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On August 02 2014 06:29 Eden1892 wrote: i will defend ur rite 2 not b metad its in constution <3 | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:26 HaruRH wrote: Anyway, I am null on this read on wos. His meta read could probably be thrown away after him not playing for months - I would certainly change a lot in 3 months. However, that 'stiffness' in his long ass posts can definitely be seen. So its a +1 -1=0. You saying that throwing away meta makes his vote post null? So the 'stiffness' means nothing to you? | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:39 Vivax wrote: Goodkarma do you feel Haru's resistance to your attempts to coerce him into scumreading WoS, or finding him scummy for not doing so is alignment indicative? I am not coercing him to do anything. I'm trying to understand his position on WoS. I find it a bit odd that he puts a +1 towniness out of nowhere. Like you'd think he'd say "yeah that looks scummy" and move on. Why push being null? | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It is never pointless to showcase your towniness. In what way does joining a haphazardly formed circle made minutes into the game show towniness? | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You join a green circle with the name towncircle in it. Surely this is obvious. lol Only when it sparkles. | ||
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On August 04 2014 10:01 gobbledydook wrote: GG checking in. On August 04 2014 10:04 gobbledydook wrote: Fuck you! But seriously I will be looking through the thread. Posting later. You realize you could just wait, read, and "check in" with a meaningful post? | ||
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On August 04 2014 10:22 Vivax wrote: Goodkarma do you feel I'm throwing bad accusations? It's like, I enter the game and it's a nice fluffy place full of friendly people who want to kill marv, if you ignore HF at least and then the saloon doors open and in comes this grim guy: "Agree about WoS" and sits down in a dark corner. This is more or less the feeling I got from you. The thing is I haven't been sitting in a dark corner. I've been in here actively posting. That should speak volumes of my towniness. Good luck seeing me be this active in a scumgame. I also don't joke around or trollpost all that much. I like to get into the thick of things, and make every post count for something. I read Haru as scummy. I already mentioned he made an out of place effort to be null on WoS. And that's scummy. Not null. | ||
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On August 04 2014 10:34 gobbledydook wrote: I don't know. No reads so far. No reads at all? What do you think of Haru? | ||
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On August 04 2014 10:40 Vivax wrote: What do you think of the way he came around to agreeing on his argument not being necessarily correct since he argued that you would be happy to roll town after a 3 month break. I dunno. You tell me. On August 04 2014 10:48 gobbledydook wrote: Read haru's filter. It is certainly badly worded. But palmar's advice on mafia: the most boring person is mafia, is legit. Often ppl who say the worst things are town because they aren't actively trying to sound innocuous. Haru's filter is kinda boring tho... The one person he tries to say something about he can't take much of any kind of a stance on. You don't find that odd? | ||
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On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches. I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?" | ||
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On August 04 2014 13:01 HaruRH wrote: Idk, if I was scum I would definitely sit back and think of how to play this game. So I would wanna check how these people who never posted yet on how they open up. Too stiff = skummer. So has anyone in the thread met this criterion of yours yet? Didn't you say Wave was stiff??? On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches. I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Assuming you weren't just pulling names out of a hat, is there a particular reason for listing these three? You got a OMGUS they're attacking me therefore they're scum kinda thing going, or is there more to it than that? Care to elaborate? | ||
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On August 04 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote: Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1. Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have. Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum. So the people you believe are looking towny are scum? Does this mean the afk scummy lurkers are all town??? You're still not answering my question. With all your ideas of how to find scum, you must have a prime suspect of some kind in mind? Someone you're just dying to learn more about to assert with certainty if he/she's truly scum? Lack of experience is no excuse. It's not like themed games (excluding the caller ones) are so massively different that your experience there can't be applied here. On top of that, you've been in normal games. So why are you using this excuse in the first place? | ||
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On August 04 2014 13:52 HaruRH wrote: You still sound angsty. What? I said, I'm waiting to see if the lurkers are posting stiffly so that I can group them up with wave. No. 1 scum in 3 people = all others are town? How did you even come to this conclusion? I still don't have a prime suspect. You probably have not played with me before but I don't do reads d1 (at least not the first half) until everyone turns up and I get to inspect and see how they are linked. Call it bad or w/e, this is how I roll. Lack of experience isn't an excuse, but expectations will be my worry. I am expecting 1 out of 3 of these boogers to be skum and the remaining few skums to be in the rest. So what you mean to say is you think most of your "towny-looking" people reads are town? Makes more sense than what you said before, though it's still a bit much for me to wrap my head around. Can you explain to me why you'd say you'd never been in normal games when I see World Cup Mini and at least one newbie game is in your played games list? