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Daydreamarine
Nothing to say about him.
We could use a replacement really.
Superbia
Most of my issues with him have been explained in my huge post.
I feel like he did a HUGE blunder by mentioning any soft claims to everyone.
His replies are cheeky, he does not read enough into people(he thinks he does) and he loves to argue a lot, and focuses on the wrong things (and boy does he focus).
I overall I read him as scum for now, but I do want to see how his game will continue, so in other words - I am willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong.
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gobbledydook
This is my biggest scumread .
Does not indulge in any chatter at all. Does not give any input, until he just appears to instantly vote.
Only gives his thoughts on 1 person in the entire game.
Reasoning for voting for me:
1) being defensive (he himself does not even post anything to have any shots fired at him by anybody, plus why is defensiveness a scum tell?)
2) vague general reads, which are pointless ( has given 0 reads himself )
3) for being scum. (what..?)
calls meatpudding scum because he agrees with my point of view. says meatpuddings views seem made up, while in actuality meatpudding gives one of the most best inputs in this entire thread.
says lilwade makes no sense in his posts, while making absolutely no sense himself.
Does not address ANYONE else, gives no positive input about anyone. Quite sure he did not even read anything except Superbia's post.
## vote: gobbledydook
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"You need to back up your fucking circles man"
"I just feel like there's barely any town content."
I honestly do not know what game you are playing, and what posts you are reading.
I backed up every single of my town reads with seperate posts.
Also i find it funny, that you are allowed to "get things going" with your huge post, yet when I do it with my questions before you, you fail to see this as the same thing, while many others have acknowledged this.
I honestly have nothing more to say. This post of yours(though still mega) seems a little more grown up, but you still tend to fixate on a part of what is said.
You do not have a case on me. You think you do, but you don't, Out of everything you said about me, there is nothing that actually IS scummy. I have, at this point, posted much more townie content than pretty much anyone here, and you fail to see it or admit it, then there is really only one explanation for this in my mind.
P.S. And the fact that you think that being a newbie is a garbage excuse, you should stop playing in newbie games if you think that is true, and you should be ready to hit it with the big guys.
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My god, how many pages during the night.. 
Horribad timezone is horribad..
Will catch up during today..
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First off, I will not be around ever for the end of the day. I have mentioned it before the game even started.
Timezones are horrible for this game, the end of the day is at 4am for me and I can't afford being up at that time, considering I have work and I can't have an alarm going off to wake me up an hour before to catch up with 10+ pages of text, while waking up an angry girlfriend next to me..
Which brings me to this -
@Mod, is it possible to maybe change the time when day starts/ends? We have a lot of europeans here.. Me, Superbia, Jenny, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Mihzaaa (honestly, how did the timezone vote even go in favor of this time?).. Pretty much everyone who had a good timezone for this (US, Australia) failed to even make an appearance at the end of day1, and even so - they are vastly outnumbered in this game..(Plus one of them got lynched just now)
If not - maybe we can make an arrangement between ourselves, that we do the huge discussion part at a more acceptable time, when more people can participate? Some 4-6 hours before the deadline?
Now then - catchup post.
Jenny-
First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club 
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
"Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too.
I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade:
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote:
lilwade
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? :
On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote:Show nested quote +My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him?
Jenny is town for me, following her active defense of gobbely, who flipped town, there is absolutely no way in hell anyone should be reading her as scum now.
Posts about others comming up.
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daydreamarine, you have to step it up .
Please read all of the pages and get up to speed with everything and give us some valid input.
We already had one person who... did not play as town should have and got lynched for it.
Another person not living up to even the most basic standards is more than town can afford with such a low playercount.
Superbia, please get your head out of your butt.
there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me?
The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
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As for due to other's points on them, Breshke and Mihzaa have gone down in the list for me towards null-maybe-scum territory, Would be willing explore their play deeper. lilwade, can you please elaborate and explain your read on Mihzaaa?
Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all.
Meat - what do you think of all this?
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On August 28 2014 19:37 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this. Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that.
Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different.
I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt.
What is "the formal" ?
And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.
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On August 28 2014 20:01 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 19:55 abuse wrote:On August 28 2014 19:37 Superbia wrote:On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this. Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch. I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt. What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little. I do understand what she was trying to pass on. I understand the whole "mafia doesn't do this" thing. But the thing is, I've seen so many games now where people use the "mafia doesn't do this" to abstain or whatever. And guess what? Mafia does do that. Mafia can do anything they want. I felt like dook was bluffing hard, he never gave his reads, he never gave a defense. So I voted on him. You can't let shit like that happen as town.
