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On August 31 2014 05:40 The_Templar wrote: I'm secretly a town bonjwa but I always get mafia so I never get to use it. I would figure you three out. But who would listen? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kd5Opc8.png) 11. T'ai / Peace
The Receptive, which moves downward, stands above; the Creative, which moves upward, is below. Hence their influences meet and are in harmony, so that all living things bloom and prosper. This hexagram belongs to the first month (February-March), at which time the forces of nature prepare the new spring. THE JUDGMENT
This hexagram denotes a time in nature when heaven seems to be on earth. Heaven has placed itself beneath the earth, and so their powers unite in deep harmony. Then peace and blessing descend upon all living things. In the world of man it is a time of social harmony; those in high places show favor to the lowly, and the lowly and inferior is an end to all feuds. In side, at the center, in the key position, is the light principle; the dark principle is outside. Thus the light has a powerful influence, while the dark is submissive. In this way each receives its due. When the good elements of society occupy a central position and are in control, the evil elements come under their influence and change for the better. When the spirit of heaven rules in man, his animal nature also comes under its influence and takes its appropriate place. The individual lines enter the hexagram from below and leave it again at the top. Here the small, weak, and evil elements are about to take their departure, while the great, strong, and good elements are moving up. This brings good fortune and success. THE IMAGE
Heaven and earth are in contact and combine their influences, producing a time of universal flowering and prosperity. This stream of energy must be regulated by the ruler of men. It is done by a process of division. Thus men divide the uniform flow of time into the seasons, according to the succession of natural phenomena, and mark off infinite space by the points of the compass. In this way nature in its overwhelming profusion of phenomena is bounded and controlled. One the other hand, nature must be furthered in her productiveness. This is done by adjusting the products to the right time and the right place, which increases the natural yield. This controlling and furthering activity of man in his relation to nature is the work on nature that rewards him. THE LINES
In times of prosperity every able man called to fill an office draws like minded people along with him, just as in pulling up ribbon grass one always pulls up a bunch of it, because the stalks are connected by their roots. In such times, when it is possible to extend influence widely, the mind of an able man is set upon going out into life and accomplishing something.
In times of prosperity it is important and above all to possess enough greatness of soul to bear with imperfect people. For in the hands of a great master no material is unproductive; he can find use for everything. But this generosity is by no means laxity or weakness. It is during times of prosperity especially that we must always be ready to risk even dangerous undertakings, such as the crossing of a river, if they are necessary. So too we must not neglect what is distant but must attend scrupulously to everything. Factionalism and the dominance of cliques are especially to be avoided. Even if people of like mind come forward together, they ought not to form a faction by holding together for mutual advantage; instead, each man should do is duty. Theses are four ways in which one can overcome the hidden danger of a gradual slackening that always lurks in any time of peace. And that is how one finds the middle way for action.
The sovereign I is T'ang the Completer. By his decree the imperial princesses, although higher in rank than their husbands, had to obey them like all other wives. Here too we are shown a truly modest union of high and low that brings happiness and blessings. | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:39 Tehpoofter wrote: I think thats a stretch I don't think I'd give him townie points for any of these posts as even as a noob you could say them from either alignment. I think its is townie of you to point it out like it seems as if you're looking for scum. Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way? | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:48 Tehpoofter wrote: I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought. What about you? I agree that his tone sounds apologetic but I do not think in his case that this is alignment indicative. Reading his filter, I noticed he has been posting like this since before the game even began. Here are some posts before the game started: On August 30 2014 00:51 3d12 wrote: /in I've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format. On August 30 2014 05:50 3d12 wrote: Sorry for the double-post, but I just wanted to double-check. (And bear with me, this is only the first of what will likely be a deluge of dumb newbie questions) Is the deadline of 12:30pm PDT the deadline for confirmation, or the deadline to post each day? Then this is his first post as of the game starting: On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote: Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help? An apologetic tone would usually raise alarm bells for me. Townies are inherently innocent and shouldn't be afraid of saying the wrong thing or accidentally saying too much; they have no reason to apologize. If townies are afraid of speaking their mind that might be an indicator of a poor thread environment. However, since 3d12 has been posting like this since before the game began I believe he's just nervous about playing in general. People have been going after him since his first post so there hasn't even been an opportunity for him to calm down yet. Overall I do not think 3d12's apologies are scummy. | ||
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##unvote @tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan? On September 02 2014 12:18 Tehpoofter wrote: I didn't even see this post tbh..... thats really weird. ##unvote ##Vote: Micchan Hai fix the mess please. | ||
