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Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread.
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On July 30 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. You were the first one to post after four hours (not including me), great job. Now who do you think is mafia and why?
Hi Teemu.
meat - top town or tt for short
banks - town lover
jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil
666 - definitely evil
wade - using some pressure
cya - too cautious
tea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love)
gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info
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On July 30 2014 19:40 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. You were the first one to post after four hours (not including me), great job. Now who do you think is mafia and why? Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short
banks - town lover
jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil
666 - definitely evil
wade - using some pressure
cya - too cautioustea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love)
gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info
Have you caught up with everything right now?
I'm about 2/3 the way through.
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On July 30 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 19:45 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:40 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. You were the first one to post after four hours (not including me), great job. Now who do you think is mafia and why? Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short
banks - town lover
jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil
666 - definitely evil
wade - using some pressure
cya - too cautioustea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love)
gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info
Have you caught up with everything right now? I'm about 2/3 the way through. Explains why you're reading me scum, I guess. Could you explain why you're reading Banks as town. On 666 or Seeyalater I don't know what your read is, mafia or town? Also is your read on GB a joke?
What do you think of my town reads Jen and Banks?
Banks is doing what townies do. Posting reads and pushing for scum.
I'm up to the part where GB makes a case.
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On July 30 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 19:58 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:45 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:40 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. You were the first one to post after four hours (not including me), great job. Now who do you think is mafia and why? Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short
banks - town lover
jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil
666 - definitely evil
wade - using some pressure
cya - too cautioustea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love)
gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info
Have you caught up with everything right now? I'm about 2/3 the way through. Explains why you're reading me scum, I guess. Could you explain why you're reading Banks as town. On 666 or Seeyalater I don't know what your read is, mafia or town? Also is your read on GB a joke? What do you think of my town reads Jen and Banks? Banks is doing what townies do. Posting reads and pushing for scum. I'm up to the part where GB makes a case. Banks is posting reads, yes, but I don't think he has pushed scum too well, I posted about this recently. Not much to think of you townreading Jenny, everyone kind of is so there's not too much information there (especially since you don't substantiate much).
Its still kind of early. Are you part of 'everyone' who town reads Jen?
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@Teemu Have you read GB's case yet? If you have I guess you don't buy it?
@Jenny Good Morning! I'm still catching up too.
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Hey guys just woke up. I have to go to school but I'll be back several hours before the deadline.
Right now I would vote Tea as top scum. I like Jenny's assessment that his posts are lacking in content. I think he is too deliberately hard to read. Also, he's not giving much out on his own reads.
##Vote: Teemuru
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Hey guys I'm back. Anyone want to talk?
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You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy?
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On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you
Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem*
Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon.
On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town.
666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option.
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On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him.
On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today.
This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him.
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On July 31 2014 14:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:One final edit: Show nested quote +NVM forgot I had a dom4 turn to finish lol. Must script my armies of blood-sacrificing NORSE elves and werewolves to murder the undead hordes of the Romans, and gay Greek hoplites. Also Spanish Inquisition. That's an important point I missed.
Lol. And I have less time this game. EOD is 12 midnight my time, which is convenient. As weird as is sounds I might be asleep by then because I have some 8am starts during the week.
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On July 31 2014 14:03 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. Alright, interesting but do you think cya or 666 are scum? I think a bunch of us forgot him too in some past posts so eh, it's not necessarily a tell I would say.
On July 30 2014 11:51 DCLXVI wrote:After reading through Teemursus filter several times I understand the suspicion on him. He has not posted any opinions on anyone so far other than a soft push at Glowingbear and what seems to be a suspicion on seeyalater Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:39 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 05:30 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 05:18 Teemursu wrote:
Yessssssss, finally hit legend in HS with rank 1663 and Captain only has 2593. Had to immortalize this somewhere. Didn't you say you were going to bed? How odd... On July 30 2014 05:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far.
Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. I think you're mafia for not calling anyone mafia. He starts off the day spammy, stopping once GlowingBear starts the real game. Perhaps he wanted to delay that as long as possible? Just a guess. However, later on he posts this after a long conversation with GlowingBear: Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:50 Teemursu wrote:
Nothing, really. It's just scum-indicative to ask questions and not follow them up with anything. I was seeing if you were trying to figure out the game thus far and, I'm okay with this post.
The next two people he talks to he asks short one line questions that he doesn't really follow up on. He does ask another question to seeyalater as a 'followup' but it is really just another question that he responds 'ok, thanks for your answer'. He then goes to bed, and jumps in with a couple more questions. Let us know what you really think of the players Teemursu. You haven't taken a stance on anyone or anything so far. If you are going to tell us Show nested quote + It's just scum-indicative to ask questions and not follow them up with anything and then do just that, I will vote for you. Everyone should take a long look at his filter and tell me if I am wrong, but this is pretty damning. ##Vote Teemursu
This post from 666 speaks to me. I can follow his logic the same way. I think he is town.
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On July 31 2014 14:13 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:07 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:03 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. Alright, interesting but do you think cya or 666 are scum? I think a bunch of us forgot him too in some past posts so eh, it's not necessarily a tell I would say. On July 30 2014 11:51 DCLXVI wrote:After reading through Teemursus filter several times I understand the suspicion on him. He has not posted any opinions on anyone so far other than a soft push at Glowingbear and what seems to be a suspicion on seeyalater On July 30 2014 05:39 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 05:30 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 05:18 Teemursu wrote:
Yessssssss, finally hit legend in HS with rank 1663 and Captain only has 2593. Had to immortalize this somewhere. Didn't you say you were going to bed? How odd... On July 30 2014 05:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far.
Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. I think you're mafia for not calling anyone mafia. He starts off the day spammy, stopping once GlowingBear starts the real game. Perhaps he wanted to delay that as long as possible? Just a guess. However, later on he posts this after a long conversation with GlowingBear: On July 30 2014 04:50 Teemursu wrote:
Nothing, really. It's just scum-indicative to ask questions and not follow them up with anything. I was seeing if you were trying to figure out the game thus far and, I'm okay with this post.
The next two people he talks to he asks short one line questions that he doesn't really follow up on. He does ask another question to seeyalater as a 'followup' but it is really just another question that he responds 'ok, thanks for your answer'. He then goes to bed, and jumps in with a couple more questions. Let us know what you really think of the players Teemursu. You haven't taken a stance on anyone or anything so far. If you are going to tell us It's just scum-indicative to ask questions and not follow them up with anything and then do just that, I will vote for you. Everyone should take a long look at his filter and tell me if I am wrong, but this is pretty damning. ##Vote Teemursu This post from 666 speaks to me. I can follow his logic the same way. I think he is town. Who we killing then?
I would say Teemu. Most people seem to agree he is some way scummy. (I haven't seen everyone vote behind it though.) I think 666 and cya are both town and I would consolidate between me and Tea.
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On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you.
I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic.
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On July 31 2014 14:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Meatpudding you're dying today
Meatpudding there's no other way
Meatpudding you're getting astray
Meatpudding I hate rhymes.
Things I hate:
1. Rhymes
2. Lists
3. Irony
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On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more.
It's not that nobody bought it
cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228
Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931
Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263
and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459
lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540
The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today.
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On July 31 2014 14:50 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:43 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:36 meatpudding wrote:
You know why I think I shouldn't be lynched, we need to find scum. Do we all consider lilwade to be town now? Why hasn't Jenny voted Teemu when she said he was scummy? You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more. It's not that nobody bought it cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today. Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you putting words in our mouths? How is me prompting Teemu that we need to be able to read him, and that I have a difficult time doing so mean that I bought DC's case against him?
Yeah that was poorly worded by me. I mean that he wasn't the only one to bring up suspicion here. Although I would like you to share your thoughts on Teemu. I don't think he's town.
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On July 31 2014 14:58 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:56 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:50 JennyHell wrote:On July 31 2014 14:43 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:
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Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem*
Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon.
On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town.
666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more. It's not that nobody bought it cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today. Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you putting words in our mouths? How is me prompting Teemu that we need to be able to read him, and that I have a difficult time doing so mean that I bought DC's case against him? Yeah that was poorly worded by me. I mean that he wasn't the only one to bring up suspicion here. Although I would like you to share your thoughts on Teemu. I don't think he's town. You don't need to focus on me, I'm not a lynch today like everyone else already has told you. If you're town focus on someone who you can help getting lynched, so we can get mafia day 1. Ok? Great.
Calm down we are doing it  Who is your top lynch?
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On July 31 2014 15:00 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:56 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:50 JennyHell wrote:On July 31 2014 14:43 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:
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Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem*
Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon.
On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town.
666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more. It's not that nobody bought it cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today. Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you putting words in our mouths? How is me prompting Teemu that we need to be able to read him, and that I have a difficult time doing so mean that I bought DC's case against him? Yeah that was poorly worded by me. I mean that he wasn't the only one to bring up suspicion here. Although I would like you to share your thoughts on Teemu. I don't think he's town. I've said quite a bit about Teemu, and it should still be in my filter. I'd much rather have a bunch of reads from you about people that rehash what I've said for the ~30 hours you haven't been here.
So far I still read you and Banks as town. 666 and cya both read town to me too. I am suspicious of Teemu and GB. Tolk and lilwade are fence.
You and banks have been consistent and i won't change my early reads here. Teemu seems scummy to me through his inert line of questioning and reluctance to push on mafia. GB seems scummy for his too carefully crafted analysis and I think he wants a mislynch. 666 and cya both presents logical cases that I can agree with.
If someone has a case on DC or Teemu I'd like to hear it.
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On July 31 2014 15:01 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 15:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:58 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 14:56 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:50 JennyHell wrote:On July 31 2014 14:43 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:
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This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him.
I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more. It's not that nobody bought it cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today. Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you putting words in our mouths? How is me prompting Teemu that we need to be able to read him, and that I have a difficult time doing so mean that I bought DC's case against him? Yeah that was poorly worded by me. I mean that he wasn't the only one to bring up suspicion here. Although I would like you to share your thoughts on Teemu. I don't think he's town. You don't need to focus on me, I'm not a lynch today like everyone else already has told you. If you're town focus on someone who you can help getting lynched, so we can get mafia day 1. Ok? Great. Calm down we are doing it Who is your top lynch? You or 666.
Why me or 666?
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Anyone can chime in here. How did 666 become most scummy? Are we going for a policy lynch on d1? (one-page filter)... What little he posts seems like town to me. Does anybody have a case besides "he rings scummy"?
