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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 14:43 GMT
#432
Oh, in Intrigue he didn't push me at first though. Only later on D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 14:52 GMT
#446
On August 22 2014 23:49 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.


Actually Xat everything I posted about besides the awkward re-entry was early in the thread and I had to re-read the filter to get to that point.


Yeah I guess that other point came from his earlier filter instead of his recent posts but I mean overall the process of going probably town -> maybe not town just as I was thinking the same thing.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 14:54 GMT
#451
On August 22 2014 23:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.


I want to punch you in the fucking face for saying something like that. I said this was a busy day for me. I even bolded it so you wouldn't skip that motherfucking post.


Btw why is your vote on turtlevine instead of me, your strong scumread?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 14:59 GMT
#455
Hmm it's kind of true that as scum you're more curious about people townreading you. In my best scumgame (forgot the name) one player was heavily townreading me and I pestered him about it for several posts because I was so curious about how he managed to come to that conclusion. As town I wouldn't probably have cared that much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 15:08 GMT
#459
On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So far were doing good.
We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town.
Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.

I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly.
Is there anyone who thinks they are town?


KSC - yeah probably town, really feels like he believes his own ideas and pushes them strongly without care for how he's viewed as a result

jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here

Robik - not as sure as last game but yeah leaning town for being pretty active and posting stuff

you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you

WOS - my earlier townread on him was a bit faulty so I don't really anyhow heavily townread him anymore, why is he scum though?

GB - I don't necessarily think he's town anymore, his weird connection read on me+WOS, curiousness about someone townreading him, and overall awkward posts lately don't look good... could be scum I guess
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 15:44 GMT
#496
On August 23 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 23:54 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.


I want to punch you in the fucking face for saying something like that. I said this was a busy day for me. I even bolded it so you wouldn't skip that motherfucking post.


Btw why is your vote on turtlevine instead of me, your strong scumread?


He knows the game is going on, post a shitty poem then perma lurks. I need him posting right now.

Robik, if you think I'm faking emotions, you should watch Mexican soap operas so you can understand the difference.


I don't think your vote will sway him in any way and why even vote if you don't suspect him? yamato posted less stuff than him too in fact and then lurked.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 15:47 GMT
#498
On August 23 2014 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT: Xatalos looks like he is trying to figure out the game. He can bus as mafia, he most likely would if he was mafia. He is also way more "certain" about stuff as scum. I am not strongly townreading him and in case he is scum he will either fuck up at the EOD1 or bus. Both are good.

Xatalos: The difference between JAT town and scumplay is like a day and night. Don't care to elaborate more on this at least yet. I do not understand why would you scumread him? Him not making a big case and voting at this point of the game does not make him mafia. In fact i think it makes him more likely to be town.


Last time you said my opinions are more vague as scum....? Wat.

I don't really scumread him, I just wonder why he's supertown to several people when I don't really see it. WOS said something about him being really different as scum too. Guess I should check his filter in Championship.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 15:53 GMT
#502
On August 23 2014 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So far were doing good.
We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town.
Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.

I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly.
Is there anyone who thinks they are town?

jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here

If what I do is discrediting - why did you back down from all the reads I critisized you for? Also I DID call you scum several times already.


Yeah, after discrediting me for over a page or so? Well it's true that you turned out to be right on some points. I still think rayn is pretty nullish (based on the meta). And I also stand by my initial read of KSC.

Btw I think we were scum together in Intrigue? The game where BH got himself and 2 others modkilled? I don't remember much of what you did there, but I think you were a lot more lurky. Then again you had 24 pages in Championship. Gah.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 15:57 GMT
#508
On August 23 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you

I thought i was scum because i was not being helpful? Or rather.. that could be a scumtell for me.
Am i still not helpful? You agree with me on most of the stuff and i have explained everything except for why i originally scumread Wave.

What's this Xatalos?


No, you are null because you have played pretty similarly as both town and scum in recent games (not explaining stuff + pushing me hard early and then suddenly dropping it + being arrogant and confident in your reads).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 16:02 GMT
#520
On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 00:57 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you

I thought i was scum because i was not being helpful? Or rather.. that could be a scumtell for me.
Am i still not helpful? You agree with me on most of the stuff and i have explained everything except for why i originally scumread Wave.

What's this Xatalos?


No, you are null because you have played pretty similarly as both town and scum in recent games (not explaining stuff + pushing me hard early and then suddenly dropping it + being arrogant and confident in your reads).

But i have explained every singe thing i have said in this game.. As it READS IN MY FUCKING POST!


Yeah actually you've been improving in recent pages. Maybe I should put you as +1. I'm still very hesitant to lean town on you because I made that mistake in Titanic and we only got lucky because the Vig randomly killed you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 16:07 GMT
#530
On August 23 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:57 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you

I thought i was scum because i was not being helpful? Or rather.. that could be a scumtell for me.
Am i still not helpful? You agree with me on most of the stuff and i have explained everything except for why i originally scumread Wave.

