EPTAnd I mean I love smurf guessing games and whatnot, but not knowing who either of them are aren't the reasons we'd lynch them.
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And I mean I love smurf guessing games and whatnot, but not knowing who either of them are aren't the reasons we'd lynch them. | ||
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Way too much weird out of game read bullshit, way too few good reads. | ||
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On September 03 2014 05:28 Holyflare wrote: lack of effort/care lack of reads ez So the same as all the other likely scummers in this game so far? I don't understand why lack of activity/shit play from town is a surprise to you anymore. | ||
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On September 03 2014 08:39 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im still lynching HF tomorrow Sounds exciting and hilarious, but we have to actually get there. I'm so fucking nervous about this YM lynch because everybody is on it and it feels like a coinflip in either direction. On September 03 2014 07:55 MysteryMeat1 wrote: are you actually a dumbass HF? If all people from the cell vote for bunnies, or course one mafia is voting on their partner. The fact is bunnies was probably mafia, as no one voted for apathy. Either we just got rolled or bunnies was mafia. Same thing with ritoky. You also did the same thing iirc, you voted on your partner and then used some dumb excuse to switch your vote to a town lol HF you just got fucking told The only issue I have with HF scum right now is if he is, for him to have been fairly conclusively caught by MM1 and everyone else waffling all over the place is unlikely (no offense). HF is one of if not THE best scum on TL right now, and he's not Hapa to get caught by shitlogic/shitcases. His play is still wrong but I have no clue why. As for you, MM1, how come the bolded logic doesn't apply to me or to the bunch of other people who started out voting bunnies/BH and then switched to the alternatives? Looks more like you've already decided HF is scum and are applying tidbits you find posthumously. On September 03 2014 08:00 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I would also like to add the fact that bunnies making a post calling me scum, for switching my vote and not being confident. Which makes absolutely no sense. If bunnies is town, she should be happy that i believed her towness and switched my vote. I also switched my vote to someone she was voting for and scumreading at the time. It's also in bunnies video mafia style to make a list and include her mafia partner not as a top scum read but as a side scum read. I also have a problem with this; despite how well you presume to know bunnies, the bolded is not necessarily enough. If people would always be simply happy to be sheeped by everyone else you would lose way more often than you'd win. Ugh I almost hope we lose today because I'm fucking shit at LYLO. Amiko I'm counting on you if we get there. | ||
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On September 03 2014 08:47 Amiko wrote: @WaveofShadow / Holyflare: Marv was killed as town N2 in Heavyweight III. Did you feel he was easy to read as town in that game? @NRHF: I do want Holyflare, and maybe WoS/marv to know who you are to read you so please reveal yourself by then or I'll just do it. I still think you are pretty town so it's not a huge deal but eh you should do it if only to see if it gives you any helpful responses. Also lemme know what you think of Cell B :3 I don't know if I'm a good example here. The way I read JAT in Guilty I basically screamed his towniness to the high heavens (as scum) because it seemed really obvious to me after playing scum with him, but it was pointed out to me by a couple people that it may not have been quite so obvious to everyone else as towny as JAT DID look---scumsight is 20/20. Same problem with Heavyweight. I was scum in that game so I can't say for certain without it being biased. I'd like to say he was widely considered town by everyone (hence the ridiculous sheeping D1/D2 where the entire town followed marv into two mislynches). We killed him because for all my bluster about not being afraid of marv that I love to spout when scum, he really DOES solve the game eventually if given the time to, and his silence gave us a perfect opportunity that game for him not to follow up with any good reads after his bad ones. If marv is town again this time around, he can't be killed until the end of the game and I'm not sure what scum make of that since he would likely have been right about BH and initially right about bunnies (and hopefully right about YM)? His voting patterns actually could mean he's town this game considering the way he stuck to BH and he's not known to bus for no reason (see Shadow...he had a very good reason), but then again in the unlikely case if ritoky was scum then it doesn't mean much. Biggest problem I have with marv is he IS usually pretty obvious when town, and he just isn't this time. HF and I pointed some of it out (maybe this means they aren't scum together.....?) but marv just hasn't been very marv-y this game. Isn't taking charge, isn't causing mass hysteria at lynch time is generally forgettable, and marv usually isn't. Just like with Holyflare I can't be certain if it really IS a factor of the game type that just somehow sucks the life out of some people, if they're scum, or some other reason. But I can say with certainty both HF and marv are 'off' this game, and it's a problem. As far as NRHF goes, I wouldn't mind knowing who he is just for curiosity's sake, and I disagree with the fact that he's been pretty towny thus far. Entirely up to him though. | ||
