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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:43 GMT
#2948
Btw I'm a bit sad that Damdred figured out that I was blue so easily. I'm glad he wasn't scum/SK.

(Oh yeah... How did you exactly come to the conclusion that I was a Cop specifically? Since you said that you wanted to force me to check you or something.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:44 GMT
#2950
On August 28 2014 10:43 KelsierSC wrote:
but he just looks super fucking scummy today, and he potentially outs the real PR, I just hate it as VT play which makes me think he isn't VT


Unfortunately it's completely in line with his usual VT play :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:47 GMT
#2953
On August 28 2014 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 10:44 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:43 KelsierSC wrote:
but he just looks super fucking scummy today, and he potentially outs the real PR, I just hate it as VT play which makes me think he isn't VT


Unfortunately it's completely in line with his usual VT play :/


really

So just play like shit and get a free pass.

Done with this


That's the problem with playing well I guess. If you play dumb as town, nobody will ever expect anything from you as scum.

With that said I don't think it's completely impossible for VA to be scum. Just that it seems a bit unlikely with WOS gunning so hard for him during D2 and now you too. This isn't really the time to bus for scum so it's hard to imagine him as a member of any scumteam.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#2956
On August 28 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:44 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:43 KelsierSC wrote:
but he just looks super fucking scummy today, and he potentially outs the real PR, I just hate it as VT play which makes me think he isn't VT


Unfortunately it's completely in line with his usual VT play :/


really

So just play like shit and get a free pass.

Done with this

WELCOME TO TL MAFIA LOLOLOL

I used to rage against this all the time
Took me like a year to get over it


My worst experience was probably when I was used to gumshoe just lurking and randomly voting as town. One game he decided to apply that same strategy as scum and I had a hard time seeing him as scum. Well, he got lynched anyway so all's well that ends well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:51 GMT
#2958
On August 28 2014 10:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 10:47 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:44 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:43 KelsierSC wrote:
but he just looks super fucking scummy today, and he potentially outs the real PR, I just hate it as VT play which makes me think he isn't VT


Unfortunately it's completely in line with his usual VT play :/


really

So just play like shit and get a free pass.

Done with this


That's the problem with playing well I guess. If you play dumb as town, nobody will ever expect anything from you as scum.

With that said I don't think it's completely impossible for VA to be scum. Just that it seems a bit unlikely with WOS gunning so hard for him during D2 and now you too. This isn't really the time to bus for scum so it's hard to imagine him as a member of any scumteam.


I just don't even anymore.

Look at his fucking play and explain how that is town.



I can see some town motivation in his fakeclaim (trying to eat a bullet / roleblock) and since basically everyone non-confirmed wants to lynch him right now, I have extreme difficulties seeing him as scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:53 GMT
#2961
On August 28 2014 10:51 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 28 2014 10:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
alternatively I ate a roleblock but I hvae no way of confirming that so just stupid speculation. Game isnt won yet considering mafia could have a vig or something so dont just coast we have to get the right lynch here

you could have eaten a roleblock but you claimed a check?

##Vote VayneAuthority


Read the thread. VA unclaimed JOAT before deadline.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:56 GMT
#2964
On August 28 2014 10:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 10:51 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:47 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:44 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:43 KelsierSC wrote:
but he just looks super fucking scummy today, and he potentially outs the real PR, I just hate it as VT play which makes me think he isn't VT


Unfortunately it's completely in line with his usual VT play :/


really

So just play like shit and get a free pass.

Done with this


That's the problem with playing well I guess. If you play dumb as town, nobody will ever expect anything from you as scum.

With that said I don't think it's completely impossible for VA to be scum. Just that it seems a bit unlikely with WOS gunning so hard for him during D2 and now you too. This isn't really the time to bus for scum so it's hard to imagine him as a member of any scumteam.


I just don't even anymore.

Look at his fucking play and explain how that is town.



I can see some town motivation in his fakeclaim (trying to eat a bullet / roleblock) and since basically everyone non-confirmed wants to lynch him right now, I have extreme difficulties seeing him as scum.


ok i have explained this before, how is his play town motivated at all because he likely outs the real cop, he looks super fucking scummy today, all it helped him do was survive to another day.


I don't know what goes through VA's mind. Maybe he just didn't really consider the risk of outing another blue role? And thought it was a good idea to "sacrifice" himself?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 01:57 GMT
#2966
On August 28 2014 10:55 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 10:53 Xatalos wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:51 yamato77 wrote:
On August 28 2014 10:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
alternatively I ate a roleblock but I hvae no way of confirming that so just stupid speculation. Game isnt won yet considering mafia could have a vig or something so dont just coast we have to get the right lynch here

you could have eaten a roleblock but you claimed a check?

##Vote VayneAuthority


Read the thread. VA unclaimed JOAT before deadline.

unclaimed

more like lied

and then lied again

to cover why he he didn't die

with a fucking cop check


Maybe he was just roleblocked / WIFOM left alive as a mislynch.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 02:01 GMT
#2970
In any case the confirmed town are pretty much me, Damdred and turtlevine. Scum will certainly shoot into us tonight (most likely me, unless they decide just to roleblock). We have one mislynch so we can lynch 3 out of VA/KSC/WOS/yamato. The only way for scum to win is to lynch the 2 townies in this group of 4 before getting lynched themselves. There's no room to bus, that would make it extremely hard to push 2 mislynches alone. So I can't really see VA being scum with all the other non-confirmed players (WOS, KSC, yamato) pushing for him. I think 2 scum + 1 one misguided townie (yamato?) are pushing for him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 02:03 GMT
#2971
Anyways I really need to go sleep now. I'll think about the situation again tomorrow. In the meanwhile, I'd like turtlevine's opinion as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 02:06 GMT
#2973
On August 28 2014 11:03 yamato77 wrote:
I'm suddenly in the lynch pool

Xata, you are the worst cop in history.