What's this Xatalos?


No, you are null because you have played pretty similarly as both town and scum in recent games (not explaining stuff + pushing me hard early and then suddenly dropping it + being arrogant and confident in your reads).

But i have explained every singe thing i have said in this game.. As it READS IN MY FUCKING POST!


Yeah actually you've been improving in recent pages. Maybe I should put you as +1. I'm still very hesitant to lean town on you because I made that mistake in Titanic and we only got lucky because the Vig randomly killed you.

I didn't even fucking play in that game because i was in Helsinki and therefore afk all the time...


Well you've done more recently than you did in that game, it's still too early to townread you because you haven't done anything especially townish and you can play a good scumgame. What you just said only means that it wasn't even your best scumplay and still everyone townread you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 16:13 GMT
#532
What's the huge difference between scum jat and the jat in this game? Both here and there he constantly makes these one-liner subtly discrediting questions to people. And the activity level is about the same too I think. So why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:25 GMT
#606
LOL that claim. Well I've never seen scum claim Masons so almost certain town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:30 GMT
#609
On August 23 2014 01:20 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So far were doing good.
We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town.
Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.

I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly.
Is there anyone who thinks they are town?


KSC - yeah probably town, really feels like he believes his own ideas and pushes them strongly without care for how he's viewed as a result

jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here

Robik - not as sure as last game but yeah leaning town for being pretty active and posting stuff

you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you

WOS - my earlier townread on him was a bit faulty so I don't really anyhow heavily townread him anymore, why is he scum though?

GB - I don't necessarily think he's town anymore, his weird connection read on me+WOS, curiousness about someone townreading him, and overall awkward posts lately don't look good... could be scum I guess


Jat in his scum game was honestly useless, he only showed up to post things that somewhat made sense and he disappeared for long points of time and nobody called him on it he was just allowed to exist. Instead of doing that here, he is much more actively involved in the goings on of the day and is pressuring people to get their reads and not accepting at face value what they are saying but he seems to be digging to get a better understanding. I would strong town read JAT currently because of these reasons

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
What's the huge difference between scum jat and the jat in this game? Both here and there he constantly makes these one-liner subtly discrediting questions to people. And the activity level is about the same too I think. So why?


Could you show me these one liners where he is subtly discrediting people?


Hmm. Well he does seem pretty focused here. I guess I'll give him a pass.

Some posts that felt a bit similar to his scumgame:

On August 22 2014 20:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure there is at least 2 mafia in:
Hapa, Onegu, JAT, Xatalos.

pretty sure.

Great contribution bro.
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
all the people who have posted look town.
except i have missed the point where someone asked the question i just quoted.

Explain to me why you think damdred is town.


On August 22 2014 20:07 justanothertownie wrote:
Wave is town for sharing who he thinks he is able to read? Really?


On August 22 2014 20:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 20:16 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 22 2014 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
The bigger reason was him engaging so naturally in the discussion. I just initially thought he might be town after he started listing which players he's good at reading. Feels like something scum wouldn't want to share casually.

Why? Wave was being all casual and shit but he said very little game relevant things. And there are things like this:
On August 22 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually I want to go look up a scumgame of yours. Can you link/name one for me?

Why even ask this? Wave is perfectly able to use the database I am pretty sure.


Because increasing the amount of information in the thread is against scum's win condition. Let's assume that like WOS is very wrong on all of the players he mentioned throughout the game. That would make him more suspicious. Is it worth it to share that information with the thread in the hopes that someone like me would give him a bit of townie points for it? I don't really think so.

I have trouble buying that you really believe what you are saying here.


Stuff like that, not directly calling posts scummy but rather nitpicking/discrediting stuff.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:32 GMT
#610
Hmmmmmm. Who could be scum? I don't really see anyone as scummy atm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:37 GMT
#612
I guess it's time for some process of elimination. Town passes for the moment:

turtlevine
GB
KSC

Not really sure but don't want to lynch either atm:

rayn
Damdred
jat
Robik
WOS
yamato

Rest:

Hapa
Onegu
VA

lolz

There has to be scum in the "wouldn't lynch" category
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:43 GMT
#617
This makes me feel worse about rayn through there being too little other places for scum to reside. He's still a bad early lynch since he's surely an early NK target / asset if he's town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:46 GMT
#618
yamato... is lurking which is bad. I still think the tone of his posts was more aligned with his townplay but I wouldn't really mind lynching him for a lack of better option if he keeps on being lurky. Since yamato lurking = scum yamato.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:48 GMT
#619
Damdred is making sense lately and feels like a constructive force in the discussion. Unlynchable really.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 22 2014 17:49 GMT
#620
Same goes pretty for much jat I guess. Bad idea to lynch people who push the discussion forward.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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