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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 05:18 GMT
#1193
On September 06 2014 14:17 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm asking your opinion on the topic I feel most important.

Why is everything a struggle this game? Can't we just be civil and answer questions, rather than responding with statements like that?


It's a struggle cause town wants to lynch scum and scum doesn't want to get lynched.
Just business, nothing personal.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 05:54 GMT
#1196
Alright, let's see.

batsnacks - tentatively town
Oatsmaster - town
Tehpoofter - town
Vivax - town
ObiWanShinobi - town
mderg - wanna say town but this guy doesn't play the game
Micchan - ded
The_Templar - ded
3d12 - tentatively town

kitaman27 - tentatively scum
Damdred - scum
kushm4sta - scum
27ninjabunnies - tentatively scum

I have no idea how many scum there are in this game, but with the missions considered it could be easily more than 3 since they are at risk of getting "modkilled" every day, and the mission aspect makes the game harder for them. So I'll opt for 4.

7 town
4 scum

If we ml we're at 5 town 4 scum, that'll be the last chance to kill one of them.

Right now the consensus doesn't seem very huge and that's why we need to get our shit together and decide between these guys I mentioned above.

If you're one of the guys I listed among the townies please tell me who you would agree on among the scummers and who you disagree on.

If you're among the scummers, well, do whatever you have to do.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 06:05 GMT
#1197
Also worthy of consideration is that batsnacks is mafia's mission bitch.Let's say they get a mission and one of them has to carry it out.

D1, bats got the mission of posting that entrance post. Since he couldn't think of a reason or didn't give enough fucks about finding one, he just yoloed and posted it right away.

D2, they had to vote for every different person in a cycle, same pattern. Yolosnacks.

His team would obviously be aware of that and be bussing the fuck out of him all the time, painfully aware that he's super scummy, town doesn't have that awareness, which would explain why so many scummy people try to divert attention to him.

But then, one of the guys among the possible scummers would be town instead of snacks, will need a bit to figure out which one.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 06:15 GMT
#1199
Kush is scum without question.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 06:29 GMT
#1200
Would lynch in this order atm, I'm flexible on this cause it only represents how sure I am about each read. The first three all have a very good shot at flipping scum. However I'm mostly unsure between kita and nb, one of them is town.

Kush/Damdred/Bats>27nb>Kita

So yeah,I would appreciate if we could get a consensus on one of the first three.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:02 GMT
#1204
What does that mean for you?
We need a lynch, think about that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:13 GMT
#1206

##Unvote
##Vote: kushm4sta


Time to get a majority rollin
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:19 GMT
#1208
We have 5 hours, son. That's not much.
And I need people to sheep me unless you want last minute shenannies.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:20 GMT
#1209
Trust me on kush I just went and reread showdown and world cup and it's nothing like this kush.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:23 GMT
#1211
Do I really have to make a fancy speech to get your ass going again?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:30 GMT
#1214
On September 06 2014 23:27 Damdred wrote:
I do not think i'm going to vote for Kush, before his recent postings I was concerned but i'm getting a town vibe from him.

I'm torn who to vote for, because you still seem scummy to me viv and 3d does as well.


Looks like you forgot that you "scumread" kita recently.
Better add him before more notice.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:42 GMT
#1216
But if you think I'm scum then I have no reason to act like you're suggesting, and you have no reason to call me bad cause you would think that what I'm doing is out of pure acting/destructiveness according to my win condition.

I think you're scum so I post offensively since I don't believe in the validity of your explanations anyway and see no reason to try to talk sense into you.

And what rest of the thread should I interact with? You and Obi are the first to show up since the last posting gap.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:50 GMT
#1218
What's the point of this conversation? I can't think of anything I could answer with that isn't defending my actions and taking away the steam from your claims, which isn't necessary cause I'm not getting lynched whatever you do. I'm not going to further waste my words if your conversation is going to revolve around me.

If you really want to get me lynched talk to the thread and not to me.

I mean the only things you have talked about not necessarily interacted with the people who are in the thread.


Bullshit
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 14:58 GMT
#1220
On September 04 2014 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote:
Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes:

Notes from last night:
1. The next person to suggest we ignore missions is getting full-on scumread. This topic keeps coming up, very sporadically, and it feels like a few people are trying to echo the idea across the crowd, so it's more acceptable later. Ignoring the mission concept is completely unacceptable and will only serve to hinder us. Stay vigilant for possible mission-like behaviors, everyone. I get the feeling that they would be rather out-of-the-ordinary missions, otherwise the host could have just as well run vanilla. (Sorry for the meta read there, but if anyone wants to refute that, I'm open to hear your case.)

2. Micchan is giving off a serious mafia vibe to me. Not only did his bandwagoning post seem forced ("Ok here whatever" as if he's trying to seem aloof) but the fact that his only other post yesterday was a defensive misdirection, posted only 20 minutes after he was called out. He's either really bad at this game, scum, too busy IRL to play, or any/all of the above.

3. Poofter's reads (specifically the BMK list) seem solid for the most part, but the way he posted and went after Micchan tells me something isn't right. Specifically, the way he's applying pressure to vote. The reads say town, but the pressure says mafia. Nobody on my town list so far has been pushing for a D1 lynch.