I think I did pretty well avoiding NK's and roleblocks, giving town a major advantage with 2 confirmed town in this situation and voting for scum/SK every day. I still don't think you're scum but everything needs to be considered. Now I'm off to sleep.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 10:59 GMT
#3039
Here's my updated view on the state of game:

turtlevine is modconfirmed town. Me and Damdred are modconfirmed town unless someone counterclaims me (and that would have happened already).

Damdred has also felt exceptionally townish in the recent pages and I'm slightly bitter about that - I had already slightly townread him based on his persistent questions that reminded me of Arnie, and if he had posted yesterday like today, I would have certainly checked WOS/KSC instead. Shame on you Damdred

Yamato looks even more town after the recent pages. He's bold, confident and puts in actual effort, just like town yamato. I have no idea what happened to him during D1 but clearly he's changed for the better. As scum he would most likely just lurk more and more instead. 98% town.

So that just leaves us with VA/KSC/WOS and probably a quaranteed victory. BUT there's always a chance that the scumteam has additional KP or something else crazy that forces us to lynch correctly today. It would really feel bad to lose after lynching correctly every day until now, so we should still take this lynch seriously (looking at you WOS).

I think there's a chance for each of these players to be scum, but in fact the highest chance belongs to KelsierSC right now. Let me explain why:

1) GB's last efforts were to get KSC lynched. Scum KSC absolutely couldn't afford a confirmed townie that was after him to live. This isn't conclusive evidence, since killing a confirmed townie is never exactly bad for scum, but it just makes the most sense for scum KSC to kill GB. Similarly to how it made the most sense for SK Hapa to kill rayn.

2) I explained earlier how scum's primary objective right now should be to mislynch yamato (since otherwise they couldn't win without having an additional bullet or something like that). The only one that has been pushing this agenda is... KSC.

3) Earlier I thought that KSC's hard stances made him more townish. In hindsight, I think I've been mistaken. I think KSC's stances have been TOO hard. He's basically a materialization of confirmation bias - never accepting logic that doesn't fit with his current reads, and pushing his current reads like a madman without accepting counter-arguments. Then again, he tends to make HUGE shifts of opinion very easily. There's no evolution of reads; just a huge pre-planned tunnel for each day that fits his agenda. This isn't a townie playstyle after all.

4) His entrance to the game (and overall playstyle to some extent) has felt forced. He's not naturally engaging with the thread, but rather doing his utmost to look like he's "doing something" and pushing a Mafia agenda (spreading suspicion on me or other townies).

5) He didn't vote for Robik. He voted for ME instead. Enough said.

6) Connections! I think it's fairly obvious that VA is either VT or scum being bussed hard. I'm not sure which theory is more likely, but one thing is certain: KSC is scum in both cases. He would fit in the WOS/KSC team pushing for a mislynch on VA. He would also fit in the VA/KSC team where KSC is trying to get enough credibility pushing VA to mislynch yamato+WOS in the following days. WOS would only fit on the KSC/WOS team since WOS has been pushing VA for the longest time and he doesn't really appear to be pushing any agenda today (if he feels like the game is over and is scum with VA, he would just concede already).

7) He has been discrediting confirmed townies (GB, turtle, me, Damdred) CONSTANTLY. I mean pretty much most of his filter is devoted to that. There's absolutely no townie motivation for this whatsoever - a townie reaction would be to ignore or even advice a confirmed townie if he's on the wrong path. Discrediting confirmed townies only achieves scum objectives: confusion, distrust and infighting among the town. It's simply counterproductive for creating a town circle to try and make people ignore the confirmed members in it. As town you wouldn't waste your time on something that useless.

I don't think my vote will be moving today.

##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:04 GMT
#3040
On August 28 2014 18:42 turtlevine wrote:
I don't care what GB wants any more. Guys. Bros. We're lynching KSC today, because of this irrefutable case on him. It's undeniable, and is totally convincing. Here it is:

If we lynch KelsierSC, he will stop posting in this thread. We will no longer have to read his posts.

##unvote
##vote KelsierSC



Great minds think alike
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#3042
Now this is what we call a pure town wagon

Heh, maybe. You didn't really help with your random suspicions of me either though.

Btw could you explain that thing about forcing me to Cop check you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:39 GMT
#3044
I hope I won't roll blue in a game where you roll scum then Since I tried my everything to conceal being a blue and you still managed to figure out even the exact role haha

Damdred, the bluehunter extraordinaire has been born.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:42 GMT
#3046
There's also another bluetell from me that you didn't notice yet. I don't think it would be a good idea to reveal it though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:47 GMT
#3051
LOL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:48 GMT
#3053
Why were you so resistant to lynching VA then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:48 GMT
#3055
Haha ok....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 11:49 GMT
#3056
On August 28 2014 20:48 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 20:48 Xatalos wrote:
Why were you so resistant to lynching VA then?


my vote is on him wtf


I thought you claimed blue.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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