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On August 24 2014 01:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Part of my reads are based on people who are reading the game the same way as me, not all of it though.
Otherwise why are Hapa and Rayn both in my town list.
I forget the exact quote but something BH said a while ago about 'you have to look at the meaning behind the facts?' lol
Reads themselves don't mean shit. Assuming you're town, it would be so easy for any scummer in this game to see that you have a hardon for people who read the game in the same as you and just float along. What is important is in the thought process and how they arrived at the same conclusions as you. Yeah your Hapa/Rayn thing being town is a little different and I'm leaning towards the same thing (unsure on Hapa still tbh) but a lot of the time the main points you bring against people (me earlier in the game, Damdred for example) are solely based on your conclusions versus theirs. It's been bothering me ever since you started doing it because in theory it's an easy way to pocket people.
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On August 24 2014 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am xapable of having the biggest filter in a game as mafia. Don't usw it to read me. Wave.... 
Don't smile at me you shitter 
Are you around?
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On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well.
Yeh at the time the Dam read felt weak and generic but he as shown recently that he does tend to disappear or stay quiet around important topics. So in hindsight that was a pretty good read from you.
I still think Dam is town but your read of him was from a town perspective imo
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On August 24 2014 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Part of my reads are based on people who are reading the game the same way as me, not all of it though.
Otherwise why are Hapa and Rayn both in my town list. I forget the exact quote but something BH said a while ago about 'you have to look at the meaning behind the facts?' lol Reads themselves don't mean shit. Assuming you're town, it would be so easy for any scummer in this game to see that you have a hardon for people who read the game in the same as you and just float along. What is important is in the thought process and how they arrived at the same conclusions as you. Yeah your Hapa/Rayn thing being town is a little different and I'm leaning towards the same thing (unsure on Hapa still tbh) but a lot of the time the main points you bring against people (me earlier in the game, Damdred for example) are solely based on your conclusions versus theirs. It's been bothering me ever since you started doing it because in theory it's an easy way to pocket people.
I agree, but for D1 I think it is an accurate heuristic
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On August 24 2014 01:20 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 01:12 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:08 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:
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With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense why were you so happy to sheep hapas read i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever. Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused. I think we must just disagree on how Yam has played this game, For me he has tried to BW that push on rayn and then kind of disappeared and posted random bullshit it seems unmotivated and useless. What bothers me most about your attack on rayn is the timing of things, I just don't like how you later posted the notes on rayn that included the thing he said about yamato, but you never even brought that up until Hapa remembered it for you. Like that seems a big thing to forget on someone you are wavering town on. you said that everyone has a score of "-1 to 2" so I don't think any of that is concrete. Also I am curious you town reading me when I read Yam as scum and rayn as town. You can be wrong and town. It happens all the time, especially since you don't know me or anyone else here. By the way currently my points go from -3 to 3. Even so I'm really a bit conservative with my points. Even GB & turtlevine are only 8 when they're pretty much confirmed. An extreme townread would be something like 5 or 6. Hm. Well I guess we'll see about yamato. It's a bit hard to explain, but his tone is just so different. In the PYP game all his posts were bored / resigned. Here he's actually excited to play (that's the feeling I got). I can't say he hasn't been useless, but he's useless as town too. I'm not completely sure what you mean there? Obviously I added the scummy 1&2&3 points to my notes only *after* I thought of them - when Damdred had just made his push on Damdred and Hapa had started his push. It's not like I had them in my notes all along (LOL how could that even be possible - the Damdred thing happened way after I posted my notes earlier). With the notes thing I am specifically talking about the yamato thing., you posted notes once that didnt have the yamato question but the 2nd notes you posted did, this was way after the original question rayn asked. Your reads are just too different to mine at the moment Xat. Could you explain your current reads in full? I'll give you my opinion on them. Yeah I didn't notice the yamato point in rayn's filter since it was so huge until Hapa brought it up. I only added it to my notes after Hapa mentioned it. Not really sure what's unclear here. Basically you were wavering on Rayn and finding it hard to read him so missing out the point about yamato which is now a major crux of your scum read just doesn't add up to me. Like if it is now such a big deal how did you miss it before.
It just escaped my attention. I didn't realize at first how weird it is for town rayn to ask others if someone is scummy. He would just say "pretty sure yamato is scum" or something like that.
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On August 24 2014 01:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well. Yeh at the time the Dam read felt weak and generic but he as shown recently that he does tend to disappear or stay quiet around important topics. So in hindsight that was a pretty good read from you.
I still think Dam is town but your read of him was from a town perspective imo
See, the bolded is how you should be thinking, but the sentences above that is really what you liked. It looks like you just threw the 'town perspective' thing in as an after thought based on the post I just made.
