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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On August 06 2014 10:48 Eden1892 wrote: working overnights sucks. i hope i didn't miss anything important and that eod wasn't dramatic or kneejerk Last-fifteen-minute switch onto Vivax who flipped town. So you did miss something important. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
not because Vivax was lynched, I'm not gonna be That Donkey that shows up after missing EOD and whines about a last-minute switch being Soooooo Obviously Bad, but because I was sure we had Haru lined up and felt good about it and went to sleep and dreamed of poofter and then woke up and found we didn't lynch Haru after all  | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Also it really sucks to only be around when very few people are. I'm not sold on GD despite Vivax's ravings; aside from Haru (my thoughts have absolutely not changed---why, by the way was my case NEVER brought up throughout the ENTIRE deliberation as to whether or not people should vote him?) I think Cav is likely 2nd scum. HF looks worse, marv is marv, kush still sueprtown and probably Eden is too? though for a guy who attempted to lead town throughout much of D1 he kinda petered off. Maybe stronger voices made it hard? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
No fucking clue what to think of him at this point---reminds me of a rock wall where you can throw whatever you want at him and get no useful reaction. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I actually think marv looks significantly worse than HF out of those two although I'm not sold on either. I want Cav tomorrow though, I feel pretty good about that case. Did not like his EOD play at all, looked like scum who got caught up in the Chinese fire drill and was having trouble calculating whether switching was a good play. That plus his pointed refusal to be involved in the direction of the thread = good scum case | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 06 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote: I petered off cause I couldn't figure out what I wanted to do. Eventually settled on Haru and felt good about it, needed to sleep, woke up and durp everywhere. I actually think marv looks significantly worse than HF out of those two although I'm not sold on either. I want Cav tomorrow though, I feel pretty good about that case. Did not like his EOD play at all, looked like scum who got caught up in the Chinese fire drill and was having trouble calculating whether switching was a good play. That plus his pointed refusal to be involved in the direction of the thread = good scum case My issue with the 'having trouble calculating' part, is would cav let us know about all the trouble he was having out loud? Also why does marv look worse? I know marv way better than you do I imagine, and I'm interested in what you got out of his play. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On August 06 2014 09:08 kushm4sta wrote: wanna update us on your artanis read real quick? I liked his post defending me from haru's attack, I think those are convincing reasons why haru is scum. I didn't like how he hopped onto the vivax bandwagon without any explanation, when at that time if he had stayed on haru probably haru would be dead by now. So I don't think haru and artanis are both scum, I don't see why artanis would scumread haru and actually raise new points about his posting if he was scum too. Artanis scum haru town seems unlikely, why did he have to raise suspicion by doing the swap when haru was perfectly scummy for him to mislynch? Artanis town seems most likely, Artanis is reasonably confident that haru is scum, but he trusts in HF's vivax bandwagon (lapse in judgment for a second? sheep mentality?) and there goes the yoloswitch. This is also the reason why I think last minute switches are retarded, you just don't give enough time for town to think through that choice and emotional pushes on wrong targets are what mafias like and want to see. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 06 2014 11:48 goodkarma wrote: Vivax flip is super-frustrating. Regroup and do better tomorrow. Except if it wasn't Vivax, it would have been Haru, who you currently townread I believe? What would you have done? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On August 06 2014 11:34 WaveofShadow wrote: My issue with the 'having trouble calculating' part, is would cav let us know about all the trouble he was having out loud? Also why does marv look worse? I know marv way better than you do I imagine, and I'm interested in what you got out of his play. eh I guess it depends on Haru's flip really so I'm not putting much stock into it, but on balance I think scum are much more likely to follow a move at EOD rather than start one. path of least resistance and all and I know that can be subverted, hence the "on balance" aspect re: whether Cav would let us know, I feel like he would yeah. just putting myself in my scum slippers for a minute, if I'm in the thread at EOD and there's a serious push to lynch someone I know will flip town, I'm certainly not gonna flip willy-nilly, I'm gonna make it look like I'm struggling to figure it out tbh I'm more interested in two things besides him moving to Vivax: 1) the pointed refusal to take any responsibility for where the thread is going by pushing for a particular lynch with anything resembling a credible case 2) the fact that it took for-fucking-ever for him to even put a vote down and show people where he stood before the end | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On August 06 2014 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Except if it wasn't Vivax, it would have been Haru, who you currently townread I believe? What would you have done? It's pretty obvious I wouldn't be voting my townread, if that's what you're asking... What exactly are you asking? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 06 2014 11:58 goodkarma wrote: It's pretty obvious I wouldn't be voting my townread, if that's what you're asking... What exactly are you asking? Never mind I misread and didn't pay attention to who you voted for. I thought you were super frustrated at the Vivax switch. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 06 2014 11:51 Eden1892 wrote: eh I guess it depends on Haru's flip really so I'm not putting much stock into it, but on balance I think scum are much more likely to follow a move at EOD rather than start one. path of least resistance and all and I know that can be subverted, hence the "on balance" aspect re: whether Cav would let us know, I feel like he would yeah. just putting myself in my scum slippers for a minute, if I'm in the thread at EOD and there's a serious push to lynch someone I know will flip town, I'm certainly not gonna flip willy-nilly, I'm gonna make it look like I'm struggling to figure it out tbh I'm more interested in two things besides him moving to Vivax: 1) the pointed refusal to take any responsibility for where the thread is going by pushing for a particular lynch with anything resembling a credible case 2) the fact that it took for-fucking-ever for him to even put a vote down and show people where he stood before the end Eh, I think scum is more likely not to make a big deal and go with the flow because making a big deal draws attention. Nobody is going to go back and say 'well look at how hesitant he was to vote for a townie, surely he couldn't be scum.' I think #2 is more incriminating than #1. There are plenty of people who have just gone with thread sentiment or never bothered to push cases in the game thus far. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On August 06 2014 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh, I think scum is more likely not to make a big deal and go with the flow because making a big deal draws attention. Nobody is going to go back and say 'well look at how hesitant he was to vote for a townie, surely he couldn't be scum.' I think #2 is more incriminating than #1. There are plenty of people who have just gone with thread sentiment or never bothered to push cases in the game thus far. they wouldn't say that, but you don't think the opposite of that is something people would say? "look at how quickly he parked a vote on a townie, that's pretty sketchy" especially after not voting all day and yeah I know that's why this game is so hard rofl. but that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't start lynching people out of that group either | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 06 2014 12:07 Eden1892 wrote: they wouldn't say that, but you don't think the opposite of that is something people would say? "look at how quickly he parked a vote on a townie, that's pretty sketchy" especially after not voting all day and yeah I know that's why this game is so hard rofl. but that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't start lynching people out of that group either Honestly, no. In my experience especially in regards to shenannies like this, a lot of the time people don't think twice because there's something forceful about that last-minute vote-switch pull and townies will almost always get dragged into it. When I read that marv was switching his vote to Vivax I immediately knew that he was going to be lynched. It's how these things tend to go. I don't know if that's a marv thing specifically or not, but I do feel like marv is often involved. I should go back and look at Shadow Game. I don't think it was Marv who started the D1 shenannies there though but he did go along with them. Maybe that's a bad example. bleh. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 06 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Never mind I misread and didn't pay attention to who you voted for. I thought you were super frustrated at the Vivax switch. In any case, who is next for you then, GK? This is all the time I've got to talk until tomorrow evening so let's try and have a discussion? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On August 06 2014 10:55 Eden1892 wrote: BRB quitting job so I never miss EOD again smh why Its okay Eden we just get goobly tomorrow. That Haru wagon might have been right but that CFD onto vivax was just bad :/ | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
Nevermind. | ||
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