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 04 2014 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote: So here's the thing. I could go do the legwork myself and show all of the cases throughout my MASSIVE list of towngames (see profile page) where I have complained about rolling town, but apparently HF is going to restrict his read to the latest few. Fine, I suppose, but I could honestly give two shits less about my own meta in the end, since I'd say about 80% of the time in games I have played I am accused of being scum from my opening posts, no matter what they say. I've been accused for being too 'tryhard,' and I've been accused for being too jovial when everyone else has stopped as such. Early accusations, meh. The one thing I will NOT abide is lies, and HF, the fact that you would somehow insinuate that I like most people would much rather roll town, even after 3 months of not playing is laughable. I KNOW you know otherwise because we had a conversation early on in our last scumgame together as to how fucking excited I was to roll scum because I NEVER GET TO. Do you deny this? If so, fuck you. If not, how do you account for you line of questioning along those lines? It just pisses me off because you're starting a smear campaign against me with things you know are blatantly false. Go ahead and answer one way or the other, if you don't mind, but I'm not pushing the matter any further. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to relevant matters. Thanks ONE FUCKING PERSON for answering my questions about those who I haven't played with before. Doesn't help me a great deal, but meh. People I like: Eden, poofter, artanis (Only really confident of eden being town. Artanis probably is) People I'm mad at but are likely town: HF People I'm null on: Vivax, goobletybooble, cavalinho Scum: Haru---his defense of me is awkward and he immediately backtracks on it when given an out. Rubs me in completely the wrong direction GK - I dunno. His posts gimme the jibblies but he's all tryhardy which I think is good. Maybe null but I honestly don't knwo where to group him atm I'll be up for a while if people wanna do stuff, otherwise I'll be sporadic tomorrow. Your scumread and dunno read have been pretty active in thread. Kinda curious you haven't had anything to say to them. @HaruRH: You claim you have reads formed mid-day 1. I'm holding you to that tomorrow. On August 04 2014 14:20 kushm4sta wrote: hiii Hiiiiii kush  | ||
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/towncircle Don't really see Artanis as this obvscum Marv apparently does. He has begun contributing his own reads, which I've found reasonable (minus the wave nonsense). There was much angst-inducing laziness before then, but that doesn't make him scum. See you guys in a few hours. | ||
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I don't like lynching Haru anymore. And given Obi has recently posted semi-respectable non-troll posts, I'd like to give him a chance. WoS/Poofter still look like good lynches. Both have promised posts soon. Feel free to ask me anything, but I'm waiting on these too to deliver said promised posts. | ||
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On August 05 2014 09:49 Vivax wrote: Yeah gimme a rundown of what changed your mind and how you feel about HF being so stubborn on Haru. I found his post I quoted to be quite the stretch since I was able to find a couple of reads in Haru's filter. I admit not much but it still didn't warrant HF saying that the guy hasn't been doing anything. The way Haru's recently reacted to HF's tunnel has looked towny to me. And the fact that Haru super-easily could have made up some kind of scumread and attracted way way less attention as scum. HF being stubborn on Haru isn't really alignment indicative to me. Haru has done super-scummy stuff, and it makes sense to me how he'd still be on him. That being said we've had similar thoughts/reads for most of the game so the guy's probably town. As for Haru not doing anything, he really hasn't said "I suspect person X as scum." He's been using some weird kind of heuristic crutch that doesn't really make any logical sense. His posts have been substanceless, and I can't understand why you'd think otherwise. The most substanceful post he's made ironically is the post ordering Eden's list, which isn't even his own... | ||
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Who do you prefer to lynch today and why? | ||
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On August 05 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote: Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment. As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact. Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example? I actually can't recall a game where you haven't thought I'm scum. You must really really hate my playstyle... I've told you exactly how I've read Haru. How a person comes off towny is a semi-subjective thing. Generally when a person curses and screams at their tunneler in the way Haru did it's a town response. It's not a foolproof read by any means, but reads of this ilk have historically served me well. If you're a skeptic, just go with my latter reason (he easily could have just made a scumread up). It's totally valid here. Haru isn't a good lynch today. And saying you don't know who you want to lynch when the thread's already ~40 pages, and the day's half gone is pretty weak. If you were forced to choose now, who would it be? This question really isn't that hard. | ||
