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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 23 2014 17:25 GMT
#1261
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 23 2014 17:26 GMT
#1262
On August 24 2014 02:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:19 Damdred wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:12 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.

so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.

What do you consider sheeping?
Is it something town or scum do?
When and why?


Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw.

It feels scummy to me.

They do it if they want to push a ML.


Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote?


If by the end of the day I had no strong reads I would probably just suicide for being useless.

In all seriousness yes I would probably vote along with the confirmed town..

Was that the case in this situation? It was not near the end of day and it was the FIRST post Hapa had made, he was nowhere near confirmed.

Dam what is your read on WoS now?


I'm actually going to go back on my original read. Hes actually being really logical and he seems to be helping and it seems to be coming form a town position. I like him a lot better than I did earlier in the thread at this point.

More backdown, not that I'm surprised. Filtering you right now. You're either on the table for me or off.


Yea yea yea, I backdown because you seemed more town than you did earlier in the day and I don't think you are on the table for lynch anyway. I'm ok with being wrong about someone and saying why i'm wrong but yea a lot of the stuff you posted earlier in the day was scummy to me, just the stuff you posted recently make sense and seem towny. I don't see what the problem is
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 23 2014 17:27 GMT
#1263
On August 24 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're bad.

Yeah I'm well aware that you think so. There's nobody in mafia better than you hapa and marv /dicktug

Fact is though, marv at least gets results a lot of the time, without having to resort to what you seem to have to. And even then, he is perfectly capable of completely fucking up a game---see Heavyweight Championships.

Even if I were town in that game I can say with absolute certainty I would not follow marv blind into a lynch like the rest of everyone did, and I never will. The same thing applies now. The fact that you spam and feel the need to try and force town into it in fact makes me want to lynch hapa less just to spite you.

I understand and maybe you are right. Maybe not.

I believe i am right and when i do, i will try to mak peoole believe me.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 17:28 GMT
#1264
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 23 2014 17:29 GMT
#1265
On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.


Show me what good points Xata, most of what he brought to the thread had been talked about before and as someone who Rayn says can always read him and he self claims he can read rayn he doesn't bring a ton to the thread in the way of a read when rayn has a lot of pages to draw from.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 23 2014 17:29 GMT
#1266
On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.

And you think that is more towny than let's say.. READ THE DAMN THREAD? Why can't he do it as scum?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 23 2014 17:31 GMT
#1267
On August 24 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.


Show me what good points Xata, most of what he brought to the thread had been talked about before and as someone who Rayn says can always read him and he self claims he can read rayn he doesn't bring a ton to the thread in the way of a read when rayn has a lot of pages to draw from.

Don't put any stock in what Onegu says about his ability to read people (-> Holyflare in the last game).
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 23 2014 17:31 GMT
#1268
On August 24 2014 02:18 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 01:22 KelsierSC wrote:
As for my reads

Town - Dam,GB,Turtle,JAT,VA,WoS,rayn,Hapa

Scum - Yam,Xat

null - Onegu

Obviously one of town reads is wrong but for d1 i like to make a big town circle and eliminate from there.



I'd like explanations as well but I'll go with this and examine the similarities and differences. Apparently a big reason for you to scumread me is that our "reads are different" so this should at last put your argument to rest.

GB/turtlevine - obviously agreed

WOS/Hapa/jat - agreed

Damdred - somewhat agreed but I think there's a chance he could be scum - definitely not for the reasons rayn mentioned though, and not a lynch candidate for now - town?

VA - apparently serious VA = scum VA, I don't really know VA that well but I wouldn't at least townread him so easily - scum?

rayn - pretty hard to townread him when he's constantly brought BS arguments against me, ignored his own strategy to read me (probably because it would just make me look good), softpushed / validated his reads from the thread, pushed a REALLY bad case against Damdred etc. - scum

yamato - useless yamato isn't necessarily scum yamato, and I think he's shown some of his townie characteristics... with that said his continued lurking and making these quick useless posts here and there doesn't look good so I'm not very confident to call him town anymore - nullish

Onegu - I think his entrance to the thread was good, not a fan of his repeated questions about the Masons though - town lean still

Overall if we ignore GB/turtlevine, we agree on 4 out of 8 reads and the only significant difference is rayn/VA. Why do you townread VA btw?


I think I posted about it earlier

On August 23 2014 07:30 KelsierSC wrote:
I think Dam is town for D1 and there are better lynches.

So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that.

But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch.


As for the reads I still don't have enough to read Onegu to be honest and the rayn , yamato, Hapa interactions is the real thing I am focusing on right now and we just read that situation totally different and you came off scummy to me.

Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 17:32 GMT
#1269
On August 24 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.


Show me what good points Xata, most of what he brought to the thread had been talked about before and as someone who Rayn says can always read him and he self claims he can read rayn he doesn't bring a ton to the thread in the way of a read when rayn has a lot of pages to draw from.


I think it's a pretty good point that as town rayn always says stuff like "I NEVER do this as scum!". Not once this game. Plus the point about rayn believing strongly in everything he says as town, whereas here he just begged others to scumread yamato for him and pushed Damdred with pretty much the most lame case in the whole thread.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
turtlevine
Profile Joined August 2014
74 Posts
August 23 2014 17:33 GMT
#1270
At this point it's important to note
that my xat case was not a meta vote
I just don't like the list
or his new scumscore twist
it was worth giving the man a poke

On August 23 2014 23:16 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?


Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO.



Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town.


turtlevine said that they are both confirmed town to each other.


I know at first I didn't say so
but GB and I are confirmed bros
the hosts made a mistake
so we did a double take
because at first they didn't pm us that info


I've read a good bit from GB
who suspects scum is hapahauli
since hapa's involvement is low
and his posting is slow
I am quite inclined to agree.


It's not just about filter length,
but also about posting strength,
he starts with a case,
but get's somewhat off base,
and his yamato case's barely a wrench.

I don't like that yamato delurk
but hapa's quite a piece of work,
he's poking and prodding
and joking and plodding
and still hasn't completed a clear work.

If Hapa were town he'd act better,
he'd push his cases even if he looked like a nutter,
and here he backs off,
with confusion and scoff,
changing reads with every new letter

##unvote xatalos
##vote hapahauli
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 23 2014 17:34 GMT
#1271
But are those really Oneg points or have they been said before in the thread Xata? What about his case or his presence in the thread was actually helpful towards the case about Rayn?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 23 2014 17:34 GMT
#1272
On August 24 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.

so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.

What do you consider sheeping?
Is it something town or scum do?
When and why?


Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw.

It feels scummy to me.

They do it if they want to push a ML.


In fact Hapa only added one argument against rayn and I have several more.


I think Hapa posted about the yamato question, and him flipping around on people.

you added the dama interaction, which i didn't think was that scummy.

Point is you only posted you thought he was scum after Hapa did and AFTER your original notes which rayn as like a null with a town point .
Zerg for Life
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 23 2014 17:34 GMT
#1273
On August 24 2014 02:32 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.


Show me what good points Xata, most of what he brought to the thread had been talked about before and as someone who Rayn says can always read him and he self claims he can read rayn he doesn't bring a ton to the thread in the way of a read when rayn has a lot of pages to draw from.


I think it's a pretty good point that as town rayn always says stuff like "I NEVER do this as scum!". Not once this game. Plus the point about rayn believing strongly in everything he says as town, whereas here he just begged others to scumread yamato for him and pushed Damdred with pretty much the most lame case in the whole thread.

Please show me where rayn BEGGED others to scumread yamato.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 23 2014 17:35 GMT
#1274
For the rexord i so not care avout what i said about Xatalos and his notes. Bwxause i found mafia and i cannot lynch two mafia in onw day. That's for N1.
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 23 2014 17:36 GMT
#1275
On August 24 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're bad.

Yeah I'm well aware that you think so. There's nobody in mafia better than you hapa and marv /dicktug

Fact is though, marv at least gets results a lot of the time, without having to resort to what you seem to have to. And even then, he is perfectly capable of completely fucking up a game---see Heavyweight Championships.

Even if I were town in that game I can say with absolute certainty I would not follow marv blind into a lynch like the rest of everyone did, and I never will. The same thing applies now. The fact that you spam and feel the need to try and force town into it in fact makes me want to lynch hapa less just to spite you.

I understand and maybe you are right. Maybe not.

I believe i am right and when i do, i will try to mak peoole believe me.

I would be incredibly impressed if scumrayn said this.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 23 2014 17:36 GMT
#1276
Turtle are you completely caught up?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 17:36 GMT
#1277
On August 24 2014 02:34 Damdred wrote:
But are those really Oneg points or have they been said before in the thread Xata? What about his case or his presence in the thread was actually helpful towards the case about Rayn?


I believe nobody mentioned those points before him, especially the "I never do this as scum!" one, nothing even close to that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 23 2014 17:37 GMT
#1278
On August 24 2014 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're bad.

Yeah I'm well aware that you think so. There's nobody in mafia better than you hapa and marv /dicktug

Fact is though, marv at least gets results a lot of the time, without having to resort to what you seem to have to. And even then, he is perfectly capable of completely fucking up a game---see Heavyweight Championships.

Even if I were town in that game I can say with absolute certainty I would not follow marv blind into a lynch like the rest of everyone did, and I never will. The same thing applies now. The fact that you spam and feel the need to try and force town into it in fact makes me want to lynch hapa less just to spite you.

I understand and maybe you are right. Maybe not.

I believe i am right and when i do, i will try to mak peoole believe me.

I would be incredibly impressed if scumrayn said this.

wat, I think you are really undererstimating him.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 23 2014 17:37 GMT
#1279
Oh shit if that's Prome and he also thinks Hapa is scum then we're getting somewhere.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 17:38 GMT
#1280
On August 24 2014 02:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:32 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?


The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum.


Show me what good points Xata, most of what he brought to the thread had been talked about before and as someone who Rayn says can always read him and he self claims he can read rayn he doesn't bring a ton to the thread in the way of a read when rayn has a lot of pages to draw from.


I think it's a pretty good point that as town rayn always says stuff like "I NEVER do this as scum!". Not once this game. Plus the point about rayn believing strongly in everything he says as town, whereas here he just begged others to scumread yamato for him and pushed Damdred with pretty much the most lame case in the whole thread.

Please show me where rayn BEGGED others to scumread yamato.


On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia?


-> Forgot about it
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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