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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 01:46 GMT
#3195
On August 29 2014 10:45 Damdred wrote:
hap really thought i was mafia XD, mafia could of probably mislynched me day 2 if yamato hadn't of told eeryone who had balls to get on hapa glad i did thats for sure


We would have lynched VA without the Hapa wagon I think.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 01:56 GMT
#3202
On August 29 2014 10:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 10:45 Xatalos wrote:
On August 29 2014 10:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 29 2014 10:33 Xatalos wrote:
ObsQT was SO wrong btw during D2 (about VA/Hapa) :D Well, I was also Cop and jat jailed Hapa so...

I think I made it pretty obvious that I thought Vaynes claim was fishy but you don't lynch him in that situation because the other blue (you) did not claim. And how the hell am I supposed to know that the SK is some OP unblockable monster.




Btw some harsh things were said about me in the ObsQT. I kind of agree, I didn't think through nearly everything I said and just talked about whatever at multiple points in the game (phoneposting / very late at night etc.). You also have to consider that I was Cop though and I actually tried to slightly encourage people suspecting me so that I would be absolutely safe during night. And me wanting to lynch VA is obviously explained by me being the Cop, and we couldn't have known that Hapa was "roleblocked" during the night which was actually only good...

Well, of course it makes sense for you to go after vayne. I am not a fan of people trying to seem scummy because they are a role though (as can probably be seen by my play this game). Hapas towncase on you was absolutely spot on though and I would never have lynched you for it.


Honestly I think you should have played a bit less obvtown as JK You were basically more obvtown than GB+turtle hahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 01:57 GMT
#3203
On August 29 2014 10:55 yamato77 wrote:
I'm so goooooooood

lolol


Only after 30 minutes before D1 deadline
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 02:04 GMT
#3209
My original checks:

N1 VA
N2 WOS

Final actions:

N1 rayn
N2 Damdred

QQ
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 02:10 GMT
#3211
If you liked rayn's approach this game it'll be quite annoying to play with you :D I guess you have the same problem of getting really annoyed when people scumread you. I don't really care too much usually. I always start a bit awkward/scummy as town and then become a universal townread. This game I had my primary objective in using my role though so that never really happened until I claimed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 02:23 GMT
#3214
Town had some luck too but I think it was overall a deserved victory Hapa could have easily won the game I think if he put in some effort D2. WOS definitely played very well though and VA was observant to notice me being a blue (although have more confidence ). But the SK death and me+Damdred getting confirmed sealed the deal.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 02:26:01
August 29 2014 02:25 GMT
#3215
Btw if you decided to roleblock me N2 I think scum stood a good chance of victory since I townread WOS at that point. So too bad :/ I guess I'm kind of happy that my efforts to conceal being a blue paid off though!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 11:13 GMT
#3224
On August 29 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 11:10 Xatalos wrote:
If you liked rayn's approach this game it'll be quite annoying to play with you :D I guess you have the same problem of getting really annoyed when people scumread you. I don't really care too much usually. I always start a bit awkward/scummy as town and then become a universal townread. This game I had my primary objective in using my role though so that never really happened until I claimed.

You said stuff that was just terribly wrong. It has nothing to do with me scumreading you because you are supposed to be better. On D1 you said things i already pointed out. You also said "noone clears their scumbuddies as town EVER!" On N1 you suddenly had a scumread on me for some idk reason... except that me and robik read each other like you had JUST said mafia never does.

On D2 you talked about nothing but SK. I made a post about it in obs QT. You literally said "I think Hapa is SK. Do i think he is SK? No! But let's leave that to later" with 268 words... d00d?!?

Also you should have instantly cc'd Vayne because too many blues. For you Vayne should have been confirmed scum the second he claimed.

I can't help myself calling out stuff that's just plain out stupid and i will push those kinda reads. Like i did with Hapa. Good thing he shot me because i would have probably pushed your lynch on D3 if i was alive and believed Vayne just because you TOTALLY missplayed that situation.