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On July 31 2014 15:21 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 15:07 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 15:01 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 15:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:58 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 14:56 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:50 JennyHell wrote:Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you putting words in our mouths? How is me prompting Teemu that we need to be able to read him, and that I have a difficult time doing so mean that I bought DC's case against him? Yeah that was poorly worded by me. I mean that he wasn't the only one to bring up suspicion here. Although I would like you to share your thoughts on Teemu. I don't think he's town. You don't need to focus on me, I'm not a lynch today like everyone else already has told you. If you're town focus on someone who you can help getting lynched, so we can get mafia day 1. Ok? Great. Calm down we are doing it Who is your top lynch? You or 666. Why me or 666? You've lurked throughout the whole game until now. When you were posting a bit, you asked a couple of questions and disappeared again without following any of that stuff. Your liszt post was pretty terrible. None of these things make you necessarily mafia, but scummy and impossible to read, especially after you can't give me any viable name to lynch. Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 14:43 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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You do understand that that list you've brought sounds scummy ad that you lurking all the way also sounds scummy, right? You gotta make us believe that there are better options and saying just that isn't helping you Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem* Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon. On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town. 666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more. It's not that nobody bought it cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today. Most of these aren't a reference to any case made by 666. It's like you've just went ahead and find a post by everyone that pushes/questions me the most. There was a decent reason to suspect me early on, when I hadn't done anything, but after I started putting out reads and content, a few people called me town (Banks switched from kill to bang, GB and Tolkien). You keep saying that my posts are misleading and hard to read, but I've clearly taken a stance on people. You also don't provide any evidence, you just kind of repeat the same old and sheep other pushes on me. If I was mafia (and this may sound a little weird to you), why wouldn't I stay with my push on say Seeyalater, like I did in the previous newbie game with you , and just get an easy miss lynch? 666 because I'm sheeping Banks. Your case on GB is so bad as well, none of the things you said about him make mafia, if anything, more town.
This is scummy logic. You know I'm not the only lurker and now I'm posting more. And you have probably the most posts yet you sheep Banks because you can't give a viable name to lynch. So you should have some idea by now? You are pretty quick to throw out town reads though.
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On July 31 2014 15:27 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 15:20 meatpudding wrote:
Anyone can chime in here. How did 666 become most scummy? Are we going for a policy lynch on d1? (one-page filter)... What little he posts seems like town to me. Does anybody have a case besides "he rings scummy"? Can you stop asking questions and give more substantiated reads? Asking these questions is not going to help you to not get lynched. You're wrong on me today, accept it for at least today, you can re-evaluate me later.
That wasn't directed to you or anyone specific, but to have a consolidated wagon I would like it to be someone where there is a case against them. I don't actually think 666 is worth lynching so far.
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On July 31 2014 15:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
There has to be a large shift in ideas meat for you or romannumeral not to get lynched. Why on earth don't you go ahead and say something thats going to make a shift like that happen.
Your thing about teemu is bad. The post you linked on who thought he was scummy was all BEFORE romannumeral's case.... like i dont even know what you were trying to say with that.
It's not about the timing, but people seemed to be having the same conclusion to the posting style that was used. In fact roman basically wagons as he references the existing suspicion. My point is that what he said echoes what some people were thinking (right?). I mean Jenny said I was putting words in her mouth but I thought that they had the same idea there. At least I agree with it and between tea and roman i wouldn't pick roman.
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On July 31 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
Meat you need to make a concise point why you and roman numeral aren't mafia. You or him are both on the block and could die.
You have to do loads of work to have this not happen. So tell us why it shouldnt' happen.
Why don't you elaborate why you think he's scum? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22709181 You say he's not pushing when in fact he is. Like yeah he hasn't posted much but I do not get scum from that. I happen to think he is going in the right direction (except voting me) and I think he's town. Would you reevaluate roman when you were once "75% sure" tea was scum?
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On July 31 2014 16:19 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 16:13 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
Meat you need to make a concise point why you and roman numeral aren't mafia. You or him are both on the block and could die.
You have to do loads of work to have this not happen. So tell us why it shouldnt' happen. Why don't you elaborate why you think he's scum? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22709181 You say he's not pushing when in fact he is. Like yeah he hasn't posted much but I do not get scum from that. I happen to think he is going in the right direction (except voting me) and I think he's town. Would you reevaluate roman when you were once "75% sure" tea was scum? I made the 75% number up. I just know he hadnt been playing it was for reactions I never thought he was that mafia tbh. I didn't even get votes on him. But see the thing is that RomanNumeralGuy isn't even trying to get who he thinks is scum lynched (teemu) hes not trying to convince others hes mafia hes not asking for votes. Hes happy with how things go. He just went to sleep thinking you would die. He doesn't care to push any further. HE is being apathetic about scum hunting=mafia.
This still isn't enough to swing my vote. I think apathetic scum hunting could be applied more than one way. At least he put minimal effort in. Maybe I agree with you but do you put top scum based on that alone?
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On July 31 2014 14:47 GlowingBear wrote:Went through cya's filter and I find his posts not so bad, although with lots of fluff. I'd say I'm on the fence regarding him. And for the case I've brought, I believe the reasoning I've brought was okay. It was okay to think they could be mafia by the posts I've quoted. I thought it was a good idea to push them so we could gather more information. But formatting it like a case may have been a bad idea. It was still the best push I saw at that moment. Teemu, I was going to filter dive you but you have 6 pages and it's almost 3am here. I have a really important exam tomorrow. I'll do it later. Don't be mad
I think you are not treating your push on me as seriously as you did here. I think that you are too busy trying to attack me and not trying to read me. You asked me a lot when I came back, what did you learn from that? You're willing to move off cya too easily I think. What are your thoughts on Jenny now? Who are your new scum reads?
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On July 31 2014 16:30 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 16:23 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 16:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 16:13 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
Meat you need to make a concise point why you and roman numeral aren't mafia. You or him are both on the block and could die.
