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On August 26 2014 20:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Xata in my mind mafia fake claim just says he checked rayn. That was a perfectly reasonable person to check in the night,
I guess that would make sense. Hm.
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On August 26 2014 20:46 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Xata in my mind mafia fake claim just says he checked rayn. That was a perfectly reasonable person to check in the night, I guess that would make sense. Hm.
It really is a bit weird not to claim that as scum.
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Well, there's still time until the lynch. I really hope Onegu comes back soon.
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Yeah it's possible that it's legit. It's a good point that he could have claimed something more sensible like checking rayn instead. Maybe we should just lynch Onegu and wait a bit more with VA.
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I don't think it's "obvious" that KSC is town but surely he's been more engaged in trying to figure out the game (even if all his methods aren't that good) than most people. Even though he didn't vote for Robik I really see no reason to lynch him today over VA/Onegu.
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Even Damdred would be better than KSC I think.
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On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
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There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today. firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed
Btw you should fix this.
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On August 26 2014 22:36 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:33 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
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I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today. firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed Btw you should fix this. Xat old games to me are very important if I am part of them, because then I have a sense of how the game went and the timings of posts etc. just going to a completed game cold doesn't really help as I was not part of the game,If I know in a game that someone was mafia then I look at all of the posts with that clouding my judgement. Furthermore some of my reads come from how people interact with me specifically.
I can kind of understand that but you shouldn't still 100% disregard past games. Major trends and such tend to be easily seen even as an outsider.
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On August 26 2014 22:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:38 Damdred wrote:
Then how do you try to figure out Oneg?
I looked at his old town games and mafia games to better understand activity levels (even though wave said it was useless) Oneg gave a BW read on rayn when the pressure was on rayn. rayn was town. He then disappeared at a time when town was going down the wrong path, (think town was looking at rayn or yam) He wasn't there for deadline and hasn't posted anything at all. Super scummy.
Actually the lynch was between at me/yamato so that's the "wrong path" 
But yeah Onegu doesn't look good either way.
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On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:
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He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched
It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. ![[image loading]](http://37.media.tumblr.com/e4f28f57c44b2aca4f5dc2313a27045e/tumblr_miyx1jSmEv1qcakl4o1_400.gif) What explanation I didn't see that at all I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you.
Btw wouldn't KSC kill you since you "scumread" him at night? Well it's all WIFOM...
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This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.
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On August 24 2014 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 21:41 Damdred wrote:
Xata you listed three people to lynch. since you are trying to give cases this game why those three with scummu reasons/posts please It isn't that complicated really. These people are town: GB, Hapa, turtle These are very likely town: yamato, xatalos I think Kelsier is also town. Leaves us with a pool of: damdred, WoS, Vayne, Rayn, Onegu which includes at least 2 scum and maybe a SK for the lynch day2.
jat might have been killed just because he was such a universal townread. I think he must have been at least somewhat on the right track as well though. If he was really off with his reads, not a lot of reason to kill him. And these are his reads.
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On August 22 2014 20:36 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 20:33 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 20:31 IAmRobik wrote:On August 22 2014 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
It doesn't seem very Robik'ish to downplay your own reads. Well apparently it is because I'm town. Great. This game is so easy since everyone is always telling the truth. I have not seen anyone blatantly lie yet. I think that happens later. Having said that, I am town and thus I have no reason to lie about anything.
Btw LOL at this post :D
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On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.
Now you know how I feel, no?
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On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.
I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum.
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On August 26 2014 23:27 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no? you haven't countered any of my points against you.
I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly.
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On August 26 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum. His entrance fits SK motivation and there is no "too mafia to be mafia" anymore for me. He gave his reasonings on why he is not scum, I am evaluating it already. Now give me a better lynch today
I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice.
I think it'd be difficult for KSC to maintain this level of effort / care for the lynch choices throughout the game as SK.
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Then again, it feels like Onegu might just be modkilled at this rate.
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On August 27 2014 00:05 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:27 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no? you haven't countered any of my points against you. I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly. "I made lots of posts" sick counter argument. I'm not going to rehash here but you best have something better after this day phase.
You have yet much to learn, young padawan. One day you will see the light and realize I'm town. Until then it's fine if you just accept that I'm not to be lynched today.
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