I do have to say though I have liked your play much better throughout the day than how you started off. I hated how 'generic-this-is-the-stuff-town-should-say' your posting was.
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On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot
That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with.
On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town.
On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard?
1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes.
2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting.
On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town"
Good question.
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On August 24 2014 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am xapable of having the biggest filter in a game as mafia. Don't usw it to read me. Wave.... Don't smile at me you shitter Are you around?
Yes. For awhile.
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Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.
so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.
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On August 24 2014 01:58 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:20 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 01:12 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:08 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:
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This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous.
1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish.
2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed.
3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy.
4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon.
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This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense why were you so happy to sheep hapas read i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever. Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused. I think we must just disagree on how Yam has played this game, For me he has tried to BW that push on rayn and then kind of disappeared and posted random bullshit it seems unmotivated and useless. What bothers me most about your attack on rayn is the timing of things, I just don't like how you later posted the notes on rayn that included the thing he said about yamato, but you never even brought that up until Hapa remembered it for you. Like that seems a big thing to forget on someone you are wavering town on. you said that everyone has a score of "-1 to 2" so I don't think any of that is concrete. Also I am curious you town reading me when I read Yam as scum and rayn as town. You can be wrong and town. It happens all the time, especially since you don't know me or anyone else here. By the way currently my points go from -3 to 3. Even so I'm really a bit conservative with my points. Even GB & turtlevine are only 8 when they're pretty much confirmed. An extreme townread would be something like 5 or 6. Hm. Well I guess we'll see about yamato. It's a bit hard to explain, but his tone is just so different. In the PYP game all his posts were bored / resigned. Here he's actually excited to play (that's the feeling I got). I can't say he hasn't been useless, but he's useless as town too. I'm not completely sure what you mean there? Obviously I added the scummy 1&2&3 points to my notes only *after* I thought of them - when Damdred had just made his push on Damdred and Hapa had started his push. It's not like I had them in my notes all along (LOL how could that even be possible - the Damdred thing happened way after I posted my notes earlier). With the notes thing I am specifically talking about the yamato thing., you posted notes once that didnt have the yamato question but the 2nd notes you posted did, this was way after the original question rayn asked. Your reads are just too different to mine at the moment Xat. Could you explain your current reads in full? I'll give you my opinion on them. Yeah I didn't notice the yamato point in rayn's filter since it was so huge until Hapa brought it up. I only added it to my notes after Hapa mentioned it. Not really sure what's unclear here. Basically you were wavering on Rayn and finding it hard to read him so missing out the point about yamato which is now a major crux of your scum read just doesn't add up to me. Like if it is now such a big deal how did you miss it before. It just escaped my attention. I didn't realize at first how weird it is for town rayn to ask others if someone is scummy. He would just say "pretty sure yamato is scum" or something like that.
His play in this game is actually very reminiscent of marv (aside from the spam). Tossing out random questions and reads every so often. Throwing his vote down without much explanation, throwing his ego at people. All of this stuff can be done by Rayn but I can't honestly remember if he does it all...so...blatantly? I dunno. Just feels weird. Still would not lynch today unless he does like I said later.
Xat, who are your scumreads and why? cba to look through your filter yet.
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Theres three or four people in the thread that say that I always dissapear during important topics. Its really frustrating I really can't be here 24/7 but when i'm here I do talk about whatever is going on or things that I see are important.
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On August 23 2014 23:47 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah that's pretty much the worst / most incorrect possible reason to scumread Damdred. Actually even during the big spamfest he only posted original stuff and didn't sheep anything... That's just an unacceptable reason rayn.
On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me. Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real. With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense why were you so happy to sheep hapas read i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever. Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused.
Oh god.... can you actually start taking a stance on ANYTHING?
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On August 24 2014 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am xapable of having the biggest filter in a game as mafia. Don't usw it to read me. Wave.... Don't smile at me you shitter Are you around? Yes. For awhile.
I'm not lynching hapa in all likelihood today. What do you have to say to that?
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On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.
so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.
What do you consider sheeping?
Is it something town or scum do?
When and why?
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You're bad. 
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On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard? 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question.
lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game.
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Onegu can you give me reads on some other players in the game.
Specifically i want a read from you on Hap, Yam , Dam and Xat.
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On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote:
Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40?
Just stop posting useless filler like this and catch up. Seriously.
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On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard? 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question. lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game.
Yeah, only problem is that I also do that in every single towngame.
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On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.
so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me. What do you consider sheeping? Is it something town or scum do? When and why?
Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw.
It feels scummy to me.
They do it if they want to push a ML.
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