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On August 05 2014 10:46 Vivax wrote: I would be lying if I said I had no scumreads. I'm simply not confident into them yet. Still in the process of deciding on you and WoS, and that's evident, so don't call my play "weak" just cause I don't go guns blazing on you guys, which is something you should actually value if you are town, since I give myself space for reconsideration. Implying I'm doing something scummy with what I'm doing in your regards isn't something I would expect from a townie in your position to be honest. You see this guy talking to his persons of interest, but not dead set on lynching them, and the first thing coming to your mind is that the play is "weak"? There's something to be said for still deciding, but there's also something to be said for sticking to safe stances. You haven't outright accused me of being scum, so I'm going to just assume you think I'm town. On August 05 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote: Btw what's the super scummy stuff you talk about in regard to Haru, when I look at your filter I see you in conversation with him and when I asked you, you said you found it a bit odd what he was doing. Not really a post where you showcase A to B how what he was doing was super scummy so if you really feel that way it might be a good time to display what it is. I've just told you Haru's probably town. Not wasting my time discussing this with you, as if it wasn't already obvious. | ||
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On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked? I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it. Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise. | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work. I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic. Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring. | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I haven't been around all that much. Also as far as scumreadS go, I only have the one right now, and I recently posted about him. Care to comment as it seems you and I have differing opinions? You seem to have some grasp of why people read him as towny. The real question is if you think his response to the HF tunnel is fake or not. If fake then scum. If not he's town. My personal thoughts on Haru should be pretty clear from my filter. | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm not done reading so I'm not going to update my BMK but I will when I get there. Hurry up on catching up then, and stop shitposting until you do. | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:04 Tehpoofter wrote: I was gonna read then shit came up so i came back when i could and am reading now. I think what I said about marv is odd and you have played with him enough to know he doesn't just normally day 1 instant vote someone. Like thats not obsolete thats something different from the norm. Something different from normal play could be mafia. Something different from normal play is only mafia if said person's more likely to do it as scum than town. | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: GK reads aren't (or shouldn't be) ever as simple as that. My inclination is to believe the response more likely comes from town, but then everything else Haru has said or done that looks scummy goes ignored. If cases could so easily be boiled down to one simple action then you could just as easily say that about everyone: "if so-and-so is lying about this they're scum, if not they're town." You don't know the truth so you have to sum up and take into account all that they have done and decide what is important and what isn't. Do you believe so strongly that what Haru said is not faked that you can ignore everything else? And HF what I find Haru scummy for is different from what you find him scummy for, isn't it? Do you find it adds to or detracts from your tunnel? (And nothing Haru said or did detunneled you?) If you read my filter, you'd realize it wasn't as simple as that. But it was a pretty heavy factor in favor of him being town. The other, as I've previously stated, that he could have just as easily made up a scumread as scum and avoided oodles of unwanted attention. He didn't make up some weird heuristic thing and actually called people "scum" in his only scumgame, so why wouldn't he do that here too? | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote: Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me. Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever? No argument required. He's a good lynch. He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum. | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote: Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads. Can you possibly be serious? This listpost is the last spot I really see reads, and you outright say you won't explain them at all. Perhaps update them, and explain reasons for why you think things? On August 04 2014 11:59 Tehpoofter wrote: I'll be posting all reads in Bang Marry Kill format Marry meaning I'm in it for the long haul Bang means I'm using you for your vote Kill is obvious. These mega solid late game reads I have thus far. Marry: No one has won my heart over yet. I'll find someone to put a ring on it. Bang: Hf, Eden Kill: Haru, Marv I can't give any reasons. Except that HF is non-game related. | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote: I think at the time my list was amazing. Aside from marv who haven't talked and was obviously a troll. I agreed with all my reads when I made them. Scummy would ahve been if I made that list now as oppossed to like hours into the game like I had before Your reasons suck. Also I'm town HF has probably figured it out by the way I'm responding. Marv will know if hes town. I really hope I'm fucking up whatever timing metric he thinks he has on me (its intentional sucker) kushm4sta reading me right makes me a bit uneasy tbh  but in my read thus far his posts have seemed pretty carefree and unless his scum team is really good I think its porbably more townie. I might have to bang him but going to finish the next 10 pages or sof irst before I make another scummy as fuck bang marry kil list. You don't have to make a list. All I really care about is who you think is scum and why. So actually read the thread, and don't come back until you do. | ||
