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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 05:45 marvellosity wrote: to expand, i don't feel like Haru is the kind of player to back down from his perch like that. hrg. he's not, and if he would do it as any one alignment, it would be as scum | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
##UNVOTE: ObiWanShinobi ##VOTE: HaruRH | ||
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Eden1892
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why did you stop returning my calls you won't even open my texts the quicktopic is so lonely | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Simple: if that townie is an idiot. Is Haru an idiot? no | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 06:45 LoneMeow wrote: Counting of votes: Artanis[Xp] (1): gobbledydook (2): Vivax, Eden1892 (0): Vivax (2): Tehpoofter (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): HaruRH (7): WaveofShadow (0): marvellosity (0): Not voting (1): ObiWanShinobi With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: Eden1892 voted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted Marvellosity (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted Wave (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted WoS (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted WaveofShadow (post) ERROR: kushm4sta voted invalid player gg (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Artanis[XP] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: marvellosity changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: HaruRH unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted Artanis [xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: kushm4sta unvoted without vote (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted marv (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted obiwanshinobi (ObiWanShinobi) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted tehpoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Tehpoofter (post) ERROR: Tehpoofter voted invalid player Gooblyzilla (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted artanis[Xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: justanothertownie voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Vivax unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: goodkarma unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Vivax (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted vivax (Vivax) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Haru (HaruRH) (post) underlined: you are kidding me | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I bet he doesn't do anything about this | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 08:04 iamperfection wrote: Night 1 Vivax the Town Member has been lynched until the day post Counting of votes: Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook (2): Vivax, Eden1892 (0): Vivax (8): Tehpoofter (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): HaruRH (3): WaveofShadow (0): marvellosity (0): Not voting (0): With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: Eden1892 voted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted Marvellosity (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted Wave (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted WoS (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted WaveofShadow (post) ERROR: kushm4sta voted invalid player gg (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Artanis[XP] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: marvellosity changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: HaruRH unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted Artanis [xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: kushm4sta unvoted without vote (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted marv (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted obiwanshinobi (ObiWanShinobi) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted tehpoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Tehpoofter (post) ERROR: Tehpoofter voted invalid player Gooblyzilla (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted artanis[Xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: justanothertownie voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Vivax unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: goodkarma unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Vivax (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted vivax (Vivax) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Haru (HaruRH) (post) BRB quitting job so I never miss EOD again smh why | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
not because Vivax was lynched, I'm not gonna be That Donkey that shows up after missing EOD and whines about a last-minute switch being Soooooo Obviously Bad, but because I was sure we had Haru lined up and felt good about it and went to sleep and dreamed of poofter and then woke up and found we didn't lynch Haru after all  | ||
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Eden1892
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I actually think marv looks significantly worse than HF out of those two although I'm not sold on either. I want Cav tomorrow though, I feel pretty good about that case. Did not like his EOD play at all, looked like scum who got caught up in the Chinese fire drill and was having trouble calculating whether switching was a good play. That plus his pointed refusal to be involved in the direction of the thread = good scum case | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 11:34 WaveofShadow wrote: My issue with the 'having trouble calculating' part, is would cav let us know about all the trouble he was having out loud? Also why does marv look worse? I know marv way better than you do I imagine, and I'm interested in what you got out of his play. eh I guess it depends on Haru's flip really so I'm not putting much stock into it, but on balance I think scum are much more likely to follow a move at EOD rather than start one. path of least resistance and all and I know that can be subverted, hence the "on balance" aspect re: whether Cav would let us know, I feel like he would yeah. just putting myself in my scum slippers for a minute, if I'm in the thread at EOD and there's a serious push to lynch someone I know will flip town, I'm certainly not gonna flip willy-nilly, I'm