You have to do loads of work to have this not happen. So tell us why it shouldnt' happen. Why don't you elaborate why you think he's scum? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22709181 You say he's not pushing when in fact he is. Like yeah he hasn't posted much but I do not get scum from that. I happen to think he is going in the right direction (except voting me) and I think he's town. Would you reevaluate roman when you were once "75% sure" tea was scum? I made the 75% number up. I just know he hadnt been playing it was for reactions I never thought he was that mafia tbh. I didn't even get votes on him. But see the thing is that RomanNumeralGuy isn't even trying to get who he thinks is scum lynched (teemu) hes not trying to convince others hes mafia hes not asking for votes. Hes happy with how things go. He just went to sleep thinking you would die. He doesn't care to push any further. HE is being apathetic about scum hunting=mafia. This still isn't enough to swing my vote. I think apathetic scum hunting could be applied more than one way. At least he put minimal effort in. Maybe I agree with you but do you put top scum based on that alone? Ok, you agree that 666 doesn't really care if I get lynched or not. Assume you're wrong on me, why is 666 town now? If you really really really think I'm mafia and still want to tunnel on me, I want YOU to make a case and not a) repeat that everyone apparently thinks I'm scum/on the fence with me and b) say that you're sheeping 666 and that he's right.
My scum read on you comes from your posting style. Your text:content ratio is ay off. It looks like your trying to misdirect town. A mislynch or wagon is what your looking for. You haven't made any serious claim on mafia. Your lines of questioning resolve without any new insight. I think that you are not playing at all townie.
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On July 31 2014 16:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 16:23 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 16:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 16:13 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
Meat you need to make a concise point why you and roman numeral aren't mafia. You or him are both on the block and could die.
You have to do loads of work to have this not happen. So tell us why it shouldnt' happen. Why don't you elaborate why you think he's scum? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22709181 You say he's not pushing when in fact he is. Like yeah he hasn't posted much but I do not get scum from that. I happen to think he is going in the right direction (except voting me) and I think he's town. Would you reevaluate roman when you were once "75% sure" tea was scum? I made the 75% number up. I just know he hadnt been playing it was for reactions I never thought he was that mafia tbh. I didn't even get votes on him. But see the thing is that RomanNumeralGuy isn't even trying to get who he thinks is scum lynched (teemu) hes not trying to convince others hes mafia hes not asking for votes. Hes happy with how things go. He just went to sleep thinking you would die. He doesn't care to push any further. HE is being apathetic about scum hunting=mafia. This still isn't enough to swing my vote. I think apathetic scum hunting could be applied more than one way. At least he put minimal effort in. Maybe I agree with you but do you put top scum based on that alone? So you think you're more mafia than him..... Look at votes bro. Btw I forgot to say this earlier but I'm town. I wasn't in my reads and I Wanted people who need someone to trust to know thats the case.
I'm really starting to lose faith in you bro. We are going to wagon on 666 when you have so little to claim on him? And Teemu is just sheeping you. This reasoning does not stand with me, and if you can't name another scum I would consider switching my vote from tea to you. Make more sense before leading a potential mislynch.
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On July 31 2014 16:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 16:44 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 16:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 16:23 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 16:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 16:13 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
Meat you need to make a concise point why you and roman numeral aren't mafia. You or him are both on the block and could die.
You have to do loads of work to have this not happen. So tell us why it shouldnt' happen. Why don't you elaborate why you think he's scum? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22709181 You say he's not pushing when in fact he is. Like yeah he hasn't posted much but I do not get scum from that. I happen to think he is going in the right direction (except voting me) and I think he's town. Would you reevaluate roman when you were once "75% sure" tea was scum? I made the 75% number up. I just know he hadnt been playing it was for reactions I never thought he was that mafia tbh. I didn't even get votes on him. But see the thing is that RomanNumeralGuy isn't even trying to get who he thinks is scum lynched (teemu) hes not trying to convince others hes mafia hes not asking for votes. Hes happy with how things go. He just went to sleep thinking you would die. He doesn't care to push any further. HE is being apathetic about scum hunting=mafia. This still isn't enough to swing my vote. I think apathetic scum hunting could be applied more than one way. At least he put minimal effort in. Maybe I agree with you but do you put top scum based on that alone? So you think you're more mafia than him..... Look at votes bro. Btw I forgot to say this earlier but I'm town. I wasn't in my reads and I Wanted people who need someone to trust to know thats the case. I'm really starting to lose faith in you bro. We are going to wagon on 666 when you have so little to claim on him? And Teemu is just sheeping you. This reasoning does not stand with me, and if you can't name another scum I would consider switching my vote from tea to you. Make more sense before leading a potential mislynch. So you think that I'm mafia for consolidating votes onto two people who have equal opportunity to defend themselves?
How sure are you that there is a mafia there? I think based on your short case on roman that you are not very sure. Wouldn't mafia at least pretend to care? I don't see how you are reading town on tea because he has posted a lot more and I see the same scummy vibe in each post.
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On July 31 2014 17:09 Teemursu wrote:
W/e, it doesn't really matter. She's town otherwise in her posting and that post isn't going to make her mafia in any world.
Who do you think is scum then? You can't really be voting me cause I'm inactive and roman to sheep Banks...
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I hope Jenny catches up, I would like to hear her opinion.
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On July 31 2014 17:36 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 17:29 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 17:27 JennyHell wrote:On July 31 2014 17:21 meatpudding wrote:
I hope Jenny catches up, I would like to hear her opinion. I am currently reading, and keeping up. Still waiting for something valid from you. I'd like perhaps a longer post with more thought through and explained reads. If there's someone you really think we should reconsider, making a case might help? do your bang marry kill? Where am I at, eh? For today, my bangs are as follow: GB Seeya Tolkien Teemu My marry is: Poofter/Banks/Hubby/Rhianna/Robin (He's got many wonderful nicknames) My kills are: DC Meatpuppy/pudding whatever the name was lilwade I was asked to re-think lilwade and I've started to doubt my scumread on him due to people convincing me to. He's my least scummiest out of the kills. Do I need to re-tell all my reasons or is the names enough?
