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On August 27 2014 01:55 Xatalos wrote: I already said that it was stupid to include your name there, WOS, so dunno why you would bring it up again. I didn't bring it up from your recent post, those ones were from earlier---but I digress. Xat did you read the stuff I wrote on VA? You don't find it compelling enough to lynch him? What if Onegu gets modkilled?
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On August 27 2014 01:59 Xatalos wrote: Yeah it's possible that Onegu will just get modkilled. I'll keep my vote on him for now though to encourage him returning to the thread. He could be just scum/SK lurking and returning to vote close to deadline.
Hapa's absence is a bit disturbing (just parking his vote on VA, his weakest(?) scumread, and not really playing after that). Still not enough to lynch him today. Solid. I think if Onegu is going to get modkilled then he will, btw, rather than pull some last-second shenannies. Only person I've ever seen do that is gumshoe.
As for Hapa, yes I am as well particularly disturbed by his lack of thread presence actually. There is something I'm looking out for however and there's still a few hours left.
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Oh actually you didn't answer me regarding VA, Xat. I'd like all the people who think his claim makes sense in ANY way to revisit what I've said as well. Especially GB who is for all intents and purposes throwing his vote away right now.
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'Too scummy to be scum' does not work. Both of you.
Like, for shit's sake you even say yourself turtle that the scum motivation is more likely than the town, and instead you sheep GB for his terrible reasons?
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On August 27 2014 02:21 turtlevine wrote: Our goal isn't to punish bad behavior or lynch people for making bad plays. Our goal is to lynch scum. You can say "this guy's play is bad and we should punish him for it", but that's not what we're trying to do here. Policy lynching is stupid. People like saying 'Too scummy to be scum'.
People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me.
"Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him.
People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly.
I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game.
Don't play that game. Play this one.
Lynch KSC. And now I know for sure you're not reading the game at all. How in the fuck do you get from my posting on VA that I'm policy lynching him for being stupid? WHY SHOULD WE BE LYNCHING KSC? Do you even KNOW your partner's reasons? Done with you.
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On August 27 2014 02:28 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2014 02:21 turtlevine wrote: Our goal isn't to punish bad behavior or lynch people for making bad plays. Our goal is to lynch scum. You can say "this guy's play is bad and we should punish him for it", but that's not what we're trying to do here. Policy lynching is stupid. People like saying 'Too scummy to be scum'.
People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me.
"Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him.
People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly.
I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game.
Don't play that game. Play this one.
Lynch KSC. And now I know for sure you're not reading the game at all. How in the fuck do you get from my posting on VA that I'm policy lynching him for being stupid? WHY SHOULD WE BE LYNCHING KSC? Do you even KNOW your partner's reasons? Done with you. I'm saying that you're claiming to be lynching VA for good reasons, but you're mostly doing it because 1) youre KSC's scumbuddy (this is one prevailing theory in the mason qt), or 2) you're too tied up by your show of logical thinking to realize that VA is town. You can apologize to me after KSC flips scum. So of all of the people in the thread, you've picked me and KSC as top two scum choices. lol G fucking G can't even begin to deal with this level of stupid.
Like...you're essentially ignoring everything everyone has said, screaming KSC is scum, expecting people to follow you FOR NO REASON and most importantly, CALLING ME SCUM FOR ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME WHEN YOU'RE NOT.
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Please. Please somebody else come into the thread right now and tell me I'm not fucking crazy
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No, because you're ignoring all of the evidence brought forth in thread for a no-reason gutread, which is even worse because YOU'RE NOT READING THE THREAD.
It's like if I replaced into a game on D3, only knowing that I was town, wrote a bunch of names on paper and threw darts at them and said 'HERE SCUM HURR DURR'
Like why the fuck should I or anyone else listen to you? Simply because you're town? lol maybe you can get KSC to lynch himself that way because the heuristic seems to work for him.