gonna make it look like I'm struggling to figure it out tbh I'm more interested in two things besides him moving to Vivax: 1) the pointed refusal to take any responsibility for where the thread is going by pushing for a particular lynch with anything resembling a credible case 2) the fact that it took for-fucking-ever for him to even put a vote down and show people where he stood before the end | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh, I think scum is more likely not to make a big deal and go with the flow because making a big deal draws attention. Nobody is going to go back and say 'well look at how hesitant he was to vote for a townie, surely he couldn't be scum.' I think #2 is more incriminating than #1. There are plenty of people who have just gone with thread sentiment or never bothered to push cases in the game thus far. they wouldn't say that, but you don't think the opposite of that is something people would say? "look at how quickly he parked a vote on a townie, that's pretty sketchy" especially after not voting all day and yeah I know that's why this game is so hard rofl. but that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't start lynching people out of that group either | ||
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Eden1892
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i thought the vivax lynch made marv look significantly worse than hf because pre-edit: lol i did here you go, i just didn't use any names so it didn't make any sense eh I guess it depends on Haru's flip really so I'm not putting much stock into it, but on balance I think scum are much more likely to follow a move at EOD rather than start one. path of least resistance and all and I know that can be subverted, hence the "on balance" aspect basically marv was sitting around watching for someone to sheep almost, reading eod. he seemed lost which is really out-of-character for him imo. i can understand it to an extent, but i didn't really feel like vivax made sense and... i dunno it just looked convenient to hop on hyperconfident holyflare's lynch i almost never scumread people who drive a new wagon at EOD unless the original wagon flips scum, i'm sure one day someone clever like onceking will burn me for it but until it happens i've literally never seen scum drum up a town bandwagon at eod to counter another town wagon WITH ALL THAT SAID i'm likely tinfoiling if i seriously consider the idea of either of them being scum right now, i would guess this is a moot question because they get n1'd and n2'd | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 12:25 Tehpoofter wrote: Its okay Eden we just get goobly tomorrow. That Haru wagon might have been right but that CFD onto vivax was just bad :/ bby dont leave like that. also do you think we had two scum wagons? that sounds like the implication in your post, which is... interesting, i have to think about what that implies about the vivax cfd | ||
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Eden1892
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what's a hard scum read? === post coming up about EOD now that i've thought more about it, conclusions likely to be different from those implied in previous posts, standby | ||
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Eden1892
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1. Either we had a mafia wagon out of Haru or gobble on d1, or we didn't. 2. If we had a mafia wagon on d1, that strongly implies to me, from past experience, that the mafia have very weak thread presence. It's not difficult at all to deflect a lynch onto a townie on the first day, before anyone has flipped. 3. If the mafia have a very weak thread presence, then it is significantly unlikely that the Vivax wagon, which was generated very rapidly and effectively on very short notice, is mafia-driven, because if the mafia had the thread presence to generate that wagon that quickly, they would never have had a teammate up for a lynch in the first place. 4. If the Vivax wagon is not mafia-driven, then it is town-driven. 5. If we didn't have a mafia wagon on d1, that strongly implies to me, from past experience and analysis of incentives, that the mafia wouldn't have generated a third wagon. Generating a wagon is a risky venture for mafia because they have to fabricate a case and be public about pushing it, which puts them in the spotlight and forces them to work hard to look townie. Furthermore if they already have two town wagons set up, they're in an ideal spot. Not only do they not stand to gain anything from generating another wagon, they might accidentally cause a shakeup in some of the townies' thought processes with the sudden movement that causes the mafia to lose control of the situation. Mafia very strongly favor a static, not dynamic, game state. 6. If the mafia wouldn't have generated a third wagon (the Vivax wagon), then the Vivax wagon must be town-driven. 7. Regardless of whether or not the Haru and/or gobble wagons are town or mafia, the Vivax wagon is town-driven. 8. Therefore, the Vivax wagon is town-driven. We need to be looking at people who were hesitant to jump on the Vivax wagon or change anything up. People who jumped on the wagon late in the turn, or people who were around during the last hour or so but didn't move their vote or acknowledge the shift much, are more likely to be mafia than those who got on the Vivax wagon early. | ||
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Eden1892
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I know there wasn't much of a case on Vivax, I've already called the lynch dumb a few times, but it doesn't matter to me if it's dumb or not. People fuck up and shit happens. What matters is making sure it was, in fact, a shit-happens fuck up and not deliberate sabotage - that is, town-driven vs scum-driven. Your second paragraph literally doesn't even address my argument lol. It was going to take us days to sort out Haru and gobble and what the mafia was trying to do d1 anyway. All the Vivax wagon did is delay their flips a day at worst (if we decide they're still scummy enough to kill). I don't really see how the Vivax wagon generated a lot of confusion. It just added another puzzle to solve, a puzzle whose solution's skeleton I've already been gracious enough to provide. I bet I can get a lot of useful info out of it before you and your boys n1 me. | ||
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