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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 13:07 GMT
#319
My point still stands, he is null.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 13:09 GMT
#324
On August 22 2014 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 21:55 IAmRobik wrote:
On August 22 2014 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 22 2014 19:22 Xatalos wrote:
GB should probably be higher than WOS btw. Just forgot to change the points while editing GB.

Like when you already give high points to your mafia partner before writing things about players?


I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

He's saying you and wos are mafia together and you gave him free town points in your chart because you were just throwing in your teammate, not really caring about where he went as long as he was somewhere at the top of town - as you were already giving a weak reasoning for him being town to begin with

Which is absolutely fucking retarded, by the way. If Xat and I were both scum I can say with absolute certainty there is NO WAY IN HELL I would let him call me top town based on essentially nothing. Hell I don't think Xat would even be so bad as to try that on his own either. Scum NEVER give each other massive townreads like that. It's completely unheard of.

Kinda curious as to why you'd think Xat and I are both scum GB. Is it because we are the only people even slightly under the gun right now and you need to feel useful?


Yeah 100% true. My #1 goal as scum is to make it so that nobody can link me to the remaining scumteam.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 13:13 GMT
#325
On August 22 2014 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if there is nothing scummy why are you concerned about him?


I'm not saying to lynch him today based on nothing concrete. It isn't wrong to be worried because he played almost exactly the same as scum last time at the start.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 13:16 GMT
#329
On August 22 2014 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...it's pre-flip association and /slapwrists NO BAD TERRIBLE
but still
It don't fit.

Xat, why are people calling you scummy right now?


I guess because my early reads are pretty weak / feeling-based. This always happens though so it should stop as the game continues. What do you think actually? You haven't commented really.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 13:20 GMT
#331
On August 22 2014 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 22:13 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if there is nothing scummy why are you concerned about him?


I'm not saying to lynch him today based on nothing concrete. It isn't wrong to be worried because he played almost exactly the same as scum last time at the start.

Yeah, I think we caught you trying to fabricate a read out of nothing.


I'm not fabricating anything. Disagree all you want, those were my actual notes that I didn't even intend to publish at first. Then I decided to post anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 13:25 GMT
#335
Why is jat supertown btw? Enlighten me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:00 GMT
#373
WOS had a 15 page filter in the Championship game as scum... WTF. I guess my townread based on activity/participation was a bit premature. Down 2 points.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:10 GMT
#385
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:11 GMT
#387
On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia?


I think his joking tone earlier fits more as town though. He's usually acting all depressed / unmotivated as scum from what I've seen.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:13 GMT
#394
On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment.

I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more.


What happened >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:16 GMT
#399
WTF jat had a 24 page filter as scum. That's higher than almost any of my towngames even...........
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:19 GMT
#407
Damdred you saw my earlier reply to you? Get back to it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:20 GMT
#410
On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment.

I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more.

Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care.

To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia

Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore.
I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.

Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly.

If that does not happen then my read might change.


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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:24 GMT
#415
On August 22 2014 23:20 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment.

I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more.

Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care.

To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia

Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore.
I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.

Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly.

If that does not happen then my read might change.


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Tbh rayn last game my relatively early scumreads (GB+Oats) were my best reads. And I was right about you being town + yamato being town + Robik being town then. Then it went downhill :/ You gotta trust the feels.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:26 GMT
#417
Well it's rare for me to hit scum until like D2 though. So in that sense you're somewhat right.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:28 GMT
#420
Hmmm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:29 GMT
#421
I don't really have any idea WTF GB is doing lately. He started off so well and now he's making some impossible pre-flip connection cases :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:34 GMT
#427
On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.

I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.

Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?

I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.

You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read


Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing.

I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore.

How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him?

I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then.


If this is the post you responded to me on ok,

I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game.

re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter.

And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though.


I like this post.

##Unvote
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:36 GMT
#428
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 22 2014 14:42 GMT
#431
It's actually pretty funny how this pattern goes. EVERY game I'm town (regardless of rayn's alignment) he pushes me at the beginning of the game. Then he drops it during D1. But when I'm scum (the earlier Titanic game etc.) he never pushes me at least early on. Well in Intrigue he did but I messed up pretty bad there.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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