The meaning of this depends on if you prefer B or M?
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On July 31 2014 17:43 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 17:11 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 17:09 Teemursu wrote:
W/e, it doesn't really matter. She's town otherwise in her posting and that post isn't going to make her mafia in any world. Who do you think is scum then? You can't really be voting me cause I'm inactive and roman to sheep Banks... If you and 666 are both town, I honestly don't know. I'm not voting on you because you're inactive, I'm voting on you because: Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:
Meat, I think it's pretty scummy that you're not as strong with your opinion as you are with repeating that everyone else thinks what you're trying to make others think right now. I think it was really scummy to make the list, ask a couple of questions and disappear without following them up with anything. You're not really doing anything to defend yourself, while from my perspective it's impossible to read you as town when most of what you've done is Saying I'm mafia for reasons that I would have to find the evidence for. For example, saying that my text:content ratio isn't something you can just quote and refer to, I would have to go ahead and point to my filter as to where my reads, pushes and content is and I'm not doing that extra work to prove to you that I'm "playing townie", since almost everyone here agrees that I shouldn't be the lynch today, and you're not giving me an alternative, really. Your push on GB isn't strong or good. You were basically saying he's mafia for using good and well-thought logic. Ok? I think you also mentioned that he was "too careful" about it, that's where YOU need to prove it and provide EVIDENCE and EXAMPLES. You're doing none of these things and instead, you're just hard defending 666 because of his push on me, while I know I'm town and while even you agree with Banks that he hasn't been adamant about getting me lynched, so why read him as town? You being so stubborn and tunneled on me is how you played the other game as well (you were town), but do you really think there is a way for me to read you as town, IF IF IF, just assume IF I'm town? IF you think there is, you still haven't done anything to prove or show it to us, even after Banks and I are trying to give you the opportunity to defend yourself.
Banks thinks I'm too defensive. You say I'm not defensive enough. I think it's time to throw up some reasonable cases all round. Everyone can point out each others apathy and errors and post limits but I'm only going on each case that I can follow. I would like to present some thoughts that are more organised but I'd like to see some too!
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Jenny, if you love Banks would you even consider banging Roman Numerals?
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On July 31 2014 18:02 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 17:53 meatpudding wrote:
Jenny, if you love Banks would you even consider banging Roman Numerals? That's what you decided to take from it? My list isn't sheeped off of anyone elses reads, I decided to make up my own mind about things, hence I am willing to bang seeya, but Banks isn't. If I felt that DC was acting towny enough for me to read him as town, then yeah I'd bang the shit out of him with no regards to my husband.
I wanted to make sure because he wasn't on your list. Important for me to see where your standing is. What I really wanted to ask is how well do you think of him as a wagon?
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On July 31 2014 18:30 Seeyalater wrote:
If meat was to change his own vote to Clockwork and vote is tied 4-4, what would happen in that case? Asking in case I need to change my vote to stop a tie from happening.
Otherwise I think I'm going to stick with my gut and keep my vote on Meat.
If that happens, whoever had 4 votes first gets lynched.
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Hey guys how's everyone feeling?
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Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week.
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On August 01 2014 15:04 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:02 meatpudding wrote:
Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week. Let's start by you letting us know who the final mafia is. Still me? lawl.
Gw on catching him btw. You only sheeped poof's vote but I'll bang you for that. I have a feeling about my MBK... but right now I'd like to see more from GB and lilwade.
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On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations.
If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up!
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On August 01 2014 15:08 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:02 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:One final edit: NVM forgot I had a dom4 turn to finish lol. Must script my armies of blood-sacrificing NORSE elves and werewolves to murder the undead hordes of the Romans, and gay Greek hoplites. Also Spanish Inquisition. That's an important point I missed. Lol. And I have less time this game. EOD is 12 midnight my time, which is convenient. As weird as is sounds I might be asleep by then because I have some 8am starts during the week. Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:02 meatpudding wrote:
Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week. Why does it sound so weird? Actually, this does sound so weird.
LOL. I said the exact same thing twice. I guess I wasn't sure if I posted it...
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On August 01 2014 15:14 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:12 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations. If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up! Pardon?
Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anyone put forward a good case about 666.
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On August 01 2014 15:37 Teemursu wrote:
inb4 Tolkien is mafia because perfect information.
lel
What, he could even predict that GB would switch with or without him? Hm...
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On August 01 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:17 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:14 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 15:12 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations. If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up! Pardon? Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anyone put forward a good case about 666. Why are you stuck on there not being a long post of why 666 was mafia? It's like, do you need a justification for why we lynched 666 and because you don't see one, it was unrightly for us to lynch him or something? There was a lot of suspicion on him because of he did scummy things and Banks (and I think lilwayne) called him out on them, in addition, he was very inactive. He was one of the better lynch candidates, and say, we just happened to be lucky and hit on mafia. Why do you now sound like you have a problem with that?
I think it's important like who was pushing it and who was indecisive? And then among those who pushed it what here they trying to say. Jenny for example feels a little less towny because she didn't argue as well as she had shown earlier.
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On August 01 2014 16:02 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 15:17 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:14 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 15:12 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations. If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up! Pardon? Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anyone put forward a good case about 666. Why are you stuck on there not being a long post of why 666 was mafia? It's like, do you need a justification for why we lynched 666 and because you don't see one, it was unrightly for us to lynch him or something? There was a lot of suspicion on him because of he did scummy things and Banks (and I think lilwayne) called him out on them, in addition, he was very inactive. He was one of the better lynch candidates, and say, we just happened to be lucky and hit on mafia. Why do you now sound like you have a problem with that? I think it's important like who was pushing it and who was indecisive? And then among those who pushed it what here they trying to say. Jenny for example feels a little less towny because she didn't argue as well as she had shown earlier. Then you should look at that and work on figuring it out, instead of complaining that there wasn't a case on 666 and that "town should step it up".