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On June 25 2014 06:28 Tehpoofter wrote: If you don't like reading posts you're in the wrong place. That would be like playing video mafia without anyone talking. This is wolfy teemu, don't be lazy. | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote: Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space. ##vote: tehpoofter Is this all you care to comment on after over a day of absence? | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:22 gobbledydook wrote: AUS Timezone OP, also I have other things to do Is there anything specific you want me to comment on? Wave's case on Haru, Obi, Artansis, the meaning of life. Take your pick. There must have been something posted of interest to you between yesterday and today. | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:36 gobbledydook wrote: 1) Haru: It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru. 2) Obi: Null read atm, he's played similarly to when I saw him in Noir Mini 2, and he was town in that game. He hasn't particularly stood out as towny though so that's why I have a null read. 3) Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him. 4) The meaning of life: 42. Well at least you got the meaning of life part right. Was kinda hoping you'd have more to say about Wave seeing as how I was referring to his case. And also I find it odd that you don't seem to have much of a direction in mind as to where to spend your time in thread. Don't get me wrong I like the poofter vote but your posting shouldn't begin and end with one vote post. | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:39 Tehpoofter wrote: I said I hadn't read not that I'm not going to I'm doing it while doing other things. o rly? | ||
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Marv wants Vivax dead? I'll sheep that. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax While I still like lynching Poof it kinda is a policy lynch at this point. Not sure how much more I should have expected from the guy... Vivax, on the other hand, has done some substantially scummy stuff. On August 05 2014 21:26 kushm4sta wrote: abou vivax: Try to understand this post if you dare (I don't suggest it). I spent about 5 minutes on it reading it again and again. So far I think it has something to do with goodkarma being scummy because he didn't read the scumminess of his two scum reads equally, and that is scummy because of some other reason I can't understand. But the fact that he thought through all this shit makes him town. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 00:44 Vivax wrote: It seems there is a strong difference in Goodkarma's play regarding his two scumreads. I feel he ended up focusing much more on Haru than on WoS, and that after criticizing Haru for nullreading WoS for that. Like, the one thing GoodKarma had to expect in his opinion was that Haru would scumread WoS with a -1. I think that if they wanted to nullread somebody as opposed to scumreading him, then scum would prefer ścumreading the townie and null reading the other scum. If that's what GK might think, too, then he must just feel as strongly scummy about Wave than he does for Haru, cause just then nullreading WoS might show a scum motive. However all we are left with Goodkarma vs Wave is: WoS wrote this before GK posted that: So they both scumread the same guy, Wave says what he found scummy about Haru, but GoodKarma still asks him that. Besides, I don't really like the reason WoS is using there for scumreading Haru, so I'm surprised Goodkarma wouldn't also try to get more interactions with WoS aside from that sort of loaded post. This quote you used Kush was constructed 8 hours after my last post of the night. Don't you find it a bit odd that he'd call me out for not talking to Wave when I was clearly asleep? I seeded suspicions in this post, but given Vivax didn't ever come back I never followed up.: On August 05 2014 11:19 goodkarma wrote: There's something to be said for still deciding, but there's also something to be said for sticking to safe stances. You haven't outright accused me of being scum, so I'm going to just assume you think I'm town. I've just told you Haru's probably town. Not wasting my time discussing this with you, as if it wasn't already obvious. The guy has been "pressuring" people for a good portion of the game, but he's never really called people scum (until super-recently in a sheepish way). I find this really odd. The Vivax that liked to tunnel me in times past had no trouble doing so. It's also worth mentioning that he hasn't really touched up on his old reads all that much. Especially me, which is significant given how much time he dedicated to pressuring me before. In Marv I trust. Sheep sheep. I really wish I could elaborate more, but this deadline is super awful for me. I'll try to pop in a little before the deadline but don't expect elaborate posts of any kind from me until evening. One more thing.: It should be considered that Haru hadn't really shared meaningful reads until his listpost. No matter how he presented his reads it would have looked scummy given all the time that had past. Keep that in mind. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote: yo hf and everyone who reads gobble town, read this exchange. he's lying. he's mafia. Give us gamelink, or it didn't happen. | ||
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On August 06 2014 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Except if it wasn't Vivax, it would have been Haru, who you currently townread I believe? What would you have done? It's pretty obvious I wouldn't be voting my townread, if that's what you're asking... What exactly are you asking? | ||
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On August 06 2014 12:19 WaveofShadow wrote: In any case, who is next for you then, GK? This is all the time I've got to talk until tomorrow evening so let's try and have a discussion? I honestly don't know. I'll be rereading everyone's filters tomorrow, assuming I'm alive. If you have someone specific in mind you'd like to bring up feel free to. But I'm taking a bit of a break today there's other stuff I'd like to get done and we can't exactly night lynch people anyway. | ||
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##Vote: Gobbledydook The martyring stuff is pretty bad, not to mention your content in posted towngame looks much better than this one. On August 07 2014 08:29 gobbledydook wrote: Sorry this class im in prohibits technology so be back later I'll be waiting. | ||
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On August 07 2014 10:55 gobbledydook wrote: give me a reason why I should try. ur all sucking kushs dead dick On August 07 2014 11:14 gobbledydook wrote: also marvs sheep worst sheep ever. hard defend me into sheeping kush like one page later with no reason other than trusting kush. Kush is good and hes confirmed town but hes not god, make your own decisions. Would consider a marv lynch based on that alone. From given up --> lynch Marv in 20 minutes... Interesting | ||
