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Eden I think you were next in regards to things outstanding:
On August 04 2014 15:57 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 15:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll accept the final point, though I don't believe you aren't asking just to ask, because you didn't even know who you were asking about when you did at first.
Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.
Though if they were both scum that might be interesting too. no, I knew it was Haru; I phrased it like I didn't because I find people tend to be more eager to oblige me that way if they really believe someone is scum, since they want to convince me of their read and... what? he's not hard defending you. he said that your earlier stiff play could be the result of not playing for a while and that he reads you null for stiff play. furthermore this stance has been consistent, so how did he ever "grab an out"? my main problem right now is that this read seems really superficial to me. you have to assume haru is mafia for this to make sense, and it writes off the very reasonable alternative that he's town and (imo) the better explanation for his behavior. this wouldn't be a problem, as many players good and bad struggle with giving non-superficial reads sometimes, especially early in the game. but then you turn right around with this: Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 15:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one. So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown. On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia. I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early? Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game. Could say the same of you. I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov. which imo was a good job reading into vivax past the most obvious conclusion. so you're clearly capable of reading into a post and recognizing a superior but non-obvious conclusion... yet you're not doing this with haru? and then at the end there's this throwaway comment about haru and goodkarma being scum. do you intend to follow up on this at all? what makes you think they might both be scum and if it's so interesting why just leave it hanging?
Not sure why I didn't respond to this in the first place to be honest...maybe I went to bed?
Ultimately it seems your main problem with me is the same as Vivax, that I don't consider towny perspectives in my read of Haru? (I don't see how that's true considering you've been spouting all game about how 'manufactured' my posts are, which again is horseshit) It could be possible that I didn't give Haru a fair shot at considering both perspectives but I don't see at all how you can say that the towny perspective is the more likely explanation for his behaviour at all. Why does the non-obvious conclusion have to be the superior one necessarily? There are things in haru's play that jump out and shout 'SCUM' in my face, and some other ones that don't, but ultimately the scummy ones win out, hence my scumread. That's how the game of mafia is played.
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What's wrong with him voting early?
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On August 05 2014 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What's wrong with him voting early?
Aimed at Poofter.
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Agreeing with cav again
Poofter why is your play so shit this game?
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On August 04 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Kush I don't understand, I've said that if marv allows me to get lynched he's scum because he knows how to read me and has enough thread pull to prevent such a thing. I agree with him that I haven't tried so I can't fault him for that. I don't understand your issue.
marv is one vote this logic sucks.
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On August 04 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote:
in any game mafia want to look really townie. the point of the game is that it's hard and therefore they get caught.
Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb.
In a non-game related way I disagree with this.
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On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.
Agree with this disagree with Kushm2sta's point before this about townies not playing well. I hope I die n1.
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On August 05 2014 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What's wrong with him voting early?
He usually waits to vote. I yelled at him about it in storm but he found a mafia so I decided I guess it works for him. Here he votes like 4th post out of the gate must have been the first time he read the thread. I don't like it.
still reading.
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On August 05 2014 11:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Agreeing with cav again
Poofter why is your play so shit this game?
My play is normally good? I think I'm pretty bad at forum mafia tbh.
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On August 05 2014 10:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 10:32 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment.
As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact.
Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example? I actually can't recall a game where you haven't thought I'm scum. You must really really hate my playstyle... I've told you exactly how I've read Haru. How a person comes off towny is a semi-subjective thing. Generally when a person curses and screams at their tunneler in the way Haru did it's a town response. It's not a foolproof read by any means, but reads of this ilk have historically served me well. If you're a skeptic, just go with my latter reason (he easily could have just made a scumread up). It's totally valid here. Haru isn't a good lynch today. And saying you don't know who you want to lynch when the thread's already ~40 pages, and the day's half gone is pretty weak. If you were forced to choose now, who would it be? This question really isn't that hard. I would be lying if I said I had no scumreads. I'm simply not confident into them yet. Still in the process of deciding on you and WoS, and that's evident, so don't call my play "weak" just cause I don't go guns blazing on you guys, which is something you should actually value if you are town, since I give myself space for reconsideration. Implying I'm doing something scummy with what I'm doing in your regards isn't something I would expect from a townie in your position to be honest. You see this guy talking to his persons of interest, but not dead set on lynching them, and the first thing coming to your mind is that the play is "weak"?