I am going to remind you that this is a newbie game. It is the first game for many people, and It is quite possible that they have not played a mafia game in their life, including real life mafia. You do have to take this into account, and it was noticable from his rage that he was a townie raging.
I do fully agree with you that it is frustrating when people use the phrase "mafia does not do this" and I agree that thinking like that is silly and can do you more bad than good, but in this case, I really think it applied pretty well.
Anyway, what's done is done, Will try to dig more into all of this a little later..
Also... I am going to be pretty inactive for some 2 (starting tomorrow night), as I will have a wedding to go to.
I will try to post and reply as best I can, but if there will be 10+ pages to go through every time I log on, then I am afraid I will not be able to give good input..
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Okay guys,
As I mentioned before, Unfortunatelly I will not be able to hang around much for the next 2 days or so, as I have a wedding to attend to, so I am going to stick this in quick.
I have skimmed through the posts up until this point starting from the end of D1, after My last post.
First off, I would like to inform you that I have gotten a PM notifying me that tonight I have been either Roleblocked or Jailed, or both, Which means having a tracker in this game is out of the question, due to the matrix format.
I tend to believe that this format has a roleblocker, a town cop, a doctor and a mafia.
Next, as I do not have much time, I will say that I agree with the stances that have been posted about Mihzaa and Breshke, I think they are definitely worth pressuring. I will try to stick in to vote at some point and try to catch up with posts as best I can to vote.
Also - please note who have been how active during the night in the thread, as most likely(not definite though) mafia would have been less active, as they had planning to do, and if their timezones did not match much, then it is possible that they would spend most, if not all time in their private QT.
Also, please do take note of people who keep telling me to pick up my game and that I need to show up more during deadlines. I have noted before that I will never be able to be around at the deadline that is currently, due to it being too late at night for me and there is absolutely no chance that I can be on then. People who want to paint me scummy for this are worth looking into. I also mentioned before that I will be gone for a few days, so already now warning me to be more active now (and I think so far I have been more than active, considering I post at the opposite timezone than when this thread is usually active), are most likely building a pretext to accuse me of this during the time I'm away.
My MBK(?) list at the moment is the following:
Marry -
Jenny (Though I do not like that you ignored my question about mihzaaa pointing out my part of the post about lilwade)
Bang -
lilwade
Barakos
Null -
Superbia (I like how he is active and giving thoughts, though I agree that he is being very nitpicky to the wrong stuff, and most of his tunneling on me is done by taking things out of context and putting them in a much more negative light than they are. - Glad that Barakos called him out on this.. Please stop taking stuff I say so to heart, and stop imagining that you are the smartest in this game. The ways you look at thing are often wrong. I can prove it by just looking at my role. Please be open to other's people's thoughts more and be a little less arrogant about your opinions. You can help town. Now you are helping both sides.
Kill(for now) -
Breshke
Daydreamarine
Mihzaaa
Best of luck!
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On August 29 2014 17:01 Barakos wrote:
Also abuse:
Why are you so defensive? Big parts of your post are basically a defense against things that haven't happened yet. Please don't do this, as it makes you look weak, when I think, that you could be a strong contributor to town, if you wouldn't spend to much time overdefending. For example you informing us about the pm was helpfull, your guess on the roledistribution was so in some way, too.
Anyways: have fun at your wedding. From what I have heard, weddings in your part of the world tend do be lots of fun! Hope you have a good time, but don't forget to read the thread so your vote is as well-informed as possible.
Mainly because I don't want you to focus on the wrong stuff, especially with Superbia finding something wrong with everything I say most of the time. This particular post is a little different though, because I see that that part of my posts was ignored by everyone. I can see mafia using that to their benefit to push a mislynch (ex: He was so active and now stopped. He must not know what to say, he is not helping town, abuse I need your input on this ASAP, otherwise I will be forced to put you in my scumpile.) and as we have 2 townies dead now, every townie life now is just so much more precious. Probably a wrong play, but I will take that into account for my next games, thanks for your input!
And yes, they tend to get pretty crazy..
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On August 29 2014 17:44 JennyHell wrote:
Abuse, a couple of questions while you are here:
I have no clue what question I must have missed that you were talking about, would you mind directing me to it?
Why do you think you were roleblocked? Do you think they think you softed a role?