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On August 07 2014 11:50 gobbledydook wrote: would you prefer me rage for 20 minutes or 20 hours i can do 20 hours too If you're done raging, then do something productive. | ||
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On August 07 2014 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Wow either kush has come a long long way, or I have severely underestimated him. Probably both. Trying to decide if NK is frame attempt on people kush has found scummy (HF, onegu, Gd) but I don't think I've ever actually seen mafia attempt to frame anyone so I think I'm forced to discount it. Marv doesn't sheep lightly so I'm willing to bet he has faith in kush's reads for a reason. I've re-evaluated some reads as I caught up. Just a sec This is where you left off. It would be a good spot to pick up from. | ||
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And if you mean to try unvoting yourself would be good too. | ||
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 Lurking here for the next couple hours talk to me. | ||
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Why would you ask for my townreads? In what way are they relevant for today's lynch? | ||
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On August 07 2014 12:23 gobbledydook wrote: 'Someone has been right lately so I'm just going to blindly trust him even though I'm not sold on his arguments' Either there's a case of cognitive bias here where marv just remembers the times he gets lucky with his sheeping, or he's trying to back away from his read with a semi-plausible reason. My question is, if he's town and doesn't think I'm town any more, why doesn't he give his own reasoning why I'm now scum other than 'kush thinks gobbledydook is scum'? So just to be clear your proposed scumteam now is: Haru, Poofter, Marv And you feel okay about everyone else? | ||
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On August 07 2014 13:11 gobbledydook wrote: Those three are on my bad list, I haven't reread everyone's filter yet so I cannot say for sure they are OK. In particular I haven't quite got around to analyzing the cases on holyflare. What about now? Promised thoughts on HF ready yet? | ||
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Marv why are you still alive? There a good reason 4 u 2 b alive d2? On August 06 2014 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ag7ZTWU.png) Never forget. | ||
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Just looked up if there was a word for being cranky from hunger. "Hangry." It's a thing. Okie looking into it after I catch up. There's a reason I don't usually post in real-time when I'm this behind it can take me quite a while to catch up. | ||
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On August 08 2014 10:35 Eden1892 wrote: marv and I solved the game after realizing we had no chance of winning the belt by holding back anyway since kush already won it Nice. I love it when other people do the work so I don't have to. These french fries I'm eating are delicious. | ||
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/sheeps Kush the Confirmedtown Mafiagod and his Sidekick Marvellosity ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu A solid case. Sheep sheep. I'm tempted to just start policy lynching replacements they're mafia so damned often. | ||
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I should be around for lynch deadline tomorrow as well. TGIF | ||
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On August 10 2014 07:52 Holyflare wrote: poofter doing typical scummy shit of not post here but posting in other games and then when called out he returns to say he hasn't read yet knows about onegu flipping (hasn't read but posts in other game...?) and then just does generic "lets make 2 wagons" post an further generic "what are your reads" posts probably mafia On August 10 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote: i think our best bet today is a gd lynch tbh ##vote gobbledy | ||
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Poofter/Goob at least one is probably scum. Poofter's filter is 90%+ shitposts and I'm tired of reading it. ##Vote: Poofter #Choices | ||
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On August 11 2014 04:55 justanothertownie wrote: Eden is town but that doesn't mean he is right. And he is on gobble anyways. Didn't see Eden switched. /sheep ##Unvote ##Vote: Gobbledydook | ||
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Keep in mind tho we're 6-3 town:scum today. Meaning we need 5/6 town to vote for scum (assuming scum doesn't bus). That doesn't leave much margin for error. I have Eden pegged as town and my strongest read atm. So if Eden's sticking on GB I'd rather stay there for optimal scum lynch chance. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:53 Holyflare wrote: can you also elaborate on any reads you have gk i want to make sure you're actively paying attention in this game I haven't looked at this game in quite a while. Like I got sick of sifting through 10+ page filters full of mostly shit and decided to just give it a break and sheep people I had pegged as most likely town. Without Eden here voting Poof doesn't really make sense. We'd need LITERALLY EVERY TOWNIE to follow, and I don't think that's very likely given our time constraints. Literally everyone on the Poof wagon I have misgivings about right now, so there's that too. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote: how can you have misgivings if you haven't looked at the thread? eden even said he liked obi and i kinda do too I have my collective thoughts from a couple days back when I was looking at this more closely, and I have the last few thread pages where you're saying both are probably scum. And yet... pushing super hard for one lynch over the other for some reason. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:03 Holyflare wrote: so you don't feel good about him but not for the game thing? I don't feel good about him because most of what he's done this game is outright scummy. Outright Scummy. But what I'm saying is that it's possible the second game would account for that. | ||