There's something to be said for still deciding, but there's also something to be said for sticking to safe stances. You haven't outright accused me of being scum, so I'm going to just assume you think I'm town.
On August 05 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Btw what's the super scummy stuff you talk about in regard to Haru, when I look at your filter I see you in conversation with him and when I asked you, you said you found it a bit odd what he was doing.
Not really a post where you showcase A to B how what he was doing was super scummy so if you really feel that way it might be a good time to display what it is.
I've just told you Haru's probably town. Not wasting my time discussing this with you, as if it wasn't already obvious.
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On August 04 2014 23:21 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 13:08 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 13:01 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 12:58 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote:
I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?" Idk, if I was scum I would definitely sit back and think of how to play this game. So I would wanna check how these people who never posted yet on how they open up. Too stiff = skummer. So has anyone in the thread met this criterion of yours yet? Didn't you say Wave was stiff??? On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote:
I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Assuming you weren't just pulling names out of a hat, is there a particular reason for listing these three? You got a OMGUS they're attacking me therefore they're scum kinda thing going, or is there more to it than that? Care to elaborate? Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1. Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have. Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum. Hmmm gobble An answer you're not satisfied with =/= no answer. I have never played a game requiring 4+ (this is alot for me) mislynches for scum to win. Therefore, I'll shift my focus to see if its possible that there is scum amongst the 3 people I have noticed. If everyone (like you) is townreading them, they're potentially going to go far. Its highly likely for scum to hide with them and ascend to later games off initial townreads.
This reads to me like you're mad you have to do so well to win  I like you being on my kill list.
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On August 05 2014 11:17 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What's wrong with him voting early? He usually waits to vote. I yelled at him about it in storm but he found a mafia so I decided I guess it works for him. Here he votes like 4th post out of the gate must have been the first time he read the thread. I don't like it. still reading.
So you have an example of him doing this as town, and catching mafia, so he does it again and you think he's mafia?
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On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently. I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked? I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it.
Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise.
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On August 05 2014 11:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 11:17 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 05 2014 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What's wrong with him voting early? He usually waits to vote. I yelled at him about it in storm but he found a mafia so I decided I guess it works for him. Here he votes like 4th post out of the gate must have been the first time he read the thread. I don't like it. still reading. So you have an example of him doing this as town, and catching mafia, so he does it again and you think he's mafia?
As town he waited to vote I yelled at him for waiting cause I think its silly. He lynched mafia so I thoguht "Well guess it works for marv" this game he comes out and votes instantly NOT something I've seen him do as town so I think its odd. I've never seen marv as mafia but I'm scared of it.
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On August 05 2014 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
lol. As if? You threw out a townread on someone I already townread and then you gave a random mafia read on Obi that you kinda backed down from.
Also I am like 2 billion percent town right now.
You're bad at math. This seems like something Robik would say too.
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On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently. I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked? I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it. Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise.
Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work.
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Oh, okay, I thought you said something completely different. Nevermind then.
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Also, a bunch of people are calling me mafia and not a whole lot of people are pressuring me. Like, for a near universal scumread I'm being left alone kind of a lot. I find that really strange.
I know Eden is trying to pressure me, but he can't read so I don't trust him to do anything with that.
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On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently. I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked? I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it. Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise. Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work.
I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic.
Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring.
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On August 05 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently. I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked? I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it. Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise. Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work. I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic. Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring.
I haven't been around all that much.
Also as far as scumreadS go, I only have the one right now, and I recently posted about him. Care to comment as it seems you and I have differing opinions?
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