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You give me a compelling reason to vite KSC, MORE COMPELLING than everything I've brought on VA and obviously I'll consider, you know, as normal fucking players do. I can guarantee you there is not a fucking Hoth beast's chance in hell that KSC is getting lynched today this way.
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What Onegu tunnel? Has this entire game gone fucking crazy? Why are there so many people in this game basing so much on unflipped association?
Like I'm trying to see a world in which I'm super tunneled on VA for shit reasons and/or disrupting the thread but there's still been no compelling reason I can find in thread not to be voting him right now, AND YET NOBODY IS. SO many people just going 'um well, he COULD be scum...butidrathervotethisotherguyoverhere.'
I'll be back later, and again unless someone can find me a REALLY good fucking reason not to vote VA, I will be pushing him at deadline. I don't feel like lynching into a modkill ultimately, and Hapa is super risky.
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On August 27 2014 07:48 Xatalos wrote: I think that analysis makes you more town again though. Trying to figure out the game is +++ I'm particularly interested in what the masons have to say about his analysis.
Anyway, what a shocker---it's between the three I said and we haven't made any progress. It's time to make up your minds about what kind of a lynch you want tonight, ladies.
And yamato, spamming caps and saying 100% Lolol doesn't do shit for me. I'm sick of the '100%' guarantee because it's completely meaningless.
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On August 27 2014 07:55 turtlevine wrote: If Onegu makes a last-minute return to thread to avoid getting modkilled, I vow to vote him on the spot and prevent him from living out this day. Actually planned on posting this and forgot
And I don't think I will ever seen Vayne lurk to a modkill?
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On August 27 2014 08:42 Xatalos wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Hapahauli
He hasn't really cared about what's happened today and I'm pretty sure yamato is town so I think I'd be willing to risk this. This except for the 'willing to risk' part. I still can't believe nobody is seeing VA's claim for exactly what it is combined with the rest of his play.
yamato what happens when/if hapa comes back and fights this?
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I'm actually very slightly uneasy now that VA is where Hapa chose to park his vote especially if he never comes back. BUT I WILL STAY THE COURSE
A VOTE FOR VA IS A VOTE FOR SCUM
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On August 27 2014 08:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 08:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm actually very slightly uneasy now that VA is where Hapa chose to park his vote especially if he never comes back. BUT I WILL STAY THE COURSE
A VOTE FOR VA IS A VOTE FOR SCUM
VA is town for me for the rest of the game Claimed at a point he had no reason to He had easier ways to out "I just checked rayn he was suspect." no CC. at this point with almost no one thinking VA is scum anymore if there is no counter claim he has to be real. I actually forgot about the cc. At this point I almost want to suggest a blueclaim but alive blue > dead one, and waiting to cc this late would be terrible. FUCK THIS I WANT TO BE RIGHT
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On August 27 2014 08:59 KelsierSC wrote: WoS, would you say my analysis on VA is incorrect. and that it is better for the real PR not to CC today but just vote on VA. I would say there are certain things I didn't want to talk about in thread for reasons, but I have been considering them all along. And no, this is not me claiming.
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On August 27 2014 09:01 turtlevine wrote: Hey, looks like everyone finally agrees with me about not voting VA! If I end up agreeing, first of all it would be because of the half of your duo actually putting in the work, not you. Second of all if Hapa flips SK I demand credit no matter where my vote ends up.
Those are my terms and I accept no substitutes.
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On August 27 2014 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 09:04 KelsierSC wrote: ##Unvote
I will vote again I just want to hear what Hapa has to say. You should call him in the mafia qt Wait...do you think Hapa is mafia and not SK?
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On August 27 2014 09:08 GlowingBear wrote: I was kidding. Bad timing.
I'm not trying to say who is mafia and who is SK, I'm just trying to lynch scum (lato sensu) based on scumread k
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GB, (since apparently you've somehow become vox vocis in this game) can we please lynch VA tomorrow when he magically 'fucks up' his role usage again tonight?
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