strong town players, they sure are sucking it up in the early game. Rayn called me town for no reason in his list post and has ignored interacting with me. Koshi called me a lurker and has done the same. Sloosh is scum because his play is too reserved and careful. As town he has bolder reads and better interaction with the thread.

On September 06 2014 01:34 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn you make me real sad.

On September 04 2014 21:06 Sylencia wrote:
Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture.

Null:
yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it
damdred - 1 post
rayn - 1 post
lonemeow - not in yet

I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_-

IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble

Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence.

Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble.

On September 06 2014 01:58 IAmRobik wrote:
Man, I can't wait for post game to see how fucking good/terrible my reads are

On September 06 2014 02:00 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, your arguments about content are never good.

On September 08 2014 13:41 IAmRobik wrote:

Say the person that didn't do dick d1. Cool fucking story bro. Let me know when you start playing the game

On September 08 2014 13:54 IAmRobik wrote:

I will be town leader. I will figure out the game. I am town. I now have 2 votes, and I will use them justly and to promote the best agenda for town to end up victorious!

On September 07 2014 06:35 geript wrote:
HolyGrail Votecount:
Geript (1) - raynpelikoneet
Ritoky (4) - ritoky, gobbeldydook, Koshi, geript
Yamato77 (1) - Yamato77
IAmRobik (6) - IAmRobik, LoneMeow, SloOsh, Damdred, HaruRH, Sylencia
Oatsmaster (1) - Oatsmaster

I like LM for town, but I'm not truly sure on the other 4 on Robik. Oats... gtfo. Funny thing is that I think the all the mafia are voting for Robik or Oats.

On September 08 2014 21:42 LoneMeow wrote:
raynpelikoneet

While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative.

I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town:


In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch.

So I'll say leaning town. A little.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2014 23:18 Sylencia wrote:
Hit, he pushed for gobble fairly hard with a big post, but looks like he gave up and sheeped onto the Damdred train.

He had made a post about me being scummy, but when it came time for him to trade he decided between Damdred and I somehow a single post about potential buddying meant Damdred was better lynch choice.

On September 09 2014 01:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Haru might actually be mafia

On September 09 2014 12:44 Damdred wrote:
Rayn what do you think of haru and fee right now?

On September 09 2014 13:05 HaruRH wrote:


This is the approach im am taking to solve the game.
I did not talk about any connections yet, like I said, I will not reveal them until they actually happened. I am just stating what happened and what are the implications.

On September 09 2014 13:16 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that sylencia have been trying to buddy me the whole game :/

Koshi should be more of a miss given how historically, everytime koshi scumreads me, he flips town.

Again, I didn't feel the overwhelming towniness from koshi that I always feel from playing with him as town, so I have my reservations on whether if it was truly a miss. But more of a miss because and I believe him given how our last game turned out.

On September 09 2014 13:24 HaruRH wrote:


When did koshi read you as town after d1?
so you believe koshi is scum?

On September 09 2014 13:27 geript wrote:

I think you missed 5. I forget it because I'm watching video mafia, but there was another weird thing in that post.

On September 07 2014 03:52 yamato77 wrote:

rayn's voting patterns and reads make absolutely no sense

that's not entirely unusual, but he's also too meek for town rayn

basically he's just trying to get an easy mislynch and not really trying to find mafia at all

On September 04 2014 08:19 slOosh wrote:
Could someone link the old witch setup?

On September 04 2014 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats i understand Koshi's way of reading Sloosh although i obviously disagree with his read on hik. I think it makes him town -- not sure town but more likely to be town than mafia.

Sloosh here are the last three tinyhunt game/is:
http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1746&pid=110522#pid110522
http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1777&pid=116865#pid116865
http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1800&pid=122921#pid122921

On September 06 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record this will be the last post about setup speculation and how the setup is played. You will all listen to me now.

The cop claims on D2 if they have guilty. 1-1 trade is very good because the cop gets souped on N1 and we will know the dead players roles. The oracle visits the cop on N2 if this happens. If there is one mafia left on D3, they claim. Then we massclaim. There are roles that cannot be counter-claimed.

The claiming will go like this:
scummiest player first ---->>> townier.
people claim if they are cc-able roles or non-cc-able roles. roles that shoot are non-ccable. + some other roles. I think everyone is smart enough to figure out which roles. There IS gonna be a counter-claim if town has played well enough (the martyr has martyred on N1 -- and we have lynched mafia on D1).

Insta-win gg. We literally win the game 100% if we lynch mafia on D1 and the cop gets a guilty on N1.

If this does not happen do not claim. The oracle role MUST claim when there is 1 mafia left. They MUST!!!!!

On September 06 2014 02:45 slOosh wrote:

[...]

I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out.

[...]

On September 09 2014 15:13 ritoky wrote:


right because stating someone is wrong, and not why is constructive town behavior. thumbs up

This is the typical experience I have had with Rayn in the four games that i've played with him as town. In N&T mafia he did the same thing with Koshi. Either he was goin to die or Koshi was basically, he did ease off koshi once he realized his mistake and got a warning from the mod.