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On September 03 2014 09:01 Amiko wrote: @WoS: I've only been in 3-player LYLO once and won, but I picked wrong in Dr. Who (I don't actually remember if we knew it was LYLO though) and probably would have picked wrong in Detention if I'd stayed alive. Really, all town (myself included I guess) are really screwing up. For town to win it means we have to lynch right in all three remaining cells. So honestly, everyone alive should be looking at all the remaining cells now since we'll never have this many town players available to look at the game. I.e. it's almost as important that people talk about Cell B & C now as it is to talk about the current cells. Since Holyflare & WoS are supposed to be good at reading marv and at least one is town, do you have any comments on him? My view of Oats is that it feels like most of his memorable posts are tunnelling me, but in retrospect I guess he posted some on marv as well. I'll try to write something about it. I can't read Oats. Like ever ever. The only time I ever got him lynched as scum is when he got himself lynched by killing me in Catastrophe lol | ||
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Ask marv himself how good I am at reading him. Also I forgot to bold this when posting @MM1 lol HF you just got fucking told The only issue I have with HF scum right now is if he is, for him to have been fairly conclusively caught by MM1 and everyone else waffling all over the place is unlikely (no offense). HF is one of if not THE best scum on TL right now, and he's not Hapa to get caught by shitlogic/shitcases. His play is still wrong but I have no clue why. As for you, MM1, how come the bolded logic doesn't apply to me or to the bunch of other people who started out voting bunnies/BH and then switched to the alternatives? Looks more like you've already decided HF is scum and are applying tidbits you find posthumously. HF why are you so absolutely convinced it's a slip and not your alternative 'MM1 isn't allowed to post this retroactively' case? | ||
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On September 03 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote: There's no possible way that town mysterymeat scum reads 27ninjabunnies but then when holyflare comes along and starts questioning ninjabunnies he says "oh you're pressuring my scum read a lot you are probably scum in my cell! that's super weird of you!" Is that the actual turn of events? Or is there some contextual shit you're conveniently ignoring? | ||
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On September 01 2014 07:06 MysteryMeat1 wrote: The only thing im scared about atm, is that HF is also trying to bury you and i think he could be mafia in my group. Due to the fact that he's been saying that everything i've said is scummy since my intro post. Ok here's the post? I guess if you take the first sentence and ignore mindset then yes, you're right. Except he also says it's because you've been calling him scum since the beginning of the game (which you were...though I think I was too lol), and there's that 'noob omgus' aura that MM1 seems to exude (though I don't and can't take that into account). Fuck I actually though my cell was gonna be hard because I was going to have to scream and yell at HF Let's go, input from other people on this. I don't think I have any idea who anyone else thinks is scum from our group. Even Toad's final reads post didn't conclusively finger anyone (though he put HF as lowest I think)? | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:13 Amiko wrote:  I was trying to find a haruhi gif that wouldn't make it suuuuuper super obvious but still kinda obviousI don't know what that is but hai haru On September 03 2014 10:00 Holyflare wrote: he even acknowledges you have also been calling him scum in his slip post Actually I forgot about this. Apparently he's acknowledged that I've called him scum before but magically forgot when he needed to throw suspicion on you for the same reasons. That's baaaaad MM1 | ||
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We're not playing mafia with the Queen  | ||
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If we lose here I won't sign up for games anymore if I can't be assured people will play. Like I'm not even mad cause this shut happens constantly, but the deadness of this game has been horrible. Lack of activity has somehow begotten more lack of activity. | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: he posted that he was sheeping marv after he scum read him as if it was a useful comment, he's also been very sure of things like "NUUU it's a town tell" and "no bla bla is definitely mafia" while ignoring everyone else i wouldn't honestly be surprised if wave was mafia with oats though It's funny, I think the same thing about you. On September 04 2014 07:30 Amiko wrote: @Holyflare - Any particular reason why you asked WaveofShadow in particular if he was vt (the d1 trap thing)? I'm wondering why you didn't ask me or Apathy or someone else who was also on at the time since Wave didn't answer at first - Did you ever answer this one from Wave on Oats? + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not following this. You think Oats has TMI and is scum, and so is saying BH is town? @WaveofShadow - When we were voting on lilwade you were pointing to NRHF as having really poor posting on D2. + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Where is fake holyflare? His totality of D2 posting has been absolutely horrible, mostly basing his apparent current dump vote on bunnies on weird meta shit. Did no one else pick up on this? On September 02 2014 03:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Well now you guys have got me thinking about who is voting for whom and when, and I absolutely hate NRHF's vote and the circumstances behind it. But I also remember not minding the wagon on bunnies when it initially started and I think he was on it then too. I think the fact that bunnies came back and was giving reads/answering questions freely without being asked despite the fact that she was essentially off the hook may clinch it for me. That one is also unlike the D1/BH. ##unvote ##vote: lilwade I have another 45 min or so then it's only phoneposting if at all until usual time. There's some justification to not suspect NRHF in the second post (based on his vote timings - I'll take a look at that since I'm not sure) but is there a reason why you moved toward voting for your mom without