4. My posts usually do come across as apologetic. Not just here either. Blame my mother for giving birth within spitting distance of Canada. Anyone reading into that makes it on my scum list, since it looks like they're conjuring fault out of nothing.


With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses:

On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:

On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.


On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.


On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.

##vote 27nb


So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.


EBWOP


If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.

On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?


Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.


Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?


What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.

If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...


Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself.

I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads.

Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that.

On September 03 2014 22:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@3d12- you said my read on tehpoofter was silly and based on troll posts, but I think I gave a bit more reasoning than that. why is the read silly to you? What do you think of poofter so far?

Also http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=17#338<--------- Town tehpoof


The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree?

As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below.

On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people.


Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning?

On September 03 2014 00:05 mderg wrote:
I don't like the batsnacks votes. They seem kinda lazy. Sure, his post didn't make any sense but that's it.


This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town?


List of reads:

Mafia
ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.)
mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive)
kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise)
Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning)

Mafia-likely (Pink)
TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives)
Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly)

Neutral (White)
The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role)
Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.)
Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly)
27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming)

Town
batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.)
kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words)

All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.

##Vote: Micchan


What? This just looks funny to me.


Let me show you another example of incongruence.

After Damdred's post where he gives the convoluted explanation for his vote on Micchan, he sees this. He calls it out. Then he fucks off.

He never got an explanation from 3d for this. He didn't doubt his micchan vote for this. He only added him to the possible scummers post-lynch, but otherwise didn't seem interested into getting more out of it, which on my reread of 3d actually seems like an interesting line.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 15:08 GMT
#1223
Let me resume what you said about your micchan vote:

Vote post:"I vote him for his posts not for his lurking"
Me: "Why so confident"
Explanation from you: "I got confidence cause he stopped fighting back"

This is enough to know you're scum.

As for 3d, I see you rehashing that D1 post but I don't see you trying to get more out of him since then. I only see you repeating the reasons for having him as scum read.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 15:16 GMT
#1225
Lurking=/=stopped fighting back.


Except that you decided it was both the same the moment you voted for him.
Cause you 1. Didn't mention that as a reason, 2. Still talked about him lurking in the very same post you got your "confidence".

Damdead
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 15:33 GMT
#1229
On September 04 2014 02:42 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now.


Out of everything posted this is generally the most scummy looking thing that I see. However I do not read this as scummy at all. To me it shows reasonable doubt about his vote and where it is going. Hes struggling with the idea of lynching someone who is making excuses and not playing. I think its a really towny thing to struggle with, is it to scummy to be scum.


Another terrible post.

It's scummy looking but Damdred doesn't read it as scummy at all.

What's even the point of bringing it up? Like, you see something scummy, it catches your attention, then you post reasons for it being towny.

There's no town motivation behind posting something like this. You call out what you find scummy, you don't see something scummy, then look for reasons for why it's townie.

Answer us why you found it scummy in the first place if you deliver a town explanation??? You willingly chose to interpret something in a townie way you claimed to have found scummy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 15:36 GMT
#1232
On September 07 2014 00:34 3d12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 00:26 Damdred wrote:
##Vote: 3d12

I think your scummy vivax, but 3d ignoring a ton of posts from poof and other people calling him scummy. Hes been doing it all game, with nb, with poof and with me. He has not interacted with the claims that hes scum hes just let people fight for his towniness without actually fighting himself.


Well, good morning to you too!

I haven't been ignoring the posts. I actually think poofter is pretty scummy too, but I don't have my notes with me to type up my case. I could maybe reconstruct the case from his posts, but I would need coffee first.

As for right now, I'm still catching up. Might take a break to get coffee, ease the process along. If you have any opinions/answers you want, post. I'll respond to whatever relevant ones I find, but idk if you're looking for a particular repsonse over others.


What a truckload of fluff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 15:38 GMT
#1233
On September 07 2014 00:35 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 00:33 Vivax wrote:
On September 04 2014 02:42 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now.


Out of everything posted this is generally the most scummy looking thing that I see. However I do not read this as scummy at all. To me it shows reasonable doubt about his vote and where it is going. Hes struggling with the idea of lynching someone who is making excuses and not playing. I think its a really towny thing to struggle with, is it to scummy to be scum.


Another terrible post.

It's scummy looking but Damdred doesn't read it as scummy at all.

What's even the point of bringing it up? Like, you see something scummy, it catches your attention, then you post reasons for it being towny.

There's no town motivation behind posting something like this. You call out what you find scummy, you don't see something scummy, then look for reasons for why it's townie.

Answer us why you found it scummy in the first place if you deliver a town explanation??? You willingly chose to interpret something in a townie way you claimed to have found scummy.


Why don't you actually put the post in context to what was going on in the thread instead of just grabbing one out and yelling about it?


Yeah, the context was that batsnacks called it out and you felt compelled to first agree with him then post why you actually think the opposite.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
September 06 2014 15:43 GMT
#1236
For some reason you felt that batsnacks had a point but for some reason you decided you had to read kita as town and found a reason that explained it from a town PoV.

What was the point of defending kita against it if you felt that what he posted was scummy?

You can't call one behaviour both scummy and town in the same post unless you're making up shit.
A townie answer would have been to plain and simply disagree with bats, a scummy answer is to first agree with him to kiss his ass and not look like you're disagreeing but then actually posting reasons for why you don't agree.
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