You have to understand that me null/scumreading you D1 even when you play reasonably constructively is more like a form of flattery than insult - because I think you're a good enough scumplayer to fool me at least early on (see: Titanic). Meanwhile you *can* also play pretty obvtown at times (see: Arnie) and then I'll just townread you right away. You also did some stuff like the completely ill-founded push on Damdred that I had huge difficulties seeing town rayn doing such a thing.

My D2 play was mostly influenced by me trying to dodge a NK / roleblock. You have to see it from that perspective. If I was VT, I would have played it very differently. That's also why I tried to confuse the scumteam by not going very hard against VA (even though I was pretty sure that he was scum) and later on Hapa just stopped caring completely which made me feel safer in lynching the SK over VA (reduced KP + removing a possibly Cop immune role). I didn't feel any need to claim since the lynch was between scum/SK anyway. Btw it's still not 100% impossible that there could have been 5 blues since the SK was quite overpowered and the scumteam might have had some OP powers as well. I've played in several games where the blues outnumber anti-town factions (although never by much). It's not unreasonable to assume that there's a slight chance of VA being town.

And results speak for themselves. Even if you think I 100% misplayed during D2, I managed to lynch SK (giving town another free mislynch), clear myself + a mislynch candidate during the night and secure the town victory. I don't think you really can ask for much more.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 11:16 GMT
#3225
I guess I'll have to apologize for siding with Hapa during D1 but your push on me was simply retarded (since I was playing exactly according to my town meta which you should be aware of) and Hapa townread me for exactly the correct reasons, so my judgment was a bit clouded on that one.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 11:24 GMT
#3226
You should also know that being wrong != being scum. Especially being as wrong as I was during early D1
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 13:56 GMT
#3228
And btw my read on you was more like null after D1. I wouldn't have checked you if I had a strong read one way or another.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 13:58 GMT
#3229
On August 29 2014 22:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn just found someone who plays well and insult people, it fits perfectly ;P


lol

(Although I wouldn't call disregarding meta arguments and constantly disrupting constructive discussion as necessary good.. But he clearly did put in a lot of effort.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 16:33 GMT
#3239
On August 29 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
only thing i read when i briefly clicked on this game was obvtown-Kelsier calling obvtown-Xatalos mafia. Clicked about 5 different times and read a page and it's all I ever saw :p


Even rayn scumread me all game though :/ I thought he was good at reading me but apparently not. I guess only you and Hapa can...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 18:42 GMT
#3253
On August 30 2014 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
only thing i read when i briefly clicked on this game was obvtown-Kelsier calling obvtown-Xatalos mafia. Clicked about 5 different times and read a page and it's all I ever saw :p


Even rayn scumread me all game though :/ I thought he was good at reading me but apparently not. I guess only you and Hapa can...

Yeah, ignore the guy who told town several times to not lynch you and fought people over it.


You only came to that conclusion after Hapa's towncase on me though so I can't give you as much credit :/ But rayn *never* came to that conclusion so I'll have to at least give you some credit
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 18:42:37
August 29 2014 18:42 GMT
#3254
On August 30 2014 02:51 marvellosity wrote:
i will prostrate myself before xatalos when he gives me a 35 page filter scumgame


Challenge accepted

Damn I was ninja'd though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 29 2014 18:53 GMT
#3255
Well, honestly I doubt I can live up to the challenge
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 30 2014 11:28 GMT
#3257
On August 30 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 02:50 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 30 2014 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
only thing i read when i briefly clicked on this game was obvtown-Kelsier calling obvtown-Xatalos mafia. Clicked about 5 different times and read a page and it's all I ever saw :p


Even rayn scumread me all game though :/ I thought he was good at reading me but apparently not. I guess only you and Hapa can...


Given Rayn's play this game, you probably shouldn't take too much heed to his advice :3

What was wrong with my play? I voted for the best lynch target on D1 then i died.


I also voted for scum/SK every day so there was nothing wrong with my play? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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