EPTI've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format.
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3d12
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I've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format. | ||
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Is the deadline of 12:30pm PDT the deadline for confirmation, or the deadline to post each day? | ||
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On August 31 2014 14:36 kushm4sta wrote: 3d12 wat wat wat? Hi. I'm new. | ||
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Totally! BFFs forever, or something like that.  | ||
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27ninjabunnies gobbledydook 3.5 hours left now.  | ||
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From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most: [quote="The_Templar"] And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway[/quote] He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. | ||
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On September 02 2014 08:08 The_Templar wrote: And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway. I didn't quote the post directly. Sorry. | ||
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On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. | ||
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On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote: So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote: How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment. Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? | ||
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On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. | ||
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If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. | ||
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On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn... Don't be sorry, that's all part of the game. However, reasoning is also part of this game. Care to share yours, or are you just blindly drumming up a wagon? | ||
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Notes from last night: 1. The next person to suggest we ignore missions is getting full-on scumread. This topic keeps coming up, very sporadically, and it feels like a few people are trying to echo the idea across the crowd, so it's more acceptable later. Ignoring the mission concept is completely unacceptable and will only serve to hinder us. Stay vigilant for possible mission-like behaviors, everyone. I get the feeling that they would be rather out-of-the-ordinary missions, otherwise the host could have just as well run vanilla. (Sorry for the meta read there, but if anyone wants to refute that, I'm open to hear your case.) 2. Micchan is giving off a serious mafia vibe to me. Not only did his bandwagoning post seem forced ("Ok here whatever" as if he's trying to seem aloof) but the fact that his only other post yesterday was a defensive misdirection, posted only 20 minutes after he was called out. He's either really bad at this game, scum, too busy IRL to play, or any/all of the above. 3. Poofter's reads (specifically the BMK list) seem solid for the most part, but the way he posted and went after Micchan tells me something isn't right. Specifically, the way he's applying pressure to vote. The reads say town, but the pressure says mafia. Nobody on my town list so far has been pushing for a D1 lynch. 4. My posts usually do come across as apologetic. Not just here either. Blame my mother for giving birth within spitting distance of Canada. Anyone reading into that makes it on my scum list, since it looks like they're conjuring fault out of nothing. With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses: On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself. I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads. Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that. On September 03 2014 22:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: @3d12- you said my read on tehpoofter was silly and based on troll posts, but I think I gave a bit more reasoning than that. why is the read silly to you? What do you think of poofter so far? Also http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=17#338<--------- Town tehpoof The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree? As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below. On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote: Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people. Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning? On September 03 2014 00:05 mderg wrote: I don't like the batsnacks votes. They seem kinda lazy. Sure, his post didn't make any sense but that's it. This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town? List of reads: Mafia ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.) mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive) kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise) Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning) Mafia-likely (Pink) TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives) Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly) Neutral (White) The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role) Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.) Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly) 27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming) Town batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.) kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words) All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that. ##Vote: Micchan | ||
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On September 04 2014 03:52 The_Templar wrote: I don't think 3d is lazy. HEY 3d, you have to vote, it's specified in the OP. Lol, I know. I was posting. Sorry, trying to post at work while looking like I'm doing work. It's not a fast process. | ||
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On September 04 2014 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 3d called a bunch of people scum for wanting to plynch, and then hops on a plynch bandwagon. lool On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that. ##Vote: Micchan You seemed to jump on this bandwagon easily, and now you're on the batwagon? What's your motivation, then? I posted mine. | ||
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On September 04 2014 04:26 The_Templar wrote: read his filter, primarily due because of batsnacks' stupid first post Exactly, he's still bandwagoning on bat for a 0% reason except "this might be a mission." I'll grant that's a valid reason, but I just can't see bat being mafia at this stage. His contributions are far too helpful. | ||
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Which one, this one or Storm? Because it seems like you're pulling your reads on bat from the latter. Please do point out where you've built a constructive case surrounding this thread, though. | ||
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