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On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns.
I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2.
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On August 23 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2. It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir. Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game?
He's been my tester for the website to write notes about Mafia games (a pretty experimental project but perhaps it could come to wider use soon as it's pretty much finished already). He must have noticed I was currently using it since I copy-pasted my notes as my first post in the game.
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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.
I'm going to give my reasons here.
1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.
2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.
3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy
4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.
5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.
So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.
##Vote Xatalos
1) Bad != scummy. Besides it wasn't all bad, there were just a couple of questionable arguments in there since it was composed of my natural immediate thoughts instead of carefully considering what to post.
2) This is just false.
3) As scum I ALWAYS find something to push and push it neatly to emulate optimal townie behaviour (often it's even on actual scum to distance myself). Me being uncertain makes me town if anything.
4) See above.
5) Hapa just arriving to the thread doesn't mean he's suspicious. In fact I think he's very town for analysing me 100% correctly + I think he's probably correct on rayn as well. Each of his posts has been constructive and brought more original information to the thread. Why is he suspicious / useless again?
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I never called rayn town. I called him null at best. The MafiaTools thing was just that I saw how he could have a town motivation for doing that.
Hapa has done more during his short time in the thread than almost any player has done throughout the whole game.
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On August 23 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for me Xatalos?
Copied from my notes:
1) softpushing yamato awkwardly without follow-up
2) scumreading Damdred based on out of context / false reasons
3) basically just pushing suspicion everywhere and hoping it sticks somewhere
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On August 23 2014 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:56 Xatalos wrote:
Hapa has done more during his short time in the thread than almost any player has done throughout the whole game. Ridiculous, holy shit.
Maybe "most players" would be more appropriate.
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On August 23 2014 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck. Can someone tell what i think?
Like JAT. I am so bad at this shit. I cannot explain myself. I just know who is mafia and who is not. No, I can't. I am not sure what side to take here yet..
Switzerland represents 
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On August 23 2014 07:04 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for me Xatalos? Copied from my notes: 1) softpushing yamato awkwardly without follow-up 2) scumreading Damdred based on out of context / false reasons 3) basically just pushing suspicion everywhere and hoping it sticks somewhere why was none of this in the notes you published, i think all the things you accused him of happened before you possted your notes
I only realized point 1 after Hapa posted it, point 2 happened later and I didn't really realize point 3 until now either (plus the lame Damdred push happened later too which contributes to point 3).
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On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false
So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages).
1) If that's not softpushing I don't know what is
2) this is certainly true as has been pointed out by others in addition to me as well
3) true since you've pushed a ton of people on weak reasons and tried to validate your pushes constantly
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Just as I said it would only be worse if you included yamato as well you went and did it :/
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On August 23 2014 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
then lynch me and die on N2 Xatalos.
I am telling who is mafia. I do not care if i get lynched.
Make a fucking case and push it you fucktard.
Fixed that for you.
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On August 23 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). How the hell is yamato obvtown?!
yamato barely manages to post as scum and his posts are all very generic and weak. Here he's really actively posting and clearly enjoying it. I think he hates playing as scum so he never shows joy in his scumplay.
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I think yamato even actually explained in some (scum?)QT to me once how he hates playing as scum. And it's clearly apparent from his... lacking play in the PYP Handslaps or whatever game.
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On August 23 2014 07:18 Damdred wrote:
....xata did you do what i think you did?
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On August 23 2014 07:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:14 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). How the hell is yamato obvtown?! yamato barely manages to post as scum and his posts are all very generic and weak. Here he's really actively posting and clearly enjoying it. I think he hates playing as scum so he never shows joy in his scumplay. He shows joy because Hapa defends him against rayn. He will do that regardless of alignment and apart from enforcing the push on rayn he did jackshit. I think you never saw him actually playing town.
He was town in the Vendetta Strada game and pretty useless overall but he still felt motivated and tried to do at least something. As scum... he didn't really do anything. Anything at all.
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On August 23 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
then lynch me and die on N2 Xatalos.
I am telling who is mafia. I do not care if i get lynched.
Make a fucking case and push it you fucktard. Fixed that for you.
And?
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On August 23 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 07:14 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). How the hell is yamato obvtown?! yamato barely manages to post as scum and his posts are all very generic and weak. Here he's really actively posting and clearly enjoying it. I think he hates playing as scum so he never shows joy in his scumplay. He shows joy because Hapa defends him against rayn. He will do that regardless of alignment and apart from enforcing the push on rayn he did jackshit. I think you never saw him actually playing town. He was town in the Vendetta Strada game and pretty useless overall but he still felt motivated and tried to do at least something. As scum... he didn't really do anything. Anything at all. So? Did he do anything at all in this game? No, not really.
This pretty much sums up yamato's play in that game as scum:
On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.
Whatever.
Here's he's at least given a lot of reads and expressed a lot of feelings in his posts.
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On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne
On August 23 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote:
xat/kels/damdred/gb all likely town
robik being robik
turtlevine is apparently confirmed to gb, so he's town
lolol ez game ez lyfe
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On August 23 2014 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Nvm it felt fot a second you were soft claiming something anyway....yea tge thread atmosphere has went to crap
No I just meant that scum will likely shoot Hapa -> me. Or maybe Hapa -> jat?
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On August 23 2014 07:30 KelsierSC wrote:
I think Dam is town for D1 and there are better lynches.
So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that.
But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch.
His read is accurate and wrong? Isn't that a contradiction?
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