Aye aye, captn.
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On August 01 2014 16:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:08 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 18:02 JennyHell wrote:On July 31 2014 17:53 meatpudding wrote:
Jenny, if you love Banks would you even consider banging Roman Numerals? That's what you decided to take from it? My list isn't sheeped off of anyone elses reads, I decided to make up my own mind about things, hence I am willing to bang seeya, but Banks isn't. If I felt that DC was acting towny enough for me to read him as town, then yeah I'd bang the shit out of him with no regards to my husband. I wanted to make sure because he wasn't on your list. Important for me to see where your standing is. What I really wanted to ask is how well do you think of him as a wagon? Meat, I want you to have some followup on this interaction. You asked a bunch of questions and disappeared EOD when you could've possibly get lynched. Why is/was Jenny's read on 666 so important to you?
This was all because I couldn't trust Banks' assessment alone. I was looking for someone who was here to make some insight. There was a swing in voting before the wagon settled on numbers.
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Here's my M/B/K and where I'm starting from d2.
To be declared a union under holy matrimony
Banks - The most espoused in town. His vote critical to the lynch. The only way he's mafia is if he's trying to solo the game. (Sure I wouldn't rule it out)
Make you breakfast
Teemu - 666's case on you makes no sense if you're mafia. Post some reads yourself instead of only arguing what others have posted.
Tolkien - Just another face in the crowd. I would lean town, but I feel it's too early. You've been bumped up for landing the hammer vote.
Just one dance
Jenny - I still feel pretty safe around you but not as much on before. I think your analysis is usually good but it was lacking at the end of d1. If you thought DC was scum you didn't try to argue it.
GB - I think you should be focusing on who's in your town circle before I put you in mine. You're playing a bit inconsistent and when you are serious it seems too serious and mafia contrived.
lilwade - I was a bit cautious on reading you d1. Also you were able to go under the radar for the most part. I think we should get to know each other a little better.
Leave you in a ditch
cya -
On August 01 2014 12:31 Seeyalater wrote:
Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off.
If there was logic behind the clockwork push, I didn't see it. You were there before I dropped off, so anyone had the chance to argue but you didn't. You pushed no case for Numbers Guy and then try and switch focus after the flip. Scum I say.
On July 31 2014 18:17 Seeyalater wrote:
Man, this vote is hard. I honestly can't say I'm a fan of either Clockwork or Meat, but who to hammer before bed.
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On August 01 2014 22:10 Teemursu wrote:
Also, Haru should be modkilled for editing a post.
Haru can;t be modelled, he's a cop.
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Oh good morning. Anyone around? I'll take this question from poofl.
On August 02 2014 06:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
Can you just walk me through your thought process of where you were at when you were making the decision not to vote on someone to survive and what posts you've made that you think I should read you townie from? Who should I be pushing on?
If you have already said these things please do them again. We need to get organized as town and not let mafia coast so proving your towniness is paramount.
You're thinking in reverse. It's about who didn't vote.
Also, reading Teemu's filter make me think it was likely mafia. He posts sead end questions. It would have been more helpful to town to analyse what had gone on up to the events, instead of fake claiming medic and being aggressive without trying to back it up.
I'd be pushing on lilwade, GB and cya today.
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On August 02 2014 11:15 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 11:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're ignoring my reasoning and you still think I'm silly, there's nothing I can do. I hope that if I die you reevaluate your reads I read what you have to say. I want to hear other people talk. I've been talking a lot LIL WAYNE TEEMU SEEYA MEATPROPANE SAY SOMETHING
Banks is going crazy. Too bad you lost your wife mate. I think LT is townies, but luckiest. I don't like Bear's tunnelling on me. There are too many loose ends. I like that you made a case on everyone in the game. Cya and lilwade need to talk more. Teemu I'd deduce is green.
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Hi guys. Good morning.
I'm starting to think seeya might be on track. So for now
##Vote: GlowingBear
I'be been wary of GB for a while. I think there is a tone to your posts, that make me feel you are not going o win with the town.
Tolkien and lilwade, I would be looking at you 2 as well.
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On August 03 2014 06:22 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 06:18 meatpudding wrote:
Hi guys. Good morning.
I'm starting to think seeya might be on track. So for now
##Vote: GlowingBear
I'be been wary of GB for a while. I think there is a tone to your posts, that make me feel you are not going o win with the town.
Tolkien and lilwade, I would be looking at you 2 as well. Is... is that it?
Is ii what?
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On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well....
GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent.
On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666.
On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours.
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On August 03 2014 06:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. MeatProfessor What of GlowingBreads' posts do you find overly logical?
His Jenny-lilwade post D1 was the first clue that made me suspicious. It as interesting but I think as town I would have not been so certain. He;s also made some post detailing his plan d2, but so far has only been tunnelling.
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On August 03 2014 07:05 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. What about the rest of the people alive? If we do lynch and GB and he's not mafia, where do we go from there?
I'm still having a hard time giving a read on lilwade. I would say, there is likely mafia between you and GB. If nothing changes I would hammer you second. Teemu, Banks, LT, they all seem like town to me.
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Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus.