On September 09 2014 15:54 LoneMeow wrote:


Because you were one of the focal points for D1. I thought it would be useful if I commented you since you were the leading wagon.

On September 09 2014 16:09 LoneMeow wrote:


You're right that I should've said it on D1, unfortunately that was not possible. Make whatever you want of that.

My take on slOosh has not changed, he's still my top scum read.

Sylencia is quite scummy, especially for calling slOosh scum but not doing anything about it. All the while pushing geript who doesn't seem likely to get lynched right now.

On September 09 2014 22:43 Damdred wrote:
@Rayn, I read almost every single post of it as much as it pained me that day so i'll just throw a couple of quotes down, before you calmed down.







I could go on and on, but no rayn you did say and act like koshi was mafia for over half of that day. Theres probably a good 10-15 more posts dedicated to koshi being mafia. Sure you could say that you were throwing the game at that point. But you sure were acting like koshi was mafia, and then you calmed down the later half of the day.

On September 10 2014 01:06 Damdred wrote:



I'm saying that theres plenty of quotes in N&T that say, KOSHI IS MAFIA VOTE HIM. If you go and look, you say you didn't think that but were voting him and saying all that to throw the game, I said that you calmed down the second half of the day and just went after onegu first. I never said ou were lying but the first half of that day greatly emphaises the fact that you said koshi was scum

On September 10 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:


Yamato for one, i'd have to reread some of the thread otherwise but hes said it i know

On September 10 2014 01:13 geript wrote:
Nope. We lynch Sylencia.

On September 10 2014 01:19 geript wrote:
No Rayn. Explain to me how in the fuck he's Acolyte and didn't look at who the Inquisitor is. Explain to me how if he thinks he's Acolyte why role claiming is ever a good idea. Seriously. Why would he ever consider claiming earlier if he's acolyte?

On September 10 2014 02:51 slOosh wrote:
Still reasonably suspicious of rayn.

His two strong scum reads in gobble and Sylencia have ended up in them claiming. Like look at how he treats them before the claim. He points out how this and that and everything is super suspicious and makes them scum. But then they aren't scum. His read on me is wrong, so rayn has been 0 for 3 this game.

On September 10 2014 13:42 slOosh wrote:
For anyone who has played games with rayn, could you please refer me to his worst town game (worst in the sense that his reads were all wrong)? This is paramount.

Not once does it look like anywhere in your filter you considering that you've been very very wrong on your two strongest reads. Like you aren't surprised that they are town.

On September 10 2014 02:51 slOosh wrote:
Still reasonably suspicious of rayn.

His two strong scum reads in gobble and Sylencia have ended up in them claiming. Like look at how he treats them before the claim. He points out how this and that and everything is super suspicious and makes them scum. But then they aren't scum. His read on me is wrong, so rayn has been 0 for 3 this game.

On September 10 2014 15:15 slOosh wrote:
Oh and so you have something to consider while waiting, for the Oats question, it's balanced by "what has LoneMeow done this game"? While reading context I came across this post

I'm still his top scum read, meaning he has read me scum for quite some time, but he himself has done little to get me lynched. Then he accuses Sylencia for failing to do anything. Hypocrisy.

Essentially I find LoneMeow more problematic than Oats.

On September 04 2014 23:15 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, at the moment I have to disagree with anyone calling gobbledydook scum, I've read his recent games and the vibe I get from how he's been posting here is towny.

On September 10 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:
Added is your point of "it's all moot Syl claimed we don't have a cc we shouldn't lynch him". I still don't get the math 2-1 but it could just be because I'm super tired and having trouble typing / thinkign now.

On September 10 2014 15:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like:

Now i am pretty convinced you are town Sloosh.
Sylencia is town
ritoky is town
i am pretty sure yamato is town
i'll yolo and say Damdred is town just because of his reaction to me when i called him scum.

that leaves me geript, Oats, Haru, LM.
At least 2 mafia there (because i am pretty sure robert was town).
I am PRETTY sure we just win the game if we just lynch everyone in that pool.

geript calls Haru and Sylencia (rofl) mafia.
Oats calls Haru and LM (and you) mafia.
LM calls Damdred and you mafia.
I have no idea who Haru thinks is mafia.

I guess we need to read Haru next.

On September 10 2014 16:14 geript wrote:

Let's pretend I am. Is it good for me to claim? No.
Let's pretend I'm not. It's not terribly unlikely for Koshi to be Acolyte. Most everyone else at this point would've claimed. So it's 50/50.

Strategically because of the change to how soup works, it is better to lynch him than not. Plus his claim makes 0 sense. Like I don't get why you aren't all over this like I am over a bowl of blue bell ice cream.

On September 10 2014 16:20 geript wrote:
No good reason. It's play it's feel. The games I've played or read where Koshi was mafia he always felt a little off. Do you really think he townreads me as mafia and votes to get me the grail? I'm like a super easy person to get a mislynch on. He's a good player and can easily get the grail himself. He looked like he was actually happy having fun and being productive. I don't generally see those things from Koshi when he's mafia.

On September 10 2014 16:21 geript wrote:

What other role do you claim as mafia then?

On September 10 2014 16:31 geript wrote:

There's not. You should never claim acolyte in this setup unless you are counterclaiming a cop.