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I'd really like to see from HF his super-compelling case for why Pooft is so much more likely to be scum than GD. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:25 Tehpoofter wrote: His case is "I've been afk and only thinking one guy is mafia" There isn't anything more cause I'm not actually scum Any more and I might lynch you on principle. Got anything useful to say? It's still quite possible this is your last thirty minutes to post reads. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:28 gobbledydook wrote: I see it is too late and you have made an unfortunate choice. The Balrog in question is undeniably haru obi and poofter. We've still got thirty minutes, and there are enough people in thread to make a vote switch. So explain your reads. | ||
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Does this mean i can pee? | ||
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Time would be well spent deciding how we're going to achieve a unanimous decision. Ideally a town leader and/or primary lynch target can be named by whoever dies tonight via a last minute before deadline ninjapost. Everyone with any chance of dying should make something like this... There's a few ways to implement this this is how I'd do it. Whatever we do tho we need to establish /towncircle and force sheeping. There's not room for error anymore. Goodnight and good luck. | ||
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On August 11 2014 13:53 Eden1892 wrote: Fine, I'll bite. GOODKARMA: Who should we make the CEO of /towncircle Co. for the rest of the game? Also be sure to name two successors since our leader(s) will surely be killed off. Actually name 3 since that's how many nightkills the mafia have before we win Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg. As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast. It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway. People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time. | ||
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On August 11 2014 21:24 Eden1892 wrote: Sheeping whoever the mafia nightkills is literally putting the game into the mafia's hands unless all the townies are on the same page (at which point we don't even need to sheep). No matter what we try to come up with, solving the consolidation problem is hard and there are no easy solutions; welcome to LYLO, it fucking blows. What definitely won't solve the game is agreeing to sheep beforehand. Everyone should be busting their balls trying to figure this thing out. And in that vein, how are you gonna look at me, goodkarma, tell me I'm going pants-on-head super-stupid, tell me you don't think you can be bothered to solve the game and then just talk about consolidation and needing to work together? This sounds to me like you're saying "You're wrong and I don't feel like explaining why," which is... Understandable I guess if you really are town and mad, but it's also alarming and giving me scarce little reason to reconsider my scum read on you. As an aside... And if I'm wrong I'm about to make an ass out of myself but I'm sure I've already done that if I'm wrong so fuck it: this complaining about the activity level doesn't seem genuine to me. You see gents, goodkarma and I were hydras in Melee Mini, a game of comparable activity level to this one. Goodkarma didn't post much but he had no trouble keeping up with the game and giving me bunches of good reads and advice as I did my thing. I can see his complaint to some degree since the quality of the activity in this game is lower than that one, but I don't think the game is significantly more difficult to read than that one. Maybe this is goodkarma's boiling point... Or he's mafia. If it's the former then I really am sorry but I think it's the latter and I feel pretty good about that read. Crown the townie each night then, whatever. Honestly I have zero faith in anyone left alive right now solving this game. So call it "putting it into mafia's hands" or whatever, but any coin-flippish chance of winning is prolly better than what we have if we just jubjub around and trust everyone to "logic vote" their reads. 100% townie consolidation really isn't that hard if u make a system. If you don't like mine come up with your own because if you don't, nothing you're doing right now will matter at all. | ||
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On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote: Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really. With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still. Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either. That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:01 Eden1892 wrote: Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit? Come on! Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk. Any effort on this game is wasted until you do. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:42 Eden1892 wrote: If you're town, it starts with you doing something; I can't get a unanimous decision if I don't know wtf you want to do. Come on, where's the passion, man? You had so much fun working with me before. What changed? It's not my alignment. Is it yours? What changed is terrible deadlines, on top of terrible terrible daylength reductions, on top of not being able to meet the "spam meta" especially because of the first two. Also, this game situation is dire. I honestly, seriously, can't understand why fucking no one can be bothered to try to figure out how we keep town together for lynches at this point. Oh wait, I did. But no one cares, so forgive me for not caring when I've told you guys EXACTLY what needs to be done. Figure out how we consolidate then we can solve the game. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:51 justanothertownie wrote: I don't even... You proposed that we follow the nightkilled towny. Scum can just shoot a towny that is wrong and we hand them the game. Not if you last minute post... But apparently it's hard to describe things in clear enough terms for you jubjubs. Crowning a new town leader works to. You need some kind of system in place tho or we flat-out lose. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:54 Eden1892 wrote: You think it's a guaranteed loss if we do anything besides sheeping townies? I can't believe that you believe that, goodkarma. Sorry dude. If you're town and we lose because we mislynch you then I'm sorry I brought the game to the point where you decided the best move was to roll over and get mislynched. But you're hitting all my "lynch me" buttons right now. Limited meta experience, incoherent argument, martyrdom, you're practically tying the noose around yourself. Lol okay. The faster this fail game ends the better. Like seriously. At any point here I could have been like "herpa derp here's my reads." "Here's why I think people are scummy and stuff." I could have done that DAYS ago, and never mustered any suspicion at this point. There are a bajillion people who look scummy right now. I could have made it convincing. It really wouldn't have been hard. If you really, truly believe that people are scum because they do "scummy" stuff then you absolutely fail at this game. What's my scum motivation for saying I'm taking a break from this game after this? And why as scum would I be so damned lazy when with even an ounce of effort I could avoid getting lynched? I don't even care do what you want. Honestly, the thought of sheeping your derp reads terrifies me. But yes, I'm that desperate at this point. | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:02 Eden1892 wrote: Eh I agree with Obi here, just not at non-3p LYLO I won't be self-voting don't you worry. But I'm not putting in the effort to solve this game. It's not worth it. | ||
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From everything I've seen, he's a better player than you and the rest of the people here. He totally deserves to be sheeped. That you're still alive after being townread by many here is also more than a little strange. To be perfectly honest, minus this huge spurt of activity super-late into the game, I don't recall you saying anything meaningful. You've trolled for multiple pages early into the game, deliberabely spammed on numerous occasion and called yourself townie for doing it (showing awareness of the whole nonsensical "he posts a lot therefore he's town" meta people have been following here), and you really haven't tunneled people much. Like you've kinda just gone with the flow and let things happen. I clearly remember you telling me in chat when we hydra'ed you like to tunnel people. I haven't seen anything like this this game. You've been fairly lost much of the game, and I'm convinced that it's been deliberate. HF clearly had reasons for thinking you're scum if he dies and I agree. You don't just troll-post "kill Eden if I die" at the zero-minute mark before night ends. There was literally ZERO chance that scum had the option to act on that post, and as such HF in his last dying breath gave town a chance to actually push a proper scum lynch today. That chance is you, and I'm sticking with it. Everyone who's town should join it's our best bet. | ||
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I'm sheeping HF and all town should too. Especially compelling reason: I'm town so if you don't we're sure to lose. | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Where's his scumgame. Put in some fucking EFFORT GK if you don't want this to be Les Mafia all over again It already is Les Mafia. Only difference is I gave you guys a method to consolidate this time, and you couldn't be fucking bothered to consider it. | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:42 WaveofShadow wrote: No, you gave us an ultimatum based on fucking NOTHING. All people have done this game is sheep townies on stupid shit, and look where it has gotten us. HF's one fucking line on Eden is no exception. If you force the town to policy lynch you then the game is on YOUR head, no matter how self-righteous you get about this. Back the fuck off, and use your brain. If you give me some super-compelling case that person X is scum of course I'll consider it. To be honest tho I have way more faith in HF than anyone still in the game. | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Then if you have faith in HF WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING HARU LIKE HE FUCKING ASKED And for that matter why didn't you respond when called out about this earlier? Where did he ask to vote Haru? His deathpost says Eden's mafia. | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:55 gobbledydook wrote: I considered it and my conclusion is that you're scum. A statement with no reasoning. Super helpful... | ||
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@Wave, the only remotely reasonable guy in thread: Tell me then if you're not dead set on me or Eden why is Haru a sure bet? Wow me. | ||
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Also, you're not my buddy pal. But I need people in here I can actually talk to to advance the thread. People plugging their ears going "neener neener you scum" are not exactly going to be people I can hold meaningful conversations with. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: You never gave people a chance, you rage out way too easily. Of course people who think you're scum are going to have some form of superiority complex and lord their shit over you, welcome to the game of mafia! Are you new here? It happens every game. It's up to you to cure them of their misconceptions and coddle the shit out of them until they believe you. There's a reason why I don't ever get lynched, GK. You actually have to put up a fight, not go 'oh woe is me everyone here is stupid but me gg all' Now for lack of better judgement, for now I think you're likely town because I've seen you do this stupid shit before. Look where it got you. Fix it, because if you don't my townread doesn't last. lol u. I've done plenty on my return. I've been far from graceful, but you know what learn to deal with it. I'm not unaccustomed to people acting stupidly but coddle them I will not. I've explained my position there's literally nothing more to do than to catch literally three scum in succession. Only problem with that: no one can be bothered to decide how we'll consolidate. I'm only consolidating on HF candidates. Will only consider Eden and Haru. Since we literally lose if any of our lynches are wrong I suppose it isn't terrible to have two HF-proposed wagons. He was the most competent guy left anyway. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote: I'll switch to Haru over goodkarma. ##UNVOTE: goodkarma ##VOTE: HaruRH That was certainly fast. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote: This. This is what makes me want to reach through the computer and slap you. Why do we have to DECIDE how we consolidate? Have we had problems consolidating thus far? Was it the fucking unanimous mislynch of Onegu where he had problems consolidating? Stop talking out your ass. It's LYLO. We will consolidate once we find a solid lynch target just as we did every other day. Pre-choosing based on the fact that HF was town gets us absolutely nowhere. Why didn't we just pre-choose all of kush's reads at the start of the game to get us to our Onegu mislynch? lol who was kush's third scumread? Should we all pile on that person too? With 4-3 town:scum split it's stupid easy for scum to push mislynch. Like stupid easy. HF is up to speed with the events of the game. Given the uselessness that's taken place today I don't think he missed anything. | ||
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I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:38 Eden1892 wrote: Stalling Throwing town for a loop Drawing townies into arguments that go nowhere (and can't go anywhere) ?Possibly? deliberate appeal to self-meta Better than the alternative, short of overly-indulgent schadenfreude (which is NOT who I pegged goodkarma for), a townie gains nothing out of his approach Stalling? That's a pretty stupid reason. You do realize I'm only here the next few hours right? And that evenings are the only times I can spend in earnest to this game beyond the cursory random post. WRONG Try again. | ||
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Quite a quandary. And if you want to mislynch me and end the game that's your choice. I would love to be more helpful but honestly I'm a bit stymied. I trust confirmedtown dead HF far more than I trust any of you right now. So who you want to lynch: Eden or Haru? | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I disagree. It depends entirely on the context of the sheep, who you're sheeping, why, etc. For example some of the time you can get away with sheeping for no reason while other times if you don't provide a reason you get torn apart. GD, (I think it was in this game that) marv said something along the lines of knowing when to sheep and when not to is important for town (or townie, or something). DO you believe GK deliberately chose to sheep badly or did what a great deal of other townies have done in this game and simply fucked up? Can you prove it either way? GK. Is Eden scum? He's been completely useless, but so has Haru... How's that for an answer? | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:48 gobbledydook wrote: I probably spend less time on mafia than you do (it reflects in the number of pages in my filter) and I've been on the noose for quite a while. And I actually haven't just gone about stalling, I actually make reads. I've already clearly stated who I'm lynching: Eden or Haru. Deal with it. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I am really tempted to get this town to force the lynch on you as you seem to want. I really don't appreciate play like this if you're town. At all. Reminds me of the kind of shit I've raged at Onegu and gumshoe about. Of course it's entirely possible you are scum in which case this is a big game of chicken for you. Hell it kind of is anyway regardless of your alignment. Policy lynching in this game may have cost us already (ie Vivax) and doing it at LYLO is horrible but the fact that you're taking the fun out of this game for me and many other people I imagine by forcing their hands is truly dishonourable. I trust HF more than myself right now to have figured out this game. I'm sheeping him. I don't see that being any more dishonorable than sheeping Marv. On August 12 2014 12:54 Eden1892 wrote: As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you. This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time. Have it your way. Let it be known that I'm lynching Eden or Haru. Good night. | ||
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Three people haven't voted. Three people can't be bothered to commit to someone 5 hours before LYLO deadline, but can be bothered to bitch in thread about how things have been going. That "If GK is town I sure do hope he gets back. Meanwhile I do nothing." Literally everyone that hasn't voted thus far is very likely scum. Okie Eden. I don't think you'd be this tryhard as scum. I especially don't think you'd give me the benefit of the doubt given that I'm probably the easiest townie to set up a mislynch on. Let's do this. I highly highly recommend pressuring the fuck out of the people that haven't committed a vote yet that very well could be the entire scumteam. ##Unvote ##Vote: Haru | ||
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What happens when you don't sheep townies that are better than you? You fail... On August 12 2014 12:33 goodkarma wrote: With 4-3 town:scum split it's stupid easy for scum to push mislynch. Like stupid easy. HF is up to speed with the events of the game. Given the uselessness that's taken place today I don't think he missed anything. Sure, mindlessly sheeping all game was pretty bad. Sure, I should have tried a bit harder blah blah blah. But honestly, I can't even begin to understand how you think that when you need UNANIMOUS decision establishing some kind of system that ensures town consolidation without scum influence is a bad idea. I know I don't post a whole lot, but that doesn't mean that all of the stuff I say is meaningless or stupid or wrong. So I'll say this once: I told ya so. GG. I'm done with this game for at least a while. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote: GK I'm sorry. I took advantage of your ragey meta a little. I was simultaneously hoping you would and wouldn't rage out Also Onegu <3 Your messages to me before you got lynched broke my heart a little All is well. It was fun to play with you again .Was serious about taking a break again, though. | ||
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