EPTOn September 03 2014 20:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why arent you in favor of killing a dude over Micchian Temp?
Why arent you in favor of killing a dude over Micchian Temp?
I am still thinking. I'll have something, more than 6 hours before the deadline
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
I am still thinking. I'll have something, more than 6 hours before the deadline | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
Vote Count – Day 1 27ninjabunnies (0): Tehpoofter (0): The_Templar (1): batsnacks (2): kushm4sta, Obiwanshinobi Micchan (2): Obiwanshinobi (0): Not voting (-): Everyone else Currently, batsnacks is set to be lynched with 2 votes. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in (19:30 GMT (+00:00)). Note: Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
##Vote Micchan | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 03 2014 20:51 The_Templar wrote: I am still thinking. I'll have something, more than 6 hours before the deadline thats basically nothing. think in thread. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
##vote: kitaman27 | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What is your best scumread, not guess read? | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Repeatedly hangs onto one of Kita's posts, where he said that my long catchup posts might be red if I continue them. On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote: Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some mored. On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: 3d12 for his awkward entrance so far. I would like to discuss Templars post more though. Let's say you need to appear like contributing, that post is one thing I would see scum starting with. They go through the thread commenting on various issues (instead of just thinking them through and getting straight to the point of what they find scummy without having to list a load of posts), when they're done, they look at what they commented on and base their entire read narrative off it. That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. On September 02 2014 11:30 Vivax wrote: You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down. On September 03 2014 08:57 Vivax wrote: You done goofed kita Read templar again On September 03 2014 08:59 Vivax wrote: This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way. On September 03 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote: What about it? He mentioned what he found worthy of mention and that in a blunt, not convoluted way, so overall I don't see anything scummy about mderg. He also made an observation about templar's longish post which was legit, cause imo that's how scum would post. Like, they don't know what to talk about, so templar goes for post by post analysis with a short commentary to each and then quickly bases all his reads off of what he analysed. It just seems so...stretched. You usually see something and think "oh that doesn't look good for bsbsbs" and then mention it to the thread. I don't know templar well but that method of scumhunting doesn't seem genuine to me cause it reads like he had trouble thinking of something to talk about so he would just talk about...a lot of different things and then make his scumhunting alibi out of it. The bolded part isn't correct because my general meta is to make one of these posts at the beginning of every game. It's really obvious that he wants Kita to read me as red, and he has been reading me as red at the same time. When kita doesn't read me as red, Vivax concludes that we are red buddies. On September 02 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote: Anyway Templar and kita current suspects and templar not reading kita closely reinforces my notion. 3d12 gets newbie bonus for awkward entrance. On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote: Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum. In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value. On September 02 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote: Ok I didn't know what Poofter meant until I googled it. We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies. (look at the time stamps between this last one and the two before it. He said he suspected us literally 17 minutes before he "changed the subject" back to this 'feeling' that we are red) On September 02 2014 12:18 Vivax wrote: I generally have the feeling that you two have a hard time giving opinions about each other in the thread. On September 02 2014 12:20 Vivax wrote: It's a bunch of K:"there's this but let's wait and see" TT: "K discussing this but white" TT." tis actually scummy" TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy" et cetera On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote: 3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone. I also don't think he's scum. Scum is among this bunch imo: - Templar - Kush - Kita - 27nb - micchan Basically he keeps trying to make subtle jabs at both of us for not knowing how to read each other (I pretty obviously misread that post, and I did have a pink lead on kita at the time) and concludes that this means we must be red buddies, even though he said there's no valid reasoning for this already, and even though I was trying to find reasons to read Kita as red (which vivax pointed out) instead of backing off and ignoring him at the time. By the way, I gave a white on him at the beginning of the game, not after 12+ hours had gone by, after he had made one questionable post and not justified it. On September 02 2014 12:27 Vivax wrote: I have no issues with Damdred at this point poofter. Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure. If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky. There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however. This post doesn't really say anything. It's also roughly your second content post that isn't related to me/kita, and it's on the second page of your filter. On September 02 2014 12:22 Vivax wrote: And I don't see how the post is odd just cause it already has discussed. It's my job to direct the attention to things I find worthy of attention even after the focus has slipped to another location. lol, so apparently, you are solely in charge of making sure that we discuss exactly what you want us to discuss. Everything else is 'slipping to another [unspecified but probably something you don't like] location'. On September 03 2014 07:48 Vivax wrote: So bats, do you think in terms of who is easy to lynch or in terms of who is town or not. You imply somebody, in this case poofter, is scummy for going after easy targets which is nonsense. You have a bunch of people playing the game, some play the game with more effort than others. When those playing with effort scumread those who play with less effort then yes, the target is easy but the motivation behind it is largely understandable. The hardest part of playing scum is putting effort you don't actually have to put into the game cause there's nothing for you to solve. So explain to me what the hell you're trying to achieve with this stuff on tp. 1. Poofter has more posts than any two people in this thread combined. 2. Poofter is only going after easy targets. 3. Vivax just accused ObiWan of being lazy. 4. Vivax dismisses Poofter being "lazy" despite doing the same thing. On September 03 2014 12:54 Vivax wrote: Yeah he's [batsnacks is] not interesting to me On September 03 2014 13:01 Vivax wrote: Maybe bats is worth a closer look, since he didn't explain his first post as far as I see. On September 03 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote: Then there's something about apologetic tone being a scum tell and his second post being a vote on Templar. Later he says he has no scumreads. Look at the time stamps. 8 minutes after Vivax says batsnacks isn't interesting, he says he are several red things about him. Very interesting that you find a read on him ONE MINUTE after you say "maybe there could be something interesting about this guy that I just said wasn't interesting"? Conclusion: Vivax is trying way too hard to make kita/me look like red buddies and also conveniently dismissing batsnacks being lazy until he "finds" "something interesting" about him. Also takes Poofter and ObiWan, similar cases, and treats them differently. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also what scumdude creates more work for himself? 1. Poofter has more posts than any two people in this thread combined. 2. Poofter is only going after easy targets. 3. Vivax just accused ObiWan of being lazy. 4. Vivax dismisses Poofter being "lazy" despite doing the same thing. Vivax is saying that its not scummy for going after easy targets. the other stuff is just totally extrapolating from very little evidence. Bad bad case. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
how disappointing. Hope it's worth reading in my class today. Anything special happened? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 03 2014 21:13 batsnacks wrote: If I'm gambling, I bet kitaman is mafia and his mission is that he has to vote with the majority. ##vote: kitaman27 ![[image loading]](http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/aceventurathumbsup.gif) | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
where can I find GIFs like that one? | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 03 2014 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote: bats filter isnt that long. Also what scumdude creates more work for himself? Vivax is saying that its not scummy for going after easy targets. the other stuff is just totally extrapolating from very little evidence. Bad bad case. Vivax accused ObiWan of being lazy because he went after an easy target. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at? Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post? Shows a lack of effort here. The thread is incredibly small that skimming is not necessary, you can read everything in 10 minutes. She asks about the batsnacks post, yet he has like 2-3 posts at this point. How difficult is it to click the filter button and give an opinion, rather than asking to be pointed to the post? The batsnack third party speculation could be a mafia mindsight if she knows he isn't scum. At one point she mentions, "why focus on missions when we should be finding mafia", yet at no point in the thread is she actually attempting to find mafia, aside from mentioning 3d in passing. When she returns to the thread, she mentions how disappointing it is the the thread is so small, yet when the thread was small, she couldn't be bothered to read it to begin with. Again, she asks about anything worth reading, instead of attempting to bring new ideas to the thread. I'd put her in my red pool right now. (Ahead of kush, maybe bumping out Oats?). I still want to reread 3d one more time, but I'm between bunnies and the M guy who doesn't post. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On September 03 2014 22:05 kitaman27 wrote: Shows a lack of effort here. The thread is incredibly small that skimming is not necessary, you can read everything in 10 minutes. She asks about the batsnacks post, yet he has like 2-3 posts at this point. How difficult is it to click the filter button and give an opinion, rather than asking to be pointed to the post? The batsnack third party speculation could be a mafia mindsight if she knows he isn't scum. At one point she mentions, "why focus on missions when we should be finding mafia", yet at no point in the thread is she actually attempting to find mafia, aside from mentioning 3d in passing. When she returns to the thread, she mentions how disappointing it is the the thread is so small, yet when the thread was small, she couldn't be bothered to read it to begin with. Again, she asks about anything worth reading, instead of attempting to bring new ideas to the thread. I'd put her in my red pool right now. (Ahead of kush, maybe bumping out Oats?). I still want to reread 3d one more time, but I'm between bunnies and the M guy who doesn't post. 1. It's not a lack of effort. If you read my town games you'll understand why I do the above. What one person finds important in the thread, another may not. I like to gauge where people are at within the thread and how they are thinking. The easiest way to do that is to ask what key points happened within the thread, and then to question as to why that's important to them. If you notice, I did exactly that to Templar. 2. Wrong, I'm finding mafia. 3. I'm reading and commenting. See point one. (I also have another page with all the points I'm going to address. You'll see it in about 2 minutes. 4. Yay, pools that are red. Kinda reminds me of Lllamas with Hats when they are in the boat filled with the blood of the Elderly couple. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On September 03 2014 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: why do you want to kill 3p rather than mafia bunnies? Why wouldn't you? I want to kill both. Plus we don't even know if there is a 3p role in this game. Like I said just an idea. On September 03 2014 00:55 Damdred wrote: Oh i misunderstood what you were saying about bats, I thought you were just calling him a fool in general not the role fool. I do not know if their is a third party so i'll leave that alone for now. But does awkward=scummy always? Is that a good way to go about scum reading people? Awkward does not necessarily equal scummy. But mafia tend to be more awkward in their posting because of not being sure what to say, I find. Stop being mean to new people. @3d12- you said my read on tehpoofter was silly and based on troll posts, but I think I gave a bit more reasoning than that. why is the read silly to you? What do you think of poofter so far? Also http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=17#338<--------- Town tehpoof | ||
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Vivax
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##Vote: Micchan I like what kitaman has to say about nb. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 03 2014 22:00 The_Templar wrote: where can I find GIFs like that one? Go to your local VHS store, rent a 90s classic, throw it into your VCR and record it using your camcorder. Purchase a cassette I/O drive and a hard drive with at least 50 MB capacity. Connect to the tubes using your dial-up modem, wait at least 10 hours for upload, and you've got the perfect gif for responding to absurd votes like this one. The explanation is so bad here that I'm struggling to determine whether a mafia could be so bold to use that as their reasoning or if a town player could be that paranoid. -_- | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On September 03 2014 22:15 Vivax wrote: Ima take a nap now so just in case I sleep through til deadline by mistake I'm gonna put a placeholder vote on the "low hanging fruit", cause after all it's never a bad option for a D1 lynch. ##Vote: Micchan I like what kitaman has to say about nb. After your nap, can you expand on your reads here? On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote: 3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone. I also don't think he's scum. Scum is among this bunch imo: - Templar - Kush - Kita - 27nb - micchan Preferably before your nap if you can | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 03 2014 21:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Anything special happened? On September 03 2014 21:13 batsnacks wrote: If I'm gambling, I bet kitaman is mafia and his mission is that he has to vote with the majority. ##vote: kitaman27 Thoughts? | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Always knew you were into threesomes. I like your reads, though the ones I would disagree on would be Vivax as town, and me and Templar as mafia. The others are pretty good, and coincide to where I'm at in this game. | ||
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