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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 01:25 GMT
#2078
##Vote VayneAuthority

Nice warm place to park my vote for the night.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 02:02 GMT
#2085
On August 25 2014 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
ill get this out of the way and claim then since it will make the game considerably easier imo.

im a jack of all trades, have the option to cop check, roleblock, or watch some one. Can only use 2 of the three.

Last night I RB'ed damdred so he cant be the SK, but could be the mafia that didnt turn in the kill. Will probably use my cop check tomorrow on some one else but I dont think it will matter


Why on earth wouldn't you use your cop check first?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 02:12 GMT
#2091
On August 25 2014 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
you guys really think using cop was the best one available wtf? only reason i even considered it is because godfather is dead. otherwise i would use watcher


Watcher would have been great too. You literally picked the most useless night action out of your toolkit.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 18:36 GMT
#2223
On August 25 2014 23:28 yamato77 wrote:
If we want a "safe" lynch, I'd rather go for Onegu, but if any of you have balls, we should get a wagon rolling on Hapa.

##Vote: Hapahauli


lol
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 18:45 GMT
#2225
Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia.

We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia.

Discuss.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 18:58 GMT
#2235
Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it.

For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself.

I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:07 GMT
#2241
On August 26 2014 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it.

For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself.

I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations.

Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says.
What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred?
Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown?
Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them?

I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies.

As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play.


You still haven't answered my question.
Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense?

I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:10 GMT
#2242
Like honestly, if I was SK, I would probably kill off the entire mafia team as fast as I could and let town WIFOM itself down to oblivion trying to find me with a perfect town alibi.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:12 GMT
#2244
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote:
The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish.


So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia.

Like. Really?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:13 GMT
#2245
I swear to god this SK role is like fucking designed to make people paranoid of me.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:16 GMT
#2249
On August 26 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Like honestly, if I was SK, I would probably kill off the entire mafia team as fast as I could and let town WIFOM itself down to oblivion trying to find me with a perfect town alibi.

Such WIFOM, many lies. Why wouldn't you just kill people dangerous to your survival like rayn?

Honestly, who else would kill rayn?


He claimed cop. I'd assume a lot of people would justify killing him over that.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:16 GMT
#2250
On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote:
The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish.


So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia.

Like. Really?

If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad.


Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:18 GMT
#2252
This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1.

Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him.

We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:19 GMT
#2253
On August 26 2014 04:17 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Like honestly, if I was SK, I would probably kill off the entire mafia team as fast as I could and let town WIFOM itself down to oblivion trying to find me with a perfect town alibi.

Such WIFOM, many lies. Why wouldn't you just kill people dangerous to your survival like rayn?

Honestly, who else would kill rayn?


He claimed cop. I'd assume a lot of people would justify killing him over that.

I don't think anyone took that seriously unless they were paranoid of rayn checking them, and who fits that bill?


I've played a lot of games with Rayn. Do you think I'd be paranoid of Rayn checking me? Or even believe that he was cop?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:20 GMT
#2256
On August 26 2014 04:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote:
The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish.


So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia.

Like. Really?

If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad.


Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games?

Why would you switch if not for that reason? Surely your read on Robik wasn't strong, was it? Or were you just trying to blend in?


What do you mean? Read Xatalos as town, read you as town. Therefore, better chance of literally anyone else being mafia.

You've seen me do many of these last-minute lynches before. Are you this dense?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:20 GMT
#2257
On August 26 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:
This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1.

Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him.

We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia.

Finding SK D2 is both possible and a good play. We know who he shot and if we kill him we halve anti - town KP.


Ok you've gone off the NK WIFOM deep-end.

Yeah I'm done with this.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:23 GMT
#2262
On August 26 2014 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it.

For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself.

I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations.

Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says.
What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred?
Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown?
Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them?

I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies.

As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play.


You still haven't answered my question.
Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense?

I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1.

Maybe you're right and you would play completely normally and make sense, except then of course scum would have you as a primary target, which I believe I already pointed out.

Want to answer my questions? If you're not playing completely normally and not making sense as you say yourself, then why, if you're town?


Sadly my ego won't let me make an argument for why it's logical for me to play badly after not playing a serious game for 6 months.

Or maybe I just did.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:25 GMT
#2264
On August 26 2014 04:22 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:
This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1.

Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him.

We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia.

Finding SK D2 is both possible and a good play. We know who he shot and if we kill him we halve anti - town KP.


Ok you've gone off the NK WIFOM deep-end.

Yeah I'm done with this.

You think mafia killed rayn? Funniest joke yet.


Uh no? I think the SK killed Rayn. Just you're creating a narrative of the SK night kill that "makes sense" to you, but you should have played enough games by now to realize that people get shot for any number of retarded nonsensical reasons that you don't think of.

And then I get stuck here defending myself against a narrative that you're already biased to believe.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:27 GMT
#2266
On August 26 2014 04:23 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:19 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote:
The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish.


So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia.

Like. Really?

If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad.


Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games?

Why would you switch if not for that reason? Surely your read on Robik wasn't strong, was it? Or were you just trying to blend in?


What do you mean? Read Xatalos as town, read you as town. Therefore, better chance of literally anyone else being mafia.

You've seen me do many of these last-minute lynches before. Are you this dense?

Yes, and generally you are the one leading them, but you weren't this time.


In Shadow I didn't lead anything. There are many games I haven't. Again, deifying my town play. Flattering, but not true.

Also, have you even read the lynch?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=85#1686

I'd argue that this post kicks it off. It's not like switching off you was a thing until I considered it.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:29 GMT
#2267
On August 26 2014 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually the best narrative of the SK NK was GB's analysis because as far as I know, he doesn't think it's you.
The thing is, GB's analysis can fit with ours as well.

Can you come up with another narrative to add on to his?


I really don't care about the SK right now. Finding mafia is the priority. Then you find the SK when his objective is no longer to find mafia.

Again, is there something else we should be doing right now?


See: above
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