On September 10 2014 16:53 geript wrote:
Also for the record, this specific setup is far more mafia favored than the VS setup. Sounds odd but the variety of little changes really matter.

On September 10 2014 17:21 geript wrote:

As I remember it on VS, you could guess any number but any wrong guesses meant nothing went through. Here they process one at a time. So claims -> freebie plus a second guess (or wifom machine).

On September 10 2014 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

geript which part of this post you do not agree with (excluding my read on you)?

On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote:
Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting.

On September 09 2014 12:28 HaruRH wrote:
robik is town because i know for sure scumrobik will not go for the grail. He will just give excuses and lurk like mad.

On September 10 2014 18:30 geript wrote:
So Syl, have YOU been through Koshi's filter to know if there's any single hint as to him being Acolyte? Who says the key info is even in his filter?

On September 10 2014 18:34 geript wrote:

7-3 with a mislynch and soup 3. Quite easy. Even a soup for 2 is gg.

On September 10 2014 18:40 Sylencia wrote:


you can soup as many as you want

On September 10 2014 21:33 HaruRH wrote:

What's the difference?

On September 10 2014 23:37 HaruRH wrote:
Let me ask you some questions instead:
Do you think both the mafia were voting for you?

Do you think sylencia the mafia will vote on geript the town/mafia for 2 days straight?

Do you think oats the mafia will 'throw away' his votes and complain about people throwing away votes?

On September 11 2014 05:27 geript wrote:

Bullshit on both regards Rayn.

On September 11 2014 05:39 slOosh wrote:
Like, basically ritoky is a town example of what geript is doing so I could see a town geript doing what he is doing (doubting Syl claim and trying to get a backup lynch going since Syl lynch most likely just won't happen today)

On September 11 2014 05:56 geript wrote:


I think both of these were day 1. Either way, no way you were being lynched D1.

On September 12 2014 11:04 Damdred wrote:
Yyamato get and rit for end game cred

On September 12 2014 15:17 HaruRH wrote:
Geript (2) - Sylencia, HaruRH
Sylencia (2) - ritoky, raynpelikoneet
Damdred (3) - gobbeldydook, Koshi, geript
Koshi (1) - Oatsmaster
Raynpelikoneet (5) - Yamato77, Damdred, IAmRobik, SloOsh,gobbledydook

Now that i was forced to claim, i can finally reveal the results of my exorcist. I couldn't kill. It meant that either oats or koshi was scum (i bolded them).

Next, i am 10000000% sure ritoky is mafia. I am willing to bet anything in this earth. And because he also tried to call out damdred, i am willing to townread him for a bit.

There. Game solved. Lynch ritoky today and geript tomorrow and we win. I was right about ritoky.

On September 12 2014 22:51 yamato77 wrote:
rayn you are playing horrible

On September 12 2014 09:01 ritoky wrote:
i am the inquisitor, on night 1 i investigated geript and he is green, on night 2 i investigated HaruRH and he is RED.

On September 12 2014 12:18 ritoky wrote:


because you have the demon witch and you saw that i investigated you and had no option but to fake claim????

On September 12 2014 12:19 ritoky wrote:
like it's blatantly clear to me that you saw i investigated you through the demon power, and formulated a fake claim. if it was a real red check you would have just come out with it instead of your teasing/half-assed claim. this claim is a joke.

lynch dam and haru, and it's probably gg. hopefully there's not 3.

On September 12 2014 23:39 HaruRH wrote:
This is not how it works rayn.



I can't shoot unless 2 towns are lynched consecutively. This means unless we lynch a town today, i have a chance to shoot (i was not able to shoot because either oats or koshi OR aots and koshi are mafia) provided oats was town (so oats lynch into a town lynch allows me to shoot). Also, no lynch =/= town lynched.

Also, we ARE in lylo. It is 6 town:2 mafia. Given that they got a role of someone on d1 from gobble's save and my claim, they have 2 soup and 1 kill at night. A mislynch here will lead to 2 town:2 mafia.

On September 13 2014 01:26 HaruRH wrote:


Read his flip again. He was lynched. LYNCHED.

On September 13 2014 01:33 HaruRH wrote:


D4 will still be lylo so you must make up your mind on who is the real scum. I am going with geript because at end of d2, he said some scummy stuff. Brb quoting them

On September 13 2014 01:53 HaruRH wrote:


Who are the 2 players then?
I can see how they were worried that syl may not be an acolyte after all and decided to kill him. Also, given how ritoky have been pushing me, dam and syl on d1, they probably tried to kill others and got a role off someone.

On September 13 2014 02:01 HaruRH wrote:
For eg rayn, as scum, would you either:

Go into a 2-1 lylo with 1 town looking scummy

Or

Go into 4-1 lylo (1 soup) with 2 scummy looking town?

On September 13 2014 02:54 geript wrote:
Also Rayn. Why didn't you cc HaruRH?

On September 13 2014 03:45 geript wrote:

Sorry HaruRH but you're wrong a CC for reaction is good play there. It's best to come from Rayn due to the green check. Plus I have smaller balls and a bigger brain than Mocsta.