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HE THINKS YOU ARE TOWN RAYN
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wave plz
I already know you're mafia
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Waaaaaaaaave.
The shoe is on the other foot, I'd say.
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Onegu filter is a tunnel of rayn. Literally nothing convincingly genuine in the whole spiel. Also, his concern of the mason claim comes off as scummy to me. Mafia would want to know all the details as that is information they don't have.
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vayne posted that he thought one of me/hapa/damdred was mafia and that xat/rayn were town
his only vote is on damdred
hard to judge him objectively because my biased impression is usually that he's mafia if he's posting reads with reasons.
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damdred feels pretty agressive and confident, more so than his scum game where he was pretty quiet and had 1/3 of the pages in the whole game as he did this d1. Also, he defended me and pushed xat for it, which makes him townier from my perspective.
however, it is possible he only used his "townread" as an excuse to push xat, but why would he pick and choose so decisively if he was mafia and we were both town?
his filter makes me want to re-evaluate xat, it does remind me of why I felt off about him. Why was he being so petty about my posts closer to deadline? And as Kels said, his sheep of Hapa onto rayn could be a sign. will look.
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Since Xat's filter is long and he's an active player, we'll distill the analysis down to voting patterns.
On August 22 2014 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
Sorry Damdred, you ended up in my list of suspects again. It's just the way how last time your posts were somehow memorable because they were so awkward, especially at the start, but here I pretty much forget what you just said after reading each of your posts. That's what I generally associate with scum.
On August 22 2014 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote Damdred
Seems like an odd way to go about lynching someone, but meh.
On August 22 2014 23:34 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then. If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though. I like this post. ##Unvote
Not much to go on yet really.
On August 23 2014 02:56 Xatalos wrote:
I guess I'll just
##Vote yamato77
until he does something genuinely towny
suuuuuper not impressed. the bias is real, but this is a shitty place for a vote.
On August 23 2014 05:08 Xatalos wrote:
I feel the urge to /sheep Hapa because he understands my meta and brought a good point about rayn. But it's my policy not to lynch heavyweight players on D1 :/ Gah maybe this is too much to turn a blind eye on though.
On August 23 2014 05:09 Xatalos wrote:
Ok let's lynch rayn. WAGON OF JUSTICE!!!
##Unvote
##Vote raynpelikoneet
+ Show Spoiler [bad joke] +"I don't usually do this, but..." Oh, you sly thing you, we know you like it dirty.
Wiggling his way onto a wagon? Or genuine indecision? Note previous posts about rayn is some more generally suggestive posting that he thinks rayn is scum but the vote doesn't come until later.
On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise.
Trying to find his transition from rayn -> back onto me, and I see this at the bottom of a post. "it's also not a loss even if he's town" sounds like a mafia rationalizing his mislynch push.
On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.
Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues.
more of the same.
On August 24 2014 06:30 Xatalos wrote:
Ok now I want to lynch yamato. His deadline behavior is exactly what he did as scum in the PYP game - totally disinterested and giving up at some sense of pressure.
##Unvote
##Vote yamato77
Finds his poor excuse.
On August 24 2014 07:25 Xatalos wrote:
In conclusion:
1) Town yamato doesn't make posts where he "gives up", scum yamato does
2) Town yamato is confident and aggro on players who disagree with him, scum yamato is not
Scum fits perfectly in this game for him.
Rides it allllllllll the way. 10+ posts saying essentially the same thing. : /
On August 24 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 08:18 KelsierSC wrote:
so Xat all you want me to do is lynch yam
But I read you as scum so badly and you are pushing on Yam. Even though he was town for you. And you shared his read on rayn who is still scum for you.
Like I would happily lynch over yamato and feel really good about it.
So when someone who I see is scum is puhsing hard for a lynch like it makes me uneasy, does that make sense.
You need to convince me you are town and you havent fucking done it you could be bussing, yam could be town ( I dont think he is_ but with how eager you are now to push this lynch through and live another day it just screams scum.
I cant think of one good reason to keep you for d2 Read Hapa's post on me at the last page and you will be enlightened. He gets it.
He's really proud of Hapa's townread. Really guys. He posts this a lot too.
As for right up to deadline...
On August 24 2014 09:51 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
They will both be a mislynch. Mafia is comfort with both wagons. We should lynch Robik. I still have 10 minutes but if people choose to lynch Robik I'll do so There's too little time to do something like that. Besides Robik is pretty much a coinflip. Do you want to get rid of me or yamato?
On August 24 2014 09:55 Xatalos wrote:
Could be a last-minute tactic. Just lynch yamato.
On August 24 2014 09:58 Xatalos wrote:
Gah do I have to lynch a coinflip just to live
On August 24 2014 09:58 Xatalos wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote IAmRobik
On August 24 2014 09:59 Xatalos wrote:
Better Robik than me
Such reluctance, much waffle, wow.
If it weren't for sheer activity, Xat would be really high on my suspect list. His only strong read was me, and he waffled about with that before voting me because of my post about giving up, which is quite pathetic. Could town Xatalos really have that much confidence in that terrible of a heuristic?
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Most of Xat's posts about Robik mention him as a townread, he even parrots the "he claimed town" thing. Very little interaction between the two, but his townread magically gets stronger from list post to list post while he repeats the same reasoning. Meh. Food for thought.
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Out for now. I think I have a good bearing on this game.
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I think I did a lot of that analysis already.
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I think it's better now, because then we can talk about them.
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Yeah, it suffices to say that I remain entirely unconvinced of Xatalos' towniness. I want other players to read what I dug up in his filter and respond to it.
As for rayn, my impression is that he's a town who has fallen off the deep end. Robik spent a lot of time calling rayn town, something I don't think he would do to a mafia partner. Rayn's behavior is in line with how he was posting in endgame of Neat & Tidy. He's really mad that someone reads him incorrectly that he thinks shouldn't.
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Also, JAT, you aren't that good so you can just buzz off telling me what to do.
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Hapa, what do you make of what I've posted about Xatalos?
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"Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik.
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I kinda like Hapa's SK theory. We do have to lynch the SK, you know.
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Wave thinks Hapa is weird. I'm kind of inclined to agree. People sheep Hapa's cases but honestly he's not pushing them very hard himself. Town Hapa is a leader, and I'm not really getting that vibe from him this game. If Hapa and I were both town, wouldn't he be interacting more with me directly? I ask him a direct question about a player and he doesn't even quote my post. He is seemingly avoiding what I say, and, in fact, his switch off me at the deadline came after I called him 100% mafia. Very odd to say the least.
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As for the claim, I find it rather useless.
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On August 25 2014 12:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
yamato fucking don't go anywhere and talk to me about this
here now, catching up
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