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On August 10 2014 21:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Agree on obi. I've got:
Sure Town: Eden, Holyflare, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
Not-Sure Town: goodkarma, HaruRH, WaveofShadow
Probably Not Town: gobbledydook, Tehpoofter
I'm one townread away from POEing the game whooooo
Y'all seem pretty sure on goodkarma, too. Someone give me a reason why? I don't do meta
Without meta it will be hard to show you because he is so lurky.
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Fine make a meta case I'll take anything
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It would really be easiest if you just take a look at showdown mafia I think. Look at his very short filter and maybe the scum qt also. You will see it.
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Without looking I bet he was active in the scum QT. In melee mini mafia he was pretty inactive itt but bounced a lot of ideas off of me in mason QT
I'll check and see what you mean
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On August 10 2014 22:22 Eden1892 wrote:
Without looking I bet he was active in the scum QT. In melee mini mafia he was pretty inactive itt but bounced a lot of ideas off of me in mason QT
I'll check and see what you mean
OK I looked at one* page of each filter and I see the difference already. I think I'm with y'all here.
*: lolololol there was only one page to look at gg!
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RIGHT I AM ON MY COMP NOW AND SCUM SHOULD CONCEDE BEFORE I PICK OUT 3 NAMES
LETS START WITH GOBBLE
On August 06 2014 16:35 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 14:54 Eden1892 wrote:
OK so I think the Vivax lynch was dumb but town-driven. Here's why.
1. Either we had a mafia wagon out of Haru or gobble on d1, or we didn't.
2. If we had a mafia wagon on d1, that strongly implies to me, from past experience, that the mafia have very weak thread presence. It's not difficult at all to deflect a lynch onto a townie on the first day, before anyone has flipped.
3. If the mafia have a very weak thread presence, then it is significantly unlikely that the Vivax wagon, which was generated very rapidly and effectively on very short notice, is mafia-driven, because if the mafia had the thread presence to generate that wagon that quickly, they would never have had a teammate up for a lynch in the first place.
4. If the Vivax wagon is not mafia-driven, then it is town-driven.
5. If we didn't have a mafia wagon on d1, that strongly implies to me, from past experience and analysis of incentives, that the mafia wouldn't have generated a third wagon. Generating a wagon is a risky venture for mafia because they have to fabricate a case and be public about pushing it, which puts them in the spotlight and forces them to work hard to look townie. Furthermore if they already have two town wagons set up, they're in an ideal spot. Not only do they not stand to gain anything from generating another wagon, they might accidentally cause a shakeup in some of the townies' thought processes with the sudden movement that causes the mafia to lose control of the situation. Mafia very strongly favor a static, not dynamic, game state.
6. If the mafia wouldn't have generated a third wagon (the Vivax wagon), then the Vivax wagon must be town-driven.
7. Regardless of whether or not the Haru and/or gobble wagons are town or mafia, the Vivax wagon is town-driven.
8. Therefore, the Vivax wagon is town-driven.
We need to be looking at people who were hesitant to jump on the Vivax wagon or change anything up. People who jumped on the wagon late in the turn, or people who were around during the last hour or so but didn't move their vote or acknowledge the shift much, are more likely to be mafia than those who got on the Vivax wagon early. From my point of view: I think there was never really enough traction on me to get me lynched, 1)especially since Haru looked scummier than I did. Also from my perspective 2)Haru is scum as I said, so therefore mafia needed an alternative target.
I think marv (who I read town) derped when he started the wagon, but we know that the wagon wouldn't have left the station if not enough people were on board. Here's where the mafia come in, they push the wagon over the critical mass and it causes a massive wreck. I believe there's at least 1 mafia, probably 2 in the vivax train. My guess would be Haru and poofter, in that order of confidence.
Excluding the things in his d1 filter, this 'read/explanation' thingy is a mess.
1) Is this TMI? He explicitly mentioned that I looked more scummy, not 'I am scum' or something definitive, which he did with his big ass weak ass case on me. So, are you already trying to distance yourself from hard pushing me?