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On September 03 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote: I realized that afterwards lol Oh its a voting thread well dammit. Will update. I think that his actions are scummy easy to find or not if he plays like that its scummy. Are you telling me you think that what he has done is townie? IF not you should vote for him. None of micchans posts have made me think anything about his alignment. I do think he is probably the easiest target right now though, right ahead of 3d12 who you also scum read. | ||
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On September 03 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote: Do you agree that the points I made are what scum does? If not what about them seems town? Also what makes you so sure that Micchan and 3d12 are both town? Who do you think is mafia? I agree that the points you raised are what scum does sometimes, I'm still null on both of them though. I never said either of them were townie in any way; I am not leaning town on either of them. I just don't think they're any scummier than than X person or Y person right now. I do wish micchan would post more. I don't know who is mafia yet. You going after the two easiest targets makes me want to scum read you but I'm apprehensive because of certain things. You double voted micchan, that's not a mistake I associate with mafia. You're receptive to questions. You're not just running around calling people scum for no reason, even if I don't feel as strongly as you do about your reasons. If you were curious, you are at least 1 town point higher micchan for responding to me. On September 03 2014 07:48 Vivax wrote: 1) So bats, do you think in terms of who is easy to lynch or in terms of who is town or not. 2) You imply somebody, in this case poofter, is scummy for going after easy targets which is nonsense. 3) You have a bunch of people playing the game, some play the game with more effort than others. When those playing with effort scumread those who play with less effort then yes, the target is easy but the motivation behind it is largely understandable. The hardest part of playing scum is putting effort you don't actually have to put into the game cause there's nothing for you to solve. 4) So explain to me what the hell you're trying to achieve with this stuff on tp. 1) Both and I think the two are related. 2) Your words not mine. In my personal experience, mafia prefers easy over difficult. 3) I agree with what you said here. 4) tp happened to be online at the same time as me, so we're talking. I had questions, he's had answers. I think we've made progress. My objective in talking with tp is to play the game and try to figure things out. | ||
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On September 03 2014 08:22 kushm4sta wrote: but who would you fuck he said he would bang vivax | ||
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On September 03 2014 08:24 Tehpoofter wrote: I just went to the front page to find a voting thread for this game and don't see it or at least the link isn't working.... am I slow in the head or is there no voting thread? This implies that voting in this thread is counting On September 02 2014 22:20 HaruRH wrote: Vote Count – Day 1 27ninjabunnies (0): Tehpoofter (0): The_Templar (1): batsnacks batsnacks (2): kushm4sta, Obiwanshinobi Micchan (1): Tehpoofter Obiwanshinobi (1): Oatsmaster Not voting (-): Everyone else Currently, batsnacks is set to be lynched with 2 votes. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in (19:30 GMT (+00:00)). | ||
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On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote: True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission. Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. Or we might be able to trigger a success on a vote related mission. | ||
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On September 03 2014 22:25 Vivax wrote: Oh and Oats I don't think Obi is scum from what I've seen so far. Too chill in my opipnion. As for 27nb: Don't see much need to expand atm cause I'm content with where this is heading, which is probably the lynch of that guy who doesn't seem to care about the game. I'm still awaiting for a more thorough explanation from bats about his first post. Was it some sort of trap play batsy? I just wanted to see what people would do if I posted an I Ching reading. I was also curious what the reading would be. The I Ching is useful in gaining insights. On September 03 2014 23:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is everybody ignoring batsnacks? What do you think people should be saying to me? If you have something to say you should come out and say it yourself. Don't hide behind others. If anyone wanted clarification on my kitaman27 vote, kitaman has said twice now that he wants to cut the day short. On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote: True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission. Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea. Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts. batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. He's given a lot of effort to this cutting the day short idea. I think he feels strongly about it. I don't think cutting the day short or even talking about cutting the day short is pro-town. Like I said before, voting with the majority sounds like a very plausible mafia mission. So kitaman27 is mafia, his mission is that he needs to vote with the majority, and he put his vote on micchan because he believes micchan will be lynched. Look at these posts, he has been going after easy majorities since the very beginning: On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. He said this when I was the vote leader. On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote: Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now. Now he's going after micchan because micchan is the new majority leader. That sentence at the end is weird too. If kitaman27 is town, why would he worry about looking bad if he voted micchan and micchan flipped green? This is not something a townie worries about. The only reason he should be worried is if he feels he has voted micchan for bad reasons, and that people may come to suspect his bad reasons later. | ||
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