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On August 26 2014 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 11:31 yamato77 wrote:
I love how damdred and wave were Hapa's top scumreads in the night and now they are top town with me to everyone else.
0% chance Hapa is suddenly this bad of a player just because of a break.
Also 0% chance we lynch VA today. That claim sucks. He says he wasted his roleblock and nullifies his cop heck and track because mafia probably have a roleblocker. Tbh I think it's impossible that they don't have it. Nothing is ok on that claim. I'll lynch him without second thoughts and if he flips blue I will blame him for bad play. By the way ##Vote: VayneAuthority You're not a smurf, right? 'Cause I am consistently impressed with your play and attitude----it meshes really well somehow with people who have been playing here for years. Yamato just because you feel like being ballsy doesn't mean hapa is necessarily the right lynch.
Hahaha no, I'm not a smurf lol. I'm just still pumped that my drunk play killed a mafia and being arrogant because I'm confirmed town for being mason.
I'll soon do a gross mislynch and get back to my humility
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On August 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well if you're here, what do you make of your mason partner's shockingly terrible play in your absence?
Haven't catch up already, so I don't know what he has being saying. What's wrong with his play?
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On August 26 2014 11:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll let you decide. Come back to me when you're caught up.
I'll read his filter if that's ok, because I'll totally NOT read the thread today, I'm too tired
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How's the vote count by the way?
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On August 26 2014 11:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll let you decide. Come back to me when you're caught up.
Just read his filter and it seems like an ok play. He's just not too involved in the game. He is confirmed town to me so it would be too host WIFOM to mason us, confirm us both as town and make him scum...
I don't get you why were you asking that to me.
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On August 26 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was just wondering if he was acting all wonky and not reading shit under your orders or something. 'Making plays' or some shit.
I hate that.
Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim?
Oh I was writing and my battery died 
I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads.
Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade.
Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM.
But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills.
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On August 26 2014 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was just wondering if he was acting all wonky and not reading shit under your orders or something. 'Making plays' or some shit.
I hate that.
Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim? Oh I was writing and my battery died I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads. Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade. Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM. But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills. Well technically many claims made by mafia could be covered up (ie cop check on Rayn for example) but I personally think the idea of JoaT with JK and confirmed masons is OP and impossible. As for Vayne's role use----his role use as town actually IS known to be fucking terrible (see I swear this is normal mini where Vayne did some absolutely retarded shit after getting a KP midgame for example). I don't think that's enough to give me pause however.
Pretty balanced considering scum has 2 kill points each night and masons are completely powerless to catch mafia.
Regarding you second question: not good to claim blue. You seem to like this idea. Why?
Hapa is my second target. Btw, hapa, what do you think of lynching VA? If you already answered that, could you ease answer again?
I'm going to sleep now.
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On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote:
I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now.
And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then
Damdred, how in the hell someone would CC such a rare role? Almost impossible.
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On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game.
It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that?
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##Unvote
I'm convinced VA's claim is legit.
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Why VA's claim is probably legit
1) Timing his claim was on early day one and sucked a lot of attention. Why mafia would do that in such timing?
2) Pressure he was under too little pressure to desperately fake claim. I don't think that anyone with too little pressure would fake claim like that.
3) Time Waste his intention of not wasting time with people reading him is very good for town (although it had an opposite effect LOL)
4) Godfather's role Godfather's role fits JOAT role completely in this game, and I bet nobody checked his role at the end of night 1
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On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
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1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all.
2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't. I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path.
A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu?
B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT?
C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right?
D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path?
E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game.
##Vote: KelsierSC
You're mafia.
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On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
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There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed
I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok.
Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right.
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On August 26 2014 22:38 KelsierSC wrote:Also Show nested quote +firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?
If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water.
If you're mafia you know he will be useless for now on as you probably have a roleblocker and you can always kill the confirmed town by night. It's more beneficial to mafia now to force a mislynch Onegu (as it looked like you were doing considering your post) and nullify a confirmed and useless (on reads) confirmed town by night.
And as you're mafia, you KNOW he is town. Easy to hard defend him.
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On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
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I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. What explanation I didn't see that at all
I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine.
But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things:
1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time
2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you.
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On August 26 2014 22:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:38 KelsierSC wrote:Also firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?
If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water. If you're mafia you know he will be useless for now on as you probably have a roleblocker and you can always kill the confirmed town by night. It's more beneficial to mafia now to force a mislynch Onegu (as it looked like you were doing considering your post) and nullify a confirmed and useless (on reads) confirmed town by night. And as you're mafia, you KNOW he is town. Easy to hard defend him. I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed. If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this. It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier.
Sad shit tier is sad
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On August 26 2014 22:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
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It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. What explanation I didn't see that at all I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you. Btw wouldn't KSC kill you since you "scumread" him at night? Well it's all WIFOM...
Too obvious right? I would be on the right track.
Now we get to the second WIFOM level. I admit it wasn't a good strategy. It just fits my scumread on the top tier
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Find me awkward interactions with Robik and scumreads given by JAT and I might consider changing my vote.
Help the retard here
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On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.
It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.
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It's bad because he town reads hapa before Rayn is dead :/
Hapa is probably scum tho. I remember saying that I couldn't see a scenario where both were town
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