2) This doesn't make a single bit of sense. mafia needed a new target, so when marv (who you townread) started the wagon and everyone hopped on board, there was scum there? Are you kidding me? So there is scum amongst the 8 people on board? Nice read there.
3)'I think there was never really enough traction on me to get me lynched' seems like you almost sighed a breath of relief there. If marv decided you need to die on d1, you would have been lynched. Period.
On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote:
I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched.
I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch.
My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. 1)Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to.
After 3 pages of nearly no reads (aside from his hardon for poofter and the sheep on onegu), this was the only 'read' he had.
1) I bet 1 page of non committal stuff is 300% better than 3 pages of non committal stuff.
Outside of these 2 posts, there is really nothing of value in gobble's filter (except his hardon for poofter, which is none of my business)
Remember this statement gobble wrote:
I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch.
Read this shit in your mind and tell me what you think of it.
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Haru apart from the marv thing which is crazy wifom, why should we town read you?
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Also that gobble case isn't so convincing and I'm voting for him
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Also starting to see a townier wave btw although all of these ppl are just browsing through filters and finding scummy things rather than showing they are thinking about the game and know what's what, which is bugging me.
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Also wave why did you do a massive reversal saying now that you can see the towny side of me when you've tunnelled me the entire game calling everything scummy?
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Oh haru you have to answer why you disregard my meta on wave that wasn't really that old at the start of the game but then sheep marv on onegu no questions asked on 8 month old meta
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On August 10 2014 23:43 Holyflare wrote:
Oh haru you have to answer why you disregard my meta on wave that wasn't really that old at the start of the game but then sheep marv on onegu no questions asked on 8 month old meta
Well, if you wanna look at it that way, I have
-disregarded meta case on GK
-disregarded meta case on poofter
-disregarded meta case from onegu to you
-disregarded meta case from marv to onegu
Also, that was so early in the beginning, when your argument is so easy to dispute. While their arguments are mostly based on post counts. (gk/poofter) while onegu/marv is their beef with one another, which I am too lazy to check out (also due to my rl stuff such as excessive partying since it is national day).
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So who do you think is the mafia team? Also, do you think your case on gobbledy can only come from mafia? None of the things you pointed out really look like they do at all? You kind of just call out posts he made and counter the argument he is making (such as 1 page of non committal stuff) but what's the scummy intent behind them?
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On August 10 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
So who do you think is the mafia team? Also, do you think your case on gobbledy can only come from mafia? None of the things you pointed out really look like they do at all? You kind of just call out posts he made and counter the argument he is making (such as 1 page of non committal stuff) but what's the scummy intent behind them?
^ like read what I wrote
This is just a filter dive I am doing on gobble
it all leads to the amazing conclusion where the 3 scummers are busted
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I'd really rather you just made cases on mafia. Especially since i think gobble is mafia and nothing you picked out of his filter are the reasons i am reading him that way. Which kind of implies your total disconnect from the game.
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On August 10 2014 23:56 HaruRH wrote:
it all leads to the amazing conclusion where the 3 scummers are busted
Maybe you could tell us who those 3 scummers are?
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On August 10 2014 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
I'd really rather you just made cases on mafia. Especially since i think gobble is mafia and nothing you picked out of his filter are the reasons i am reading him that way. Which kind of implies your total disconnect from the game.
Uh
More like I read gobble that way. Because those are the things I note?
3 skum:
1 from the 3 initial, who tried to rule the earth (poofter)
2 from the 10 mortals, who tried to hide (gobble,obi/wave)
One lynch to rule them all, One lynch to find them,
One lynch to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mafia where the Scum lie.
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Why them instead of the others? Two others tried to lead, seven others tried to hide.
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Where the fuck is Poofter?
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Yo I notice Poofy scum read Haru all of d1 then "got nervous" about the Haru wagon due to people who were on it (including his scum read Gobble!!) then followed onto it anyway
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