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On August 03 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:01 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. MeatProfessor What of GlowingBreads' posts do you find overly logical? His Jenny-lilwade post D1 was the first clue that made me suspicious. It as interesting but I think as town I would have not been so certain. He;s also made some post detailing his plan d2, but so far has only been tunnelling. Can you link his Jenny-lilwade analysis?
On July 30 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote:.: Short Case - Interaction Between JennyHell and SeeyalaterThis post from Seeyalater caugt my attention: + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.
Still heavily sick with the flu though.
Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far!
Are you his partner Jenny? :o Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution. And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be. + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny? This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment? Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town. Kinda scummy. If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer. If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance? Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding. It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it. Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction. + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny? This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment? Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town. Kinda scummy. If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer. If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance? Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding. It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it. Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again. Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny: + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 05:07 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:56 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.
Still heavily sick with the flu though.
Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o I really really like that you're giving reads, but I dislike the bolded. I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment. Do you know which post made him get this read?: + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny? This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment? Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town. Kinda scummy. If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer. If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance? Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding. It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it. Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. Sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you seem scummy. I was merely pointing out a flaw that I saw in the question he asked me. It really had nothing to do with you, just brought you in as a way to explain the way I viewed it. What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone? Do you get how odd this is? Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny! + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 05:01 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.
Still heavily sick with the flu though.
Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o Lol wait. How can you not be calling him mafia or anything if you're saying he is your top scum read? My guess, he starts off reading everyone as town, trying to figure out who is scummy enough to be mafia. So he's saying they're leaning mafia, or the things they said are questionable for a town. Personally I start reading everyone as mafia, and see who proves to me they are towny and can be trusted enough to be in the town circle with me. But that's just my guess. I could be wrong. More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this. This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two.
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On August 03 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:01 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. MeatProfessor What of GlowingBreads' posts do you find overly logical? His Jenny-lilwade post D1 was the first clue that made me suspicious. It as interesting but I think as town I would have not been so certain. He;s also made some post detailing his plan d2, but so far has only been tunnelling. Can you link his Jenny-lilwade analysis?
OOps I completely wrote the wrone name.
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On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing"
So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely?
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On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case.
I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning.
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On August 03 2014 07:16 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:09 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:05 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. What about the rest of the people alive? If we do lynch and GB and he's not mafia, where do we go from there? I'm still having a hard time giving a read on lilwade. I would say, there is likely mafia between you and GB. If nothing changes I would hammer you second. Teemu, Banks, LT, they all seem like town to me. I agree MeatPounder We need to hear more from lilwayne. What makes you think seeyalater could be mafia as well? Can you make a case?
This is just a random collection of thoughts on cya. I would have voted him but right now I think we are getting somewhere. Let's see.
Cya's first list post did not contain anything for 666. This could be a clue but I'm not going to read into it.
His response to GB's post reflects what I was thinking at the time. He also pushes on teemu d1 so I was considering him very town at this point.
He wants to policy lynch lurkers d1, but gives LT a free town pass.
Saying he is too indecisive when it comes to voting on numbers guy.
After the hammer he is saying how obvious it was to town that numbers was scum. I think to me it wasn't obvious, just lucky, if there was such a solid argument for the lynch you should have voted with it but you didn't.
I like that he is posting lots but I don't see his argument going anywhere. He is more than happy to tunnel and take an easy lynch d2. I think he is giving town reads a little to quickly and if he were really scum hunting he could have posted more of a case by now (instead of lynch all lurkers lol).
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On August 03 2014 07:49 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I was gonna say, my coworker saw me being visually frustrated trying to figure out what he was trying to say. LOL So does that mean you view me and teemu as less scummy than the people who voted for Clock?
If that was a question for me, then no. I don't think anyone is more scummy for voting. I could see the case where mafia voted on me, but it is also possible that they voted on numbers guy too. But what is the reason they voted there? To try to bus when they may not have needed to?
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On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks.
In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw?
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On August 03 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
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Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks. In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw? Those not on the wagon are likely partners. Myself/Jenny/Lilwayne likely town for being on the wagon early and not getting off it when we all could have. Teemu/seeya staying on you is bad because as amfai they would be hoping that you get lynched (assuming MeatPasta is town here) over their partner. GlowingBoard Moving off MeatPine at the end when the vote was pretty much decided, the 4 on the wagon were locked in on him and he got to 4 first. So this extra vote might have been a chance to steal some town cred knowing what RNG would flip. ^^Those are all reasonable conclusions from the vote counts. Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth. The facts are what matter so if you did it. I might not have noticed but that doesn't mean it didnt happen. You might be telling the truth you might not i don't know. I'm going to toss out my full Bang Marry Kill here in a moment. Your list doesn't matter. You're still killing a townie and making it easier to mafia to win the game. Just re read my filter day one and meatpudding's filter day2 and see who you find more scum. See who was pushing people to them it and who was doing almost nothing to win the game. The posts are there and you're betting on the wrong guy.
GB are you bothered about dying today? If there is a d3 who would look more scummy for pressuring you?
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On August 03 2014 08:29 Tehpoofter wrote:Teh Bang Teh Marry and Teh Kills Marry - I've decided not to remarry no one is really oozing town like Jenny was (and who could replace her anyways?) so I think I'm fine alone. Bang - Lord Tolkien, Lilwayne, TeemuKill - GlowingBarn, MeatPansy, SeeYa, + Show Spoiler +anyone who claims medic and didn't save Jenny
Tehpoofter you seem depressed. Be brave there are plenty more seals in the ocean.
What's you reason for Teemu green? And is lilwade more green than Teemu? Are you saying seeya is your number 3 red? I am thinking second to GB now.
