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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 18:28 GMT
#1309
I think I answered your latest post Damdred.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 18:32 GMT
#1312
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.

Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 18:40 GMT
#1314
On August 24 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote:
I disagree strongly Xatalos, if I understand the context of the thread Yamato was 100% being allowed to lurk with no pressure put on him. Thats how he scums and Rayn brought attention we just didn't talk about it. It's not begging at all.

Also I don't read the Oneg case the same at all I think it is lacking 100% he showed two quotes maybe three at most....from an 11 page filter? And you think thats a good case and is sheepable?


@Xata


1) Well maybe "begging" is an exaggerated word. Still the fact remains that he only casually mentioned it and didn't seem like it led to anything. No follow-up at all, no effect on the discussion. He just totally dropped it. Why even post it at all? Later on he didn't even talk about yamato for a long time (from my memory at least).

2) I wouldn't say the "I never do this as scum" point makes rayn scum by itself. It's just a bonus thing. However, I think it was more important how Onegu explained that town rayn strongly believes in everything he does whereas scum rayn does not - and how rayn's plays that lacked conviction (specifically the yamato posts but also the case on you) pointed to scum. That I think is already a worthy reason to vote for him. And then there's a lot of other reasons.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 18:42 GMT
#1315
Yeah please catch up quickly Onegu. Not much time left.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 19:25 GMT
#1344
On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.

Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression.

Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this.
Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is?

Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they?

Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough.


He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on.

Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 19:28 GMT
#1349
On August 24 2014 04:27 yamato77 wrote:
I'm still the best lynch in Hapa's eyes?

Maybe we do just lynch him.


Could you try to do something to change that instead of complaining?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 19:30 GMT
#1356
On August 24 2014 04:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.

Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression.

Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this.
Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is?

Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they?

Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough.


He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on.

Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise.


If you are now unsure of Hapa you have to be unsure of rayn because of how hard Hapa went at him.

Also you need to respond to JAT's point, why do you not have an issue with WoS's question?


Well, WOS is pushing yamato so it's different. It's not really scummy to ask others opinions of your scumreads while pushing them, is it?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 19:31 GMT
#1358
On August 24 2014 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 04:16 KelsierSC wrote:
I am happy to vote on yamata but I want to hear reads form Onegu as I don't want him to skate by with what I consider a pretty poor read on rayn that coincided with a lot of people scum reading rayn.


I don't think Onegu's mafia in this one. He came into the game late, but the fact that he goes after Rayn first (of all people) seems pretty reckless for mafia. And I think my interaction with Rayn is a good example of what happens.

Secondly, these two posts:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?


He's the first person to question the claim, which strikes me as very townie. Clean, well-accepted claims are generally "off limits" to attack by mafia (in fear of drawing negative attention), but Onegu doesn't follow any of that.


Yeah I like this.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 19:32 GMT
#1362
On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.

Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression.

Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this.
Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is?

Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they?

Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough.


He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on.

Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise.


The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss


Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:19 GMT
#1427
On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours

au revoir


On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.


Sounds like scum yamato :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:20 GMT
#1430
On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:
On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.

Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression.

Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this.
Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is?

Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they?

Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough.


He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on.

Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise.


The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss


Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues.


But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point?


I don't necessarily think yamato is town anymore. Especially after he just gave up like earlier as scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:22 GMT
#1432
On August 24 2014 04:39 KelsierSC wrote:
Xat how are you still sure rayn is scum if you are now unsure that Hap is town.

you are still dodging that


What? I haven't removed my townread of Hapa. I just said that I'll have to revisit him if turtlevine thinks he's scum. Besides it's too early to pre-flip speculate.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:30 GMT
#1438
Ok now I want to lynch yamato. His deadline behavior is exactly what he did as scum in the PYP game - totally disinterested and giving up at some sense of pressure.

##Unvote
##Vote yamato77
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:31 GMT
#1439
It's practically exactly the same. Whereas as town he was very interested close to the lynch on Vendetta Strada.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:34 GMT
#1442
I really can't see town yamato posting what he did there.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:43 GMT
#1446
On August 24 2014 06:19 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours

au revoir


Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.


Sounds like scum yamato :/


Compare these reactions to pressure close to deadline on D1... One is scum, one is this game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:50 GMT
#1449
On August 24 2014 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 06:43 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 06:19 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours

au revoir


On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.


Sounds like scum yamato :/


Compare these reactions to pressure close to deadline on D1... One is scum, one is this game.

Yes, fairly tempted to lynch yamato.


Gogo. I'm pretty sure he's scum after that. As town he ALWAYS fights to the end at deadline if pressured. As scum he just can't bother.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:51 GMT
#1450
Well, from my experience at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 21:53 GMT
#1452
On August 24 2014 06:52 turtlevine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 24 2014 06:24 turtlevine wrote:
there's once was a player named jat
who generally acted like a total asshat
when playing this game
he makes the experience lame
I'm tempted to vote him to stop that


Thanks for asking him to "stop that"
But it matters not if he is an asshat
You seem to know him
And given his filter a skim
So what is the alignment of Jat?


Jat's conversations and great and many
especially with the dying hapahauli
if he were cred-seeking scum
he wouldn't be such a chum
to someone we'd so soon bury

It's possible about him I'm wrong
and he's surely and enormous dong
but today we should focus
on hapa and xatalos
on whom the cases are much more strong


What about yamato? He just practically claimed scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 22:00 GMT
#1454
On August 24 2014 06:57 turtlevine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 06:53 Xatalos wrote:
On August 24 2014 06:52 turtlevine wrote:
On August 24 2014 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 24 2014 06:24 turtlevine wrote:
there's once was a player named jat
who generally acted like a total asshat
when playing this game
he makes the experience lame
I'm tempted to vote him to stop that


Thanks for asking him to "stop that"
But it matters not if he is an asshat
You seem to know him
And given his filter a skim
So what is the alignment of Jat?


Jat's conversations and great and many
especially with the dying hapahauli
if he were cred-seeking scum
he wouldn't be such a chum
to someone we'd so soon bury

It's possible about him I'm wrong
and he's surely and enormous dong
but today we should focus
on hapa and xatalos
on whom the cases are much more strong


What about yamato? He just practically claimed scum.


where


Check my post on this page.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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