How come lilwade is so high on your list? I gave him a pass for Day1, but I don't feel the same anymore.
On August 28 2014 16:57 abuse wrote:Now then - catchup post. Jenny- First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
"Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade: Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote:
lilwade
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today. Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after?
I do not know why I was roleblocked, but it looks like someone read me as a town power role. You should think who here would read that.
Honestly, right of the top of my head - Superbia comes up. He might be framing me on purose after all while reading me as a town power role. This is just a slight theory at the moment though, so it would be very much worth it if someone would look into this deeper, as I don't have time for this unfortunately.(I only have a little bit of time while im at work, when there is less to do), once I leave work, I won't be able to log on for quite a long while. At the moment I feel the strongest vibe for this comming from him.
The reverse is also possible, I might have been jailed by the jailkeeper instead, so it could have been done by somebody who thinks I am scum. As far as I know, there is nobody here that reads me as definite scum, so i think this is less likely.
about lilwade - I do not want to say more as it will hurt town, but due to something he said at one point, I have a slight read on him, which would implement that he should not get lynched. I am definitely not 100% sure about this, and maybe I am misunderstanding something, but I believe he did make a soft role claim at one point. I really hope someone notices it so they can either agree or prove me wrong on this.
Also - in the other newbie game he was not the most active person either, and was a town power role in the end..
Again though - I am not sure about this, but I think it is possible. At this point it is enough for me to believe, since he has not done anything scummy as far as I look at him.
Why do you not feel the same anymore?
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Also - I do know that what I have said about Superbia now does not match my thoughts of him in my previous post, but as I said before, This is just a theory of mine, as off the top of my head, I cannot find a reason for anyone else to roleblock me.
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On August 29 2014 18:10 Barakos wrote:
What you just said there rings a huge bell...
In your 2nd quote, you quoted yourself saying you had a read about lilwade but were not sure about him yet and you quoted Jenny posting something similar...
Do you think mafia might have been seeing this as a claim of one of you hinting at having a powerrole based on that statements?
Maybe, but in that case I am surprised that wade wasn't the one to die tonight.
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Sometimes keeping a person alive is important, because killing them would draw suspicions on you the next day.
So a question rises - who would be suspected if I died during the night and was revealed as town.
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@Daydreamarine,
Kills are shown to everyone, as in all mafia games.
Roleblocks and doctor saves/other actions are not revealed to everyone, only to those who were a part of it(in some setups this is not revealed even to them)
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On August 29 2014 18:29 Barakos wrote:
I am more surprised that you weren't the one to die, since they obviouly had you as a powerrole and I don't see many scenarios in which you would get protected over Jenny, Superbia and me. Seems like a strange call, mafia made in this night.
Still not making sense out of the kill on meatpudding.
I dont neccessarily agree with this statement by the way.
Jenny - yes.
You and superbia, not so much.
Also, I misread what you said before. I don't think mafia saw it as a claim of either me or jenny being a power role. I think mafia might have seen it as me and jenny hinting that lilwade might be.
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On August 29 2014 21:41 Barakos wrote:
Fair enough, i can see, why you would put jenny as top town.
Now that you read my idea the right way... do you agree?
I don't see how what we said implies that we are a power role, as there was no night phase before our statements were made. (if you think that we implied that we checked lilwade's role)
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I guess it could be interpreted that way.
If they saw it that way and used their action based on this, then the question is why would they not want me to check wade.
That is only IF that is how they read it though. Because I probably wouldn't read it that way if I saw it at first.
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Hiya,
Stopped by for a little bit, skimmed through the posts again.
Prime candidate for lynching at the moment is Superbia. Again.
After I have, again, said that I will be inactive for a while, he again ignores it. Asks for a "complete read" on mihzaa and starts his accusations again, based on.. again - nothing. (dislike the easy switch on mihzaaa.) - it is not an easy switch. I read others' cases on him and it made sense. Also, changing your mind can always be easy. Especially if your previous read was based on day1 information.
Also, boosting my thoughts on this is the conversation I had with Barakos at the early part of the day.
@ Jenny,
If you were also blocked, then there are definitely 2 blockers. There is no need for a mafia roleblocker to expose such critical information, just to find out if there is a jailbreaker involved. I am 99% sure that you got put in jail, and I got blocked by a roleblocker. This makes the theory that Superbia did it(what we discussed with Barakos) more likely.
For now -
## vote: Superbia
as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.)
Good luck town.
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