continuing to suspect or questioning NRHF? You did call NRHF town later (when it was revealed it was HaruRH) but you seemed to back off of him before that I don't think I ever called NRHF town; put simply your mom was the only logical choice for the day. If your mom had put even an ounce of effort into the game then maybe there would have been something else to do, but it doesn't make sense to give a pass to anyone like that otherwise scum can continually think they can get away with it. Neither us nor scum clearly really had much choice in the matter. I noticed an interesting pattern in that regard, however---if we assume bunnies and BH were scum then it means it's possible every initial target town has picked was correct for each day. (This would mean MM1/Oats for final two but I'm not going solely based on that). Now I've said this before but my activity is limited to late evenings now that I've started work again, with maybe the odd phonepost here and there. If there's discussion to be had right now then people should stick around so I can actually talk. | ||
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On September 03 2014 15:33 MysteryMeat1 wrote: @WaveofShadow look at how many times HF, has called me scum, or tried to throw scum on me. I do admit to saying that both of you called me scum, but you can even see that i misread. If you look at your post, you never said i was actually scum. I'll apologize for misreading but it wasn't a slip. Also look at bunnies response to me switching my vote off of her. as a side note: i'm pretty happy with this groups lynch. The fact that everyone in our cell is actually playing probably means we are hitting scum today. I was gonna say (the fact that HF is posting a lot) but i'm trying to avoid the tunnel. I have a question for you actually. You're right I never did explicitly state I thought you were scum, but obviously you agree that it was implied, correct? Point being, I wasn't looking for an apology for the accusation that I was calling you scum, because earlier in the game I essentially WAS. The problem is what I said before: Apparently he's acknowledged that I've called him scum before but magically forgot when he needed to throw suspicion on you for the same reasons. And now you're apologizing to me? | ||
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So basically stuff that I've (and I think MM1 has) already said before? Where was your suspicion on HF before now? Where was any mention at all of our cell? | ||
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On September 04 2014 09:23 marvellosity wrote: you go girl. It would be really nice if you'd read the game so I could actually talk to you. Do you have anything to say about the current cell? I'd ask for your read on Oats as well but there's no point in asking you because either way due to PoE you say Oats, unless you have any specific reasoning. I wouldn't mind a read on Oats from others as well---Amiko I know you said you have difficulty reading him, but solely based on his activity in this game, assuming he wasn't Oats or in a cell with you or Marv, how would you read him? Answering my own question I'm forced to say scum for random-ass lines of questioning that go nowhere, nonsensical play (even if it IS Oats) and just general uselessness. | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:26 Amiko wrote: @wave: I'll be out for a little but I'll try to give you updated thoughts on Oats tonight. If C was up today I'd probably push on Oats as the lynch over marv; I don't really know Oats' meta but I feel like there's a fair case for him as scum based on his posts in this game, whereas for marv I think most of the scumfeels come from a sense of uneasiness that he hasn't been more proactive or tried to be persuasive. One thing I wanted to look at but don't have time to right now is looking at whether Oats townreading marv early makes sense (since he was willing to "sheep" marv while at the same time suggesting he was seeing me as more town). And I dunno, I feel like most people voting for your mom weren't doing it to sheep marv (or at least didn't say so in that tone) Anyway I'll take a look later and let you know but that's more or less how I'm thinking about it now And see that's exactly why marv is an issue because he never looks overtly or generally scummy as scum as far as I know. Oats looks scummy even when he's town half the time---I'm not sure I could catch marv without the use of meta if he is scum, and I could very well be wrong on Oats. And as far as sheeping marv goes, look at basically every game he's in. People will sheep him just cause marv. | ||
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MM1 has a whole bunch of shitty things about him too that are slightly more pressing even if presented in a very tunnely way and I can't choose between the two of them. Also show me where you've talked about our cell. Go ahead. | ||
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You haven't even looked at anyone in this cell and you decided HF is scum basically. lol I wonder if that makes him town now | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: So in your opinion, looked = posted? I can't have thought about it before posting my scumread? I have to post everything I think in thread? Stop trying to fit me into your narrative wos. lol wtf? I don't think I have ever even seen you use the word 'narrative' to attack someone's play before. It doesn't suit you. There is no narrative for you Oats, you just post random shit and hope that people call you town for it. Like...I don't even understand what the hell you just said and how that answers my accusation at all. Oh wait I think I get it lol. Yes, townies should really post at least some of their thought process in thread to let other people get a read. I see no thought process from you regarding how you came to conclusions about my cell, therefore I can conclude that you're hiding your thoughts (or in your case, probably have none) and are scum. But please, let's hear what you have 'thought about,' by all means. | ||
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