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On August 03 2014 08:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:
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So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks. In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw? Those not on the wagon are likely partners. Myself/Jenny/Lilwayne likely town for being on the wagon early and not getting off it when we all could have. Teemu/seeya staying on you is bad because as amfai they would be hoping that you get lynched (assuming MeatPasta is town here) over their partner. GlowingBoard Moving off MeatPine at the end when the vote was pretty much decided, the 4 on the wagon were locked in on him and he got to 4 first. So this extra vote might have been a chance to steal some town cred knowing what RNG would flip. ^^Those are all reasonable conclusions from the vote counts. Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth. The facts are what matter so if you did it. I might not have noticed but that doesn't mean it didnt happen. You might be telling the truth you might not i don't know. I'm going to toss out my full Bang Marry Kill here in a moment. Your list doesn't matter. You're still killing a townie and making it easier to mafia to win the game. Just re read my filter day one and meatpudding's filter day2 and see who you find more scum. See who was pushing people to them it and who was doing almost nothing to win the game. The posts are there and you're betting on the wrong guy. MeatPython lurked hard all day 1 you made a really bad case on Jenny/seeya and gave like 100 excuses for what your RL was doing. Like I will read it over again but honestly you're not even the one leading the votes and you're freaking out about it. I may switch to MeatPig later in the day but as of now I'm okay seeing what things brings.
That's my favourite one yet.
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On August 03 2014 08:49 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 08:43 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 08:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:
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I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks. In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw? Those not on the wagon are likely partners. Myself/Jenny/Lilwayne likely town for being on the wagon early and not getting off it when we all could have. Teemu/seeya staying on you is bad because as amfai they would be hoping that you get lynched (assuming MeatPasta is town here) over their partner. GlowingBoard Moving off MeatPine at the end when the vote was pretty much decided, the 4 on the wagon were locked in on him and he got to 4 first. So this extra vote might have been a chance to steal some town cred knowing what RNG would flip. ^^Those are all reasonable conclusions from the vote counts. Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth. The facts are what matter so if you did it. I might not have noticed but that doesn't mean it didnt happen. You might be telling the truth you might not i don't know. I'm going to toss out my full Bang Marry Kill here in a moment. Your list doesn't matter. You're still killing a townie and making it easier to mafia to win the game. Just re read my filter day one and meatpudding's filter day2 and see who you find more scum. See who was pushing people to them it and who was doing almost nothing to win the game. The posts are there and you're betting on the wrong guy. MeatPython lurked hard all day 1 you made a really bad case on Jenny/seeya and gave like 100 excuses for what your RL was doing. Like I will read it over again but honestly you're not even the one leading the votes and you're freaking out about it. I may switch to MeatPig later in the day but as of now I'm okay seeing what things brings. That's my favourite one yet. Do I get a MeatPoint? for a good name?
You can have a MeatPat on the Back too.
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Tolkien, what I thought about Banks initially was that he was ok. He was posting in his typical style and giving a waterfall of town posts. So far so good. He pushed a bit on Teemu d1 before switching to me and 666. His rationale on 666 didn't seem particularly strong to me even after he explicitly spelled it out. Now, I didn't follow his reasoning behind the switch but I was willing to take a good chance that he was paying more attention to the game than me so I gave him credit for it. However, we know that numbers guy wasn't particularly active. I am making room for the idea that there is a world where banks was staring down at an empty qt and decided the best strategy was to eliminate his own partner and is now running around free with 6 vt in pocket.
Banks is clearly the most espoused, I think he is on almost everyone's marry list. I haven't seem him as less than a bang.
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And on lilwade, I'm not sure. I don't have a case. I was letting him go under the rader while the focus was on others earlier. Now I don't have a good town read on him either. So I don't know what to think about it.
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On August 03 2014 10:50 lilwade wrote:
Current MBK
Marry- surprisingly Teemu made my marry list this time around. I think he has been more solid, although he needs to wake up again from yesterday
Bang, Poof, still very town to me I like the way he has been playing to this current post.
Bang, Tolkien, posts from being back were definitely solid and I like where he is going.
Glowing bear- I dont know whether you belong on bang or kill. Maybe if you can give me a thought process of where you are at this time I can get a better read on you.
Seeya - You were also leaning kill list for me but I doubt the wagon would switch to you on short notice, I will most definitely read you up and down through the next phase
Meat - Right now I feel like you are getting out of your old self and looking better, sadly I still have you on the bottom of this list. You are more likely than not tied with GB and Seeya so if you want me to get off teh nuts then give me a raisin why.
This is a very typical marriage list to what we have seen so far, with me, cya, gb all hovering around the kill zone. I'm more interested in why you have doubts on seeya. And it's hard to say anything about your reads when the last 3 are tied, you should be more determined if you actually want to rat scum out!
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On August 03 2014 13:13 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 12:54 Lord Tolkien wrote:On August 03 2014 12:47 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia. Where does this gut feeling originate from? do tell From the gut...? It just has felt like me and teemo have been on opposites of the same book. You know how most like, cellphone manuals and stuff, start from one side in 1 language, and a different one on the other side, and the in the middle it stops? I feel like that's how me and Teemu are right now.
All these manuals and I still can't read you. Is there a reason to think that GB isn't mafia? I think you are trying to get too far ahead that you lose focus. If you were scummy I could see you trying to coast it out.
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On August 03 2014 12:47 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia.
It just seems weird that you say you don't know where you're going.
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On August 03 2014 15:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Lololololololol this bachelor party is amaing I can't get drinker than this
Listen, rummy, I'm gonna say it plain and simple Where'd you pinch the hooch? Is some blind tiger jerking suds on the side?
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gg wp both sides